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12 left, 10 paid we are 9/12 and stacks are as follows

174k
144k (Villain 1)
86k (Villain 2)
47k
42k
33k
30k
28k
28k (Hero)
27k
23k
8k

Blinds 1500/3000/300

Six handed, folds to Hero in in HJ/UTG+1

Villain 2 is in the SB and is calling way wider than he should be. Villain 1 is in the BB and has been running 47/27, generally rofling about and is gunna flick in very wide.

What is our jamming range here?

Im really not sure but ima take a punt at AQs TT?

I think wider, 77+ ATo+ possibly KQs

Probably QQ+ for me so many stacks around 10BB dont need to get involved to much and BB sounds like hes gonna call super wide which is no ideal in a sat.

88+ AJ+ was my instinct before reading responses.

Similar here although far from an expert

i'd go with this, or something similar.

Had exact same range in mind. ^^^

Would obv be slightly wider bar these specific reads on the blinds.

All results shown below are based on ICM equity only!


This really depends on how wide the blinds are going to call.  

If they are going to call it off with something like:  22+,A2+,K9s+,KTo+,QJs

Then we have to fold KK.

If they aren't rofling that hard and will call somewhere in the region of:  55+,A8s+,ATo+,KQs

Then we should shove: QQ+,AKs

Basically if they're both calling wider than 16% of hands then we can only shove AA according to ICM.


Not entirely sure this happens IRL though.  I probably shove like AQ+ TT+ here but according to ICM I'm burning money by doing so!!!

If you have a couple of people who are rofling about and calling way too wide you can play hilariously tight. I think even if people are playing correctly then your range should be extra tight still.

Given the poor standard you describe, if I'm 1 tabling then I'm prob folding KK here, would be interested to see what ICMIZER says.

I guess I was in the right ballpark then, I had AJs and folded just wondered what the geneal consensus was. ty Tomsom for the numbers. Was that pulled from ICMIZER?

Like this. Seems super nitty to the eye but think its pretty close.

Think QQ is a bit loose and more I start to think about it KK is really close. If you had just 10k more chips you would (and should) fold aces.

Yeah agreed the type of sat also affects it I think the larger the prize the tighter people will go in my experience it it's say 10 seats to the Sunday million I would say your a lock now but 10 seats to an ept or high scoop or something like that people will happily ( and correctly) fold there way down to 0.0001BB to get that seat

The numbers were pulled from ICMIZER.


This is incorrect.  As the big stacks already have their seat locked up they should be calling really tight.  I can't remember the numbers from earlier but I think if the blinds are calling as they should be (around 4%), then we can jam something like 60%.

Yeah if I'm in the blinds I'm covering my cards and hitting fold pretty much but as can be seen from the stats that is not what these guys are doing!

Can we stick to the hand in OP? We are in EP not sb vs bb that's completely different.

I tried my best to input everything correctly. The first image is using the ranges you've described in OP. The second image is IMO what each person should be pushing/calling correctly.

Can someone tell me if I've put something in wrong, I think I've got it all correct with payouts, av chips and obviously I've made some guesses with who was at the Dan's table out of the available stacks.

(http://imageshack.com/a/img22/6849/3lti.jpg)

EDIT* I forgot to change the CO's open jamming range to AA only (it's set to 2.6%) but I just put it in and it doesn't change anything.

It's saying AA only because everyone has hundreds of BBs in that example

Generally I'd be happy to shove into those stack sizes, but it feels like one of the most important part of sats has been ignored. Seat on the table is pretty important. If we have some of the bigger stacks in the blinds who arent the punters we can just jam there instead.

TY. Not sure ICMIZER can help us with this one, have to use our own brains.

yeah definitely, you can win here wider than AA

although if there really are people still playing for first do we go into auto fold?

Have to remember that ICM only takes into account this hand rather than future hands as well

It also doesn't take into account if your buddy is playing the big blind from the next room.