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Title: Shoving Range? Incred (3)hundred DTD Post by: Junior Senior on March 10, 2014, 05:27:00 PM Incredible hundred £20k gtd at DTD yesterday.
19 left, 12 get paid. ~£6K ftw, min cash is ~£400. Avg = ~115K My stack = 61K Blinds = 3k/6K a 500 clock = 30 mins, we are ~ 10 mins into this level I am in the high-jack and we are 9 handed, other table 10 handed. Remaining players are playing pretty snug and tight with the following demographic; a lady (leethefish's missus to be precise), a very old man (Tim Blake to be precise :-) ), a random chinese kid (a random chinese kid to be precise), one of Herbie's mate's from Hull (Carl i think his name is... to be precise) and all but one (the lady) have me covered. I think only the BB (Herbie's mate) may call slightly wider than typical as he's getting a bit annoyed with me shoving on him once per round (ish) What range should i be shoving here unopened? Title: Re: Shoving Range? Incred (3)hundred DTD Post by: Longy on March 10, 2014, 05:34:04 PM Wide, top 50% something like that.
Title: Re: Shoving Range? Incred (3)hundred DTD Post by: DMorgan on March 10, 2014, 05:36:50 PM 67% for me according to pokerstove, could be wrong though
22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,94s+,84s+,74s+,63s+,53s+,43s,A2o+,K2o+,Q4o+,J7o+,T6o+,96o+,86o+,76o Ask Ray Title: Re: Shoving Range? Incred (3)hundred DTD Post by: Junior Senior on March 10, 2014, 05:48:12 PM would we distinguish between online auto-pliot shippage and live situatons? i mean i spent time on describing the demographics and everything.
Title: Re: Shoving Range? Incred (3)hundred DTD Post by: DMorgan on March 10, 2014, 05:50:23 PM With the proximity to the bubble and people generally not calling off so light live I'd be jamming wider here than online
Title: Re: Shoving Range? Incred (3)hundred DTD Post by: nirvana on March 10, 2014, 06:55:30 PM With the proximity to the bubble and people generally not calling off so light live I'd be jamming wider here than online Yep Title: Re: Shoving Range? Incred (3)hundred DTD Post by: strak33 on March 10, 2014, 07:20:34 PM With the proximity to the bubble and people generally not calling off so light live I'd be jamming wider here than online I might go as far as the fake look , shove. Title: Re: Shoving Range? Incred (3)hundred DTD Post by: BorntoBubble on March 10, 2014, 09:02:45 PM With the proximity to the bubble and people generally not calling off so light live I'd be jamming wider here than online Yep Title: Re: Shoving Range? Incred (3)hundred DTD Post by: pleno1 on March 10, 2014, 11:24:27 PM Can we r/f? :p
Title: Re: Shoving Range? Incred (3)hundred DTD Post by: Junior Senior on March 11, 2014, 12:46:25 PM Title: Re: Shoving Range? Incred (3)hundred DTD Post by: theprawnidentity on March 11, 2014, 08:37:42 PM Nash suggests: 22+,A2s+,A7o+,A5o,K6s+,KTo+,Q8s+,QTo+,J8s+,JTo,T8s+,97s+,87s
Obviously this assumes that everyone is calling nash. Giving everyone a calling range of: 66+,ATs+,AJo+,KQs And the bb a calling range of nash (to account for agitated state: 22+,A2s+,A4o+,K8s+,KTo+,QTs+,QJo,JTs Means we can shove: 22+,A2+,K2s+,K6o+,Q2s+,Q8o+,J4s+,J8o+,T6s+,T8o+,95s+,98o,85s+,87o,75s+,64s+,54s If the bb is going to be nittier that this and call: 55+,A5s+,A7o+,KTs+,KQo Then we can shove: 22+,A2+,K2+,Q2+,J2s+,J4o+,T2s+,T6o+,92s+,95o+,82s+,85o+,72s+,75o+,62s+,64o+,52s+,54o,42s+,32s Title: Re: Shoving Range? Incred (3)hundred DTD Post by: Junior Senior on March 11, 2014, 09:22:01 PM Nash suggests: 22+,A2s+,A7o+,A5o,K6s+,KTo+,Q8s+,QTo+,J8s+,JTo,T8s+,97s+,87s Obviously this assumes that everyone is calling nash. Giving everyone a calling range of: 66+,ATs+,AJo+,KQs And the bb a calling range of nash (to account for agitated state: 22+,A2s+,A4o+,K8s+,KTo+,QTs+,QJo,JTs Means we can shove: 22+,A2+,K2s+,K6o+,Q2s+,Q8o+,J4s+,J8o+,T6s+,T8o+,95s+,98o,85s+,87o,75s+,64s+,54s If the bb is going to be nittier that this and call: 55+,A5s+,A7o+,KTs+,KQo Then we can shove: 22+,A2+,K2+,Q2+,J2s+,J4o+,T2s+,T6o+,92s+,95o+,82s+,85o+,72s+,75o+,62s+,64o+,52s+,54o,42s+,32s Thats great. Where can i get the software you use? I think it is so important to accurately and honestly assign calling ranges of all other players to then get the correct shoving range. I actually think you online sng wizards under estimate how tight the calling ranges is of the people in these types of tournaments. Fwiw i shoved A8o and was called otb by QQ although wasnt snapped off. I know the A8o in this spot is deffo a a shove but wondered what thoughts were on how far down the range we should be shoving given proximity to bubble and how tight these guys call and the shallowness of stacks. Average wasnt even 20bbs Title: Re: Shoving Range? Incred (3)hundred DTD Post by: theprawnidentity on March 11, 2014, 09:28:29 PM Tbh I did think my range perhaps was an underestimate but I like to give myself a bit of room for error.
The software I use is ICMIZER which can be found at: http://www.icmpoker.com/icmizer/ (http://www.icmpoker.com/icmizer/) Be aware theres a button at the top to switch between cEV and ICM EV. Title: Re: Shoving Range? Incred (3)hundred DTD Post by: Junior Senior on March 11, 2014, 09:38:31 PM Tbh I did think my range perhaps was an underestimate but I like to give myself a bit of room for error. The software I use is ICMIZER which can be found at: http://www.icmpoker.com/icmizer/ (http://www.icmpoker.com/icmizer/) Be aware theres a button at the top to switch between cEV and ICM EV. Ta. Title: Re: Shoving Range? Incred (3)hundred DTD Post by: wazz on March 12, 2014, 06:46:09 PM With the dynamic as described - assuming we don't have a crazy image - I'm going with top 75% of hands here I think
Title: Re: Shoving Range? Incred (3)hundred DTD Post by: mulhuzz on March 12, 2014, 06:55:29 PM the fact that you didn't get snapped by a pair of queens means you can be very happy about ATC pretty much :)
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