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Title: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: Mark_Porter on June 09, 2014, 12:28:22 PM
8 Max £75 at DTD yesterday. We are relatively early in the tournament, everyone is pretty deep.

I have been opening a decent amount of pots but nothing too crazy. I haven’t 3bet once yet. Jason has been fairly snug, not seen him get out of line.

FWIW, I have never played with Jason before, have very little idea of how he plays. I actually only realised who he was when he started talking about prison etc. and I put two and two together.

Blinds are 600/1200 (200). I have 80K, Jason covers.

Mid position aggro