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Bit early in the TV show with the Brienne/Jaime question? Also with Ramsay Snow stuff?

The Hound is a bit too nice?

I think the Shae plot is an improvement on the books.

Why no Tower of Joy flashbacks to date? Not as significant as most bookworms believe? Surely this has to be covered at some stage to cover Lyanna?

Well, the Tower of Joy is simply a theory and I wonder of Martin was prepared to tell HBO about any story spoilers before he has finished his story. I am sure it's something that they will work into the plot. It's just going to look different.

Howland Reed was mentioned, so that at least means there's a vague connection if tenuous, to go back to that story arc.

I haven't actually watched S3 yet. I do wish Martin would finish though. I've been addicted for the best part of my
life to these books.

was done in the dvd extras i think.

really impressed with how they are adapting the books, season 2 seemed a bit off/wrong to me but 1,3 and 4 so far are fantastic.

GRRM seems to be giving away the latest book chapter by chapter for free. i doubt he'll ever finish the series, i think he's torn between wanting to go down in history as one of the greatest writers and fucking it all off and doing coke and groupies instead. tbh if it gets finished properly on TV that'll be fine for me.

The full plot has been communicated to HBO.

Martin has also confirmed we will meet Howland Reed. Fair to say the tower of joy plays some importance.

Where was that confirmed? Do share. I have always wanted Howland Reed to come into the story.

In Martin quotes.

In some theories you've already met him and he's currently the most powerful man in Westeros....

I am not convinced!

Nor me tbh.

Moreso on the Jon Snow theory though

strong belwas sorely missed. he would've shat all over that meereen scene

Yah.

Expect to see the Jorah / Barristan proving themselves lark?

can't remember much about it tbh, dany story gets really boring from now on imo

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Jaime raping Cersei not great IMO. Her seducing him on the alter so he'll kill Tyrion is the final act before Jaime realises how evil she is. Weird seeing it from a view that makes him darker and shifts pity to her?

Lol

Caused a stir amongst all fans. Really bad idea IMO. As said in the other GoT thread one of the most popular characters in the books may never recover on the TV show.

Well this is starting to diverge from the books a bit!

In general I'm a fan and some stuff has to change eg bran only gets a few chapters per book and is mainly used for workd building and prophecies. Can't really do that on TV so I like the way they're taking it.

The Jamie/Cersei scene I don't think was intended as rape although I can see why people viewed it as so.

Agree. No wilding attack from the south then?

And if we can't be that far from the war at the wall, Stannis knew he was heading there ages ago.

And a leader white walker? Wtf??

The program seems to be well out of time with the books.

Pretty sure burnt sheep were well after where we are in the rest of things and Reek being asked to spy is far later than the Wall being invaded which is still yet to happen.

Almost wish i hadn't read the books, as I spend to much time thinking about it than enjoying it!

We are on ADWD content for bits of it now. Bear in mind that ADWD and AFFC run alongside each other and it's not actually that far ahead.

 Yes but major plot points from ASOS still haven't happened yet. The series seems to be between books 3 & 5 right now.

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so the big question is will the final scene be the return of Cat? if so will it be a great wtf moment or a shark jump? this season perhaps the high point and it all goes downhill now?

Tyron escape/Tywin death perhaps? Whatever happens this has been a great series.

It has to end with Stoneheart imo. It's too perfect a cliffhanger for them not to.

If it was just in a random episode next season then I don't think it would be as good. There's also the fact that at the moment it's just one year after her character was killed off so people should remember who she is. Give it another year and some viewers may not really remember who she is which would lessen the impact.

Oh well :/

"I've definitely got some unfinished business that needs to be resolved there. I'm obviously not Jon Snow's dad. And you need that to be revealed at some point, don't you? So Bran would kind of be the one having the flashback, and he would see Ned praying, right? And revealing those things? You never know what those guys are going to do with that. It's got to be something special. But I'm into that. I certainly would be into that."

Sean Bean