Title: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: pleno1 on March 29, 2014, 04:00:25 PM this really bad?
PokerStars Hand #114006040656: Tournament #884078977, $40+$10+$4 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (30/60) - 2014/03/29 16:40:03 CET [2014/03/29 11:40:03 ET] Table '884078977 4' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: RomeOpro (7031 in chips) Seat 2: pads1161 (3590 in chips) Seat 3: jpvr (3595 in chips) Seat 4: Peanut172 (2019 in chips) Seat 5: babbababba (3147 in chips) Seat 6: labirint93 (3439 in chips) Seat 7: Respect4life (2984 in chips) Seat 8: dynoalot (2985 in chips) Seat 9: probirs (1380 in chips) Respect4life: posts small blind 30 dynoalot: posts big blind 60 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to pads1161 [Ac As] probirs: folds RomeOpro: raises 90 to 150 pads1161: calls 150 jpvr: folds Peanut172: folds babbababba: folds labirint93: folds Respect4life: folds dynoalot: calls 90 *** FLOP *** [3d 8c Js] dynoalot: checks RomeOpro: checks pads1161: bets 210 dynoalot: calls 210 RomeOpro: raises 570 to 780 pads1161: folds dynoalot: folds Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: youthnkzR on March 29, 2014, 09:32:35 PM errrrrr.......
Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: Tal on March 29, 2014, 09:51:54 PM Pretty standard hand back when I first started learning the game. No one check-raised without a set. You have to throw those aces away and remember one pair doesn't generally win at showdown. Good fold.
Not sure why you've chosen this moment to show us a hand you played in a £50 freezeout in 2001 though... Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: mulhuzz on March 30, 2014, 02:19:08 AM Not sure if I'm flatting Aces pre I'm planning to fold this board.
Any specific history/are players known? Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: action man on March 30, 2014, 04:04:12 AM beyond bad, can see him taking same line with AJ KJ QQ/KK vs yours and other villains stack sizes. He also has pure air a % of the time, as it coffins a lot. No idea what youre up to here tbh.
Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: SuuPRlim on March 30, 2014, 01:22:00 PM Given he doesn't think you can have AA KK QQ or JJ, your range goes like;
88 33 J8s (prolly just 1 combo if he has a J) As the only hands you can have better than this? So it's a super exploitative fold and you need some good reasons to make super exploitative folds no? Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: pleno1 on March 30, 2014, 02:54:21 PM i think this is the most interesting hand ive ever played.
looking at the hand now, 14 hours later it looks like the clearest all in ever. in game as soon as he raised i instantly thought to myself i was 100% behind. previously i would talk myself into hero calling too wide in spots where i slowplayed aces etc so its very interesting that my brain subconciously reacted like this in game. no idea if it was a case of timing or what but something happened to make my brain say fold, i think i folded in like 3 seconds or something really stupid. v interesting. Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: youthnkzR on March 30, 2014, 05:56:23 PM previously i would talk myself into hero calling too wide in spots where i slowplayed aces etc so its very interesting that my brain subconciously reacted like this in game. Just seems to be an over-adjustment you've made (I used to do it), however on this board think its hard for you to be behind. Like Trigg said he has so many more combos of AJ / KJ / overpairs. Board is super dry and he probably gets 2 folds from marginal hands cbetting into 2, whereas he gets stabs from these hands and gains a flop bet a higher % than he would cbetting. Also gets you to go with your marginally worse hands often and gets the max. Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: Rupert on March 30, 2014, 06:46:43 PM meh looks fine to me
Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: hotdog on March 30, 2014, 09:18:57 PM meh looks fine to me Is flatting and re evaulating on the turn an option ? Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: SuuPRlim on March 30, 2014, 10:17:52 PM So it's a super exploitative fold and you need some good reasons to make super exploitative folds no? in game as soon as he raised i instantly thought to myself i was 100% behind. well there you go, part of being a great poker player is great poker instincts, nothing more frustrating than thinking something very strongly then using theory to talk yourself out of it, a player on your level will have sub-concious knowledge that will be impossible to reason in game, if you're good enough then trust those instincts because they are often right. There is your reason. I don't agree this is a stnd fold though, or that it could possibly be the most interesting hand you've ever player. Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: Rupert on March 30, 2014, 10:28:58 PM meh looks fine to me Is flatting and re evaulating on the turn an option ? dunno what you're hoping happens, he isn't gonna stop betting very much Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: pleno1 on March 30, 2014, 10:55:57 PM So it's a super exploitative fold and you need some good reasons to make super exploitative folds no? in game as soon as he raised i instantly thought to myself i was 100% behind. well there you go, part of being a great poker player is great poker instincts, nothing more frustrating than thinking something very strongly then using theory to talk yourself out of it, a player on your level will have sub-concious knowledge that will be impossible to reason in game, if you're good enough then trust those instincts because they are often right. There is your reason. I don't agree this is a stnd fold though, or that it could possibly be the most interesting hand you've ever player. its not interesting because of the theory side, but perhaps finding a big mental leak like that is v interesting. def not std ofc yeh. Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: hotdog on March 30, 2014, 11:35:18 PM meh looks fine to me Is flatting and re evaulating on the turn an option ? dunno what you're hoping happens, he isn't gonna stop betting very much do we have any info on the player pleno ? i personally would not flat, just was asking if this was an option! Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: Rupert on March 30, 2014, 11:38:34 PM idk that it's even that super exploitative unless we have a really wide flatting range here that decides to bet the flop too much. we probs aren't betting w AQ and maybe even not something like 99 so we don't have tons of hands when we bet anyway. dyno can have a nice piece as well
Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: Rupert on March 30, 2014, 11:40:08 PM also I think romeo smart enough to recognise that you will be flatting QQ+ here pretty often so i'd say your betting range is pretty strong
Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: pleno1 on March 30, 2014, 11:57:22 PM yeah im not peeling that many Jx in position, prolly checking 87s, but maybe fold that pre. id maybe bet aq to barrel him off underpairs-AK-take initiative. id fold aqo pre anyway so only have the suited combos i guess, prob bet all the bdfds.
id bet 9ts, qts, again may not always have these pre. Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: Oxford_HRV on March 31, 2014, 05:24:24 AM gf villain obvs has Jd 3s
Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: action man on March 31, 2014, 01:37:51 PM meh looks fine to me Is flatting and re evaulating on the turn an option ? dunno what you're hoping happens, he isn't gonna stop betting very much not seen elrupert on the stars grind for a while? where u been mate? Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: The Squid on March 31, 2014, 03:10:44 PM Surely you have a bet/fold flop range, call flop and turn range and call all 3 range. Seems like this is a hand we call unless until the river with. You have no two pairs so this is way towards top of our range. Romeopro too good/reggy to be making exploitative folds against. Really weird you would make this fold particularly as he dont c/raise top set in this spot i dont think.
Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: Rupert on March 31, 2014, 03:49:37 PM meh looks fine to me Is flatting and re evaulating on the turn an option ? dunno what you're hoping happens, he isn't gonna stop betting very much not seen elrupert on the stars grind for a while? where u been mate? all hope lost Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: AlexMartin on April 01, 2014, 12:14:31 AM guys line is horrific, dont care if hes a reg. not folding, not going allin either.
Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: lucky_scrote on April 01, 2014, 12:27:22 AM guys line is horrific, dont care if hes a reg. not folding, not going allin either. It's good if he's bluffing this one scenario because he's made pads fold. I do agree though. I'm not folding at all, calling and not re-evaluating just going to let the ole cards to the talking at showdown. Title: Re: prepared to be berated by trigg Post by: WotRTheChances on April 03, 2014, 10:10:35 AM meh looks fine to me Is flatting and re evaulating on the turn an option ? dunno what you're hoping happens, he isn't gonna stop betting very much Hmm yeah this could become an issue. It does look very fos on the flop as the guy has to have 33/88/JJ/J8/AJ/KJ? To be raising for value. I'd have thought a good reg wouldn't be raising, what is a pretty dry board, with many value combos as it will get through a lot, esp if he can get pads off AA! I guess it's a bit of a levelling spot, where previously regs have just had it because they know they 'shouldn't'. Problem for our hand if we call call call is that surely progressively down the streets it becomes exponentially less likely villain is FOS and AA gets closer and closer to the bottom of our range. Don't think I'd be folding flop, but would be feeling pretty under-it if villain goes for all 3 as he can't expect to be getting many folds once we've called a couple of times. Villain v.rarely value owns himself with worse for all the barrels either, surely? |