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In a MTT, i'm in the bb with  4c 4h

I have 3.1k, blinds are 100/200, my stack has yo yo'ed the whole tournie!

The table is 5 handed, UTG plus 1 min raises, Button calls, i'm in the bb and jam. Blinds are going up to 150/300 in 3 minutes, so i'll have 10 bigs there. There is no antes in the game.

Would you jam or fold here?

If it's a fold, what range do you need to be shoving here?

Original raiser has been active. He has 8k chips, button has 5k

call

Don't really like calling to fold80 plus % of flops.

Jam

I think it's actually closer to a call than you think, but personally I'd want a little bit more than we have. I jam too.

I don't like jamming here in a live casino comp because when we get called by the opener, the button is gunna mutter something about 'value' and overcall with a lot of hands with the intention of checking it down imo and small pairs are pretty much the nut low multiway

I originally thought fold but is it only 200 for us to call?

If so call then check fold. Or sometimes call then pretend you are Phil Ivey when the 4 hits. Is your opponent any good? If you rate him a bit then shove.

are there antes?

No Antes

I jammed, original raiser folded, other played called with AJ

very very cleaar call imo. Why do you not want to call and check/fold 80% of flops when you are getting 5.5/1 on the call and only need to win a small cbet on average every time you flop a set to make it profitable

set mine from 15bbs? Not sure I like that. Prefer the jam for the fold equity.
Don't think we are in great shape a lot of the time here though.

We barely have fold equity, what reason do you have for not wanting to peel other than you dont like it?

Anything else is burning money imo

Just calling, most times it's just burning chips imo.

The raiser has been active, and is opening up really wide. That's why i jammed to be fair.

Most times if called i'm prob racing. The guy who called, it was for most of his chips, i defo think he could have folded here, easily.

Reason i posted this up was my friend was saying he has stopped making these moves with low pocket pairs in this type of spot.

Just wondered what everyone else thought, interesting hearing everyones views.

 

Hmm I wouldn't say we have no fold equity.

I don't think we have no fold equity, I expect this to get through a fair bit vs people who aren't sickos vs a cut off open and a button call. Definitely not folding though, feel like that's throwing away money more than anything else. Maybe I'm just too old school for set mining this shallow :p

Understand I didn't give enough reasoning at the time of making my post, gets me when people do that so apologies on that front.
Just think that the +'s of shoving here outweigh the -'s.

On the plus side. Shoving here does give us an amount of Fold Equity(as discussed), we are more likely to get it in V's the parts of there ranges we
are doing well against IE suited connectors, high broadways and all Ax combo's aswel as 22/33. We can take down a 5bb pot right now. If we call the BB is still live.

Plus when we setmine which I believe at this stack depth is just not Mathematically correct(certain you are aware of the probabilities etc)
we can still flop a set and lose. Hindered here by playing the whole pot OOP with very little chance of getting to showdown.

Really not opposed to clicking fold here btw. As long as nobody ever finds out. Misclik innit beany!

hmm actually i only saw UTG+1 opened, didnt realise we were 5 handed so its effectively the CO, think that makes it a lot closer but call >>>>>>>>> fold for sure

Assume its sky mate, is it a bounty hunter? 15bb is loads on sky as there is no antes so I hate shoving as we don't fold out hands we flip v on sky like QJ etc.