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We send our little boy nursery 2 days a week as obviously good for social development and interaction with other children works out around £600 a month based on £70 a day- Mondays and Fridays.

Now obviously this month there are 2 bank holidays which happen to fall on Mondays and Fridays - the nursery have charged us the same amount but are shut on these days. Now my partner actually is a stock loan trader by profession so she obviously has these days off but if she worked in other industries then we might need them to be open

My issue is how can they charge us for use of their service when they are closed on these 2 days?

Haven't looked at contract as basically irrelevant as done contract law and most ain't worth the paper they're written on- if an unfair term is in the contract then it's gonna be void anyway even if you signed it.

Seems mad that a company can bill its "clients for work and services" when it's not even open?

think you would at least be entitled to send him on any other two days this month.

I imagine contract specifies number of days at a day rate rather than number of mondays and fridays.

think if you just ring them and contest it they would just offer another couple of days.

Dubai starts a thread about Nursery Fees.

The world has turned upside down.

I assumed that would be their form of a compromise if did ring up

The other thing that amazes me that everyone seems to accept is standard-is you have to pay even if you want to take kids abroad- can't give notice, don't have a holiday allowance, they just charge you.

So if you did send a child every day- and wanted to go on a 2 week holiday. You would pay the nursery £700 for the privilege of it, if you had 2 kids even with second child discount still means a holiday costs £1300 or so more on top of the cost.

No wonder most mums don't see it as economically viable to go back to work

Hopefully Pleno reads this and starts working on buying a chain of nurserys we can all buy a piece in

But would he make the puzzles easier to enable the kids to be able to get out at the end of the day?

I miagine the "contract" is based on the year, so is div12 for a monthly fee, rather than for actual days used.  So with 2 bank holidays, you are paying for services you don't receive, but other months you must be getting a service you aren't paying for?

The nursery has a limit to the number of places they can offer, based on carers/facilities etc and therefore each child space is a cost to them, whether the child comes in or not.  It would be a bit like buying a dedicated car parking space in a car park and happen not to use it for 2 weeks.

The car park analogy only works if they shut the car park. The nursery shouldn't be charging for days they are closed IMO.

It's defo based per day and not over year as always is exact amount for number of days that month. I

Because you aren't even contracted in for a year, can pull out whenever u want but they don't guarantee a space again if you do pull out. So if you were going away for a month obv say to nursery pulling out next month but then gambling whether get back in

what about hiring a building just on holidays (im sure its cheaper than normal) and charge 200%?

There are serious regulatory issues involved in running a nursery, Patrick.

BITB getting into the nursery racket business.


My brother was saying the same about their nursery back along, and I think they just ended up swallowing it.

no, no ofc, all above board, hire  non religious very good staff

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Monday/Friday but worst days to send kids to nursery.  My youngest Monday/Thursday as value of day after Sunday>>value lost in bank holidays.

How much?  is £70 a day standard?

We pay £40 per day which is pretty standard for midlands.

Leeds is about 35-45 per day on average we found. We pay £38 at the moment but chose tues-thurs mornings while my other half is still off work with our second just to avoid the bank holiday problem. When she goes back to work full time our monthly nursery bill will be £1,500+ for 2 kids so majority of her after tax salary will go on childcare.

It's 40 quid a day but Zach gets a 20 quid sushi taster lunch and then gets given a tenner when hes a good boy to go to the bookies with and start practising at lunch time.

When we moved out of London, we got 5 days for the money we paid for 2 in London.  Both nurseries are Busy Bees so it isn't that.  We have used 3 nurseries, all charged by the day regardless of what day it was.   A whole week isn't much more than 4 days tho.

