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This was a live event, in the money already. Blinds 2000/4000/500. I have around 180k, big blind has about 120k, average about 140k.

Folded round to me on the button, raise to 9000 with  Kd 6d, sb folds, bb calls. He's never really got out of hand with crazy bluffs, made a few loose calls before.

Flop comes  Ac Qs  Jh

BB checks, I c-bet for 11k, BB calls. I put him on small aces, marginal queens and jacks, maybe J10, Q10 something like that.

Turn:  Jd

BB checks, I c-bet for 20k. BB think for 30seconds or so and flats, doesn't look overly comfortable. Still have him on previously states hands.

River:  9d.

BB checks, I bet 51k for most of his stack, believing he'll fold the hands i put him on. Tanks for about 2 minutes before calling, showing  Ahrt 2s.

Was this bluff stupid? Lost a huge portion of my stack and bust shortly after and it's been bugging me since.

(sorry if this isn't detailed enough, it's my first hand analysis post on here)

Welcome :)

Happy with pre and flop, but on the turn I think I give up. If kicker plays it makes it a lot easier to play but now we are only getting folds from Qx and some straight draws that we beat and could potentially get to showdown against where we have the best hand.

If he knows you are opening fairly wide when folded to IP (which I imagine is the case if you open K6) Then it makes the river a sigh call for him with Ax. There's a fair few turns I continue on (7-), but think this is the worst card for trying to make him fold.

Don't think it's stupid since it's fairly obv what he has here, just an unnecessarily tough spot to take when we aren't 100% sure whether he folds Ax vs this line.

Think the most important factor here is how wide he thinks you are opening, and if capable of 3 barreling. Hard to read minds though

I'm a little drunk right now, but I kinda like the play in this hand, would shove the river, not bet 51k though, defo the tournament life thingy has affect in these spots. He doesn't have too much AJ, AQ, JJ, QQ, AA and you're totally uncapped, he can have QJ though that's the main "monster" I'd worry abt running into, but as I said I'm a lil drunk so I might be talking nonsense :-P

Also, how wide you're opening pre flop isn't a sole factor in his river decision with A2, it makes you're flop and turn range slightly wider be default (more air in cbet range flop, and slightly more added equity turn barrels) but certainly for him thinking you're wide preflop is no way near a reason to call the river with A2, A2 is a straight up bluff catcher sohow often you're bluffing is the sole factor in the decision to call A2 or not. Just because you get to the flop bet with a wider than average range doesn't mean it's an auto call with A2 on the river, fairly sure that readless folding is defo the better play

Exactly this, people are much more willing to call if you leave them a few bb's because if it's a really close decision they think 'Well, If I'm wrong there's always a chance I can spin up'.

I like the line otherwise, and I wouldn't take this line early stages whatsoever but deeper into a tournament people value their chips much more. WP UL etc.

Am with Dan and LilDave, was discussing in skype with a few people and defo agree on shoving the river, pressure on people calling off for their whole stack is far greater as Luckyscrote said. Dont hate the bluff, just remember next time to have a hand, as he will be calling you off light again!

Board was AcJsQs9cJc btw.

In this case i'd be giving up turn.

If the board ran out as you posted you can check turn and give up which would be fine with me, nobody ever gives credit btn vs bb and the J isn't really the best bluffing card as it hits him sometimes/gets rid of kicker problems he can have with Ax. Continuing seems also cool but if you're going to do this then make sure you empty the clip.

Lol, how did you know that?.......

Don't worry, I wasn't  the station in the BB!

In the original OP, if BB is a good player and aware of ranges then it's going to be difficult in making him believe that an Ace isn't good a majority of the time. You might check a jack on the flop and you probably don't fire away with an Ace like we want him to fold.

On the second (revised) board I just give up because unless he really has just Ax then with the hands he's peeled with there is a good chance he is not folding many of them. People who have a good hand at this stage (ie two pair) vs your btn open just won't fold.

I know my range on the button is wide here and so top pair could easily be good, but after firing every street i feel like it's very hard to call without a premium hand.


Yes this is George, i have no idea who anyone on this forum is because i'm new to it- are you Ryan who was on my table?


I didn't shove because I think a shove looks more bluffy in this spot, whereas betting 51k looks like i'm trying to extract value from him.

Sorry if i did get the board wrong, i thought no flush came in? Maybe my mind is fucking with me.

I'm Ryan, yeah.  Was an interesting hand at the time.  Board was def all black and backdoor flush did come in.  Not certain if flop was ccs or ssc.

As I said on twitter, the hand about 3/4 previous is really relevant here where you 3b/fold pre.  He's gonna assume your tilting from that spot.

still think some people, villain dependant obviously will just see you put him all in and think, 'bloody hell, if im wrong im out', therefore if you want to fire all 3 streets, think 'all in' is the best bet on the river

I have to say I think you're both right here, for him to call his stack off would be a lot harder so I should have put him to the sword.

And the previous hand must have played a part.

Eurgh, so many mistakes that level which cost me so big. Time to learn from these mistakes and onto the next one!

maybe a tad too spewy mate, you're chipped up nicely and ITM, what was the buy in? how many are left and are any shortys looking to ladder? either board i would bet flop, then give it some thought before betting the turn pretty big on 9c but i would just give up on J he just calls everyone of his made hands

It was the ukipt main. I put him on Ax (which he had) and didn't think he'd call off for almost his tournament life with it. Sigh.

Just me who shuts down on flop then ?

I just think we have such a big edge deep in these things, and I don't think that comes from barrelling off in spots like these to get random live players to fold top pair.

mmm different board makes things different. I like barreling off a lot more when the flop is rainbow, and when you don't have a tilty image (both of these make iot much harder to get credit.)

Irrespective i like to go all-in on the river, I thionk going 30k turn and 75k~ (OTR all-in) is best

20 tabling so sorry if i sound like a dick, but seem like fairly std b, b, j

The thing is he ties with a big portion of your value range as well as beats stone cold bluffs.

When you bet 51k on the river, your betting into a pot of 86k (assuming the table is 8 handed), therefore in order for his call to be correct he doesn't need to right that often. For this reason I think its better to do what Dave said and jam river > betting 51k. Tournament life in is huge in spots like this, especially when a lot of the time your opponent knows they will be calling off to chop at best.

Personally however, I'd be giving up turn. Seems a bad card to bluff as he's most likely not folding Qx / never folding Ax. If we do bet the turn then we have basically committed ourselves to barrelling river seeing as hes rarely to never gonna be folding turn. If we check turn back, we have 3 clean outs to the nuts and one 'dirty' out. If we ping one of these 4 outs then its fairly likely we get small value from all of his Ax / Jx range.

i agree with this and give up on turn vs most, although vs some players online i will fire another small turn bet as there is obviously a % of regs who will float A2C on flop waiting for you to slowdown so they can put a steal in. 2 barrels is minimum/mandatory in any pot vs these guys once this is noted.

bet/bet/jam line is fine but overly aggro for me 99% of the time. definitely jam if betting river.

Not a horrible bluff but I'd imagine villian not to be folding any Ace on this river. Yes he has Qx too but defo has more Ax in range than he does Qx as he doesnt defend all Qx pre where as he most likely will defend all Ax