Got no real idea what standard is, we looked at 3 different ones, liked one of them miles more than other 2 and just chose that

Have checked its £67.50 exactly per day - that's for a 2 year old that's in a room for 2-3year olds, think was slightly more when he was in the 18-24 month room and assume more if under 1. Includes all food, we get a menu emailed every week of what the kids are eating so for example this Thursday if we did substitute a day the menu is


 Thursday
 
Assorted cereals
 
Toast and fruit
 
Lamb moussaka
Bread pudding
 
Pitta and houmous
 
 
Homemade tomato soup
 
 
We been really happy with them other than being charged when they closed, fwiw nursery is in Upminster Essex so we don't live in central london, assume that's even higher

We paid near £80 in Wandsworth and that was near 4 years ago for a 2 year old.  Think it is about 40 now and that is an hour from kings cross.  Can understand why they charge you for sick days.  Some nurseries different to others tho. London one stopped you going in with a sniffle, current one son folks bring kids in with The Plague. 

If I ever moved back to the UK this thread has clinched the deal for my missus never working again.

As an aside at the prices quoted I can send my daughter to nursery here in Florida for a week pretty much.  The standard is just under $200 a week for a decent place.

My daughters nursery in London borough of Hillingdon was around £80 a day 10 years back (and wasn't a particularly expensive place). Despite the fact I was in a pretty well paid job back then, when I first went back part time from maternity leave I worked out that my net earnings per month were -£70. If I was to have any more children in my current situation there's just no way I could afford to continue working, whether I wanted to or not.

This is pretty much the same situation me and my wife are in. We want to have another child but at £1600 pcm for childcare + nappies, food, clothing, petrol to nursery etc it just doesn't make sense for both of us to be in full time employment until they are in proper school. As my missus has a pretty secure job with decent enough pay we have decided that I will be the stay at home dad. :)
I think if the government want people to work full time (as I have pretty much done for the last 13 yrs up until last Sep) then they need to do more for working parents.. from watching TV it seems if neither of you work then you can get up to £500 PER WEEK to help you live (it was £700 odd until the cap..) but if both of you work you get £80 pcm child benefits (everyone with a child gets this) and you can get tax relief on your wages. I think it's something like £100 of your wage becomes £213 childcare. vouchers, which you can both do then that is it.

Obv people can say don't have more kids if you can't afford it, the thing is we CAN afford another child if one us doesn't work and that is without claiming a single penny in benefits. I find the whole situation just insane. I think there should be state run nurseries which are free for working parents or reduced for one working parent or crèches within certain sized companies or more help or something.

Lolz, not sure where that came from, just think it's a joke. Families where neither parent work effectively get paid to have as many children as they like and those who want to have children but also want to work have to struggle financially. My wife and I pulled in £60k pa between us when I was working and we could not afford to have another child but now I don't work it is more economically viable..

Look into family tax credits, you get money right up to about £26k income I believe, more if you have something like kiddie vouchers taken out of the wage.

You would be surprised how many people can only afford to work because the working tax credits etc..they received allow them to do so.

@ milli

you do realise most of that 500 cap goes on rent to private landlords in Housing Benefit and working parents can get working tax credits and child tax credits so unemployed people are not paid to have kids at all really are they ?

Yeah, looked into it but we earn too much to qualify just on my missus' wage. Although I think if they took into account having a mortgage, 2 cars, commuting costs + childcare etc then it could be a different story..

Don't get me wrong, I'm more than happy not working and getting to spend tonnes of quality time with my daughter I just think it shouldn't be as difficult as it sometimes is to have 2 kids, both work full time, have a mortgage and go on 1 holiday a year..

@si most of it if you live down south maybe. Rents this way are much much cheaper and (even < £500 pcm..) if they get more money the more kids they have then I think they are effectively paid to have more children. I think the new cap is a good thing tbh.

I had the same argument with my wife on the Bank Holiday and general holidays stuff when it came up for us. In the end I didn't bother chasing it as she reckoned it was standard according to the Mum forums etc.

I suppose the nursery have to pay all the staff their full salary regardless, so along the lines of what Simon said it all comes down to them being able to accurately predict their annual income without getting stiffed for kids buggering off on holiday and losing them cash for empty spots.

Perhaps there is a different model where you could build holidays into it, but I think it would just mean an increase in the daily rate so you'd end up paying for it anyway.

Think we pay about £60 a day btw, just outside M25. Oh and we do Tues-Thurs now :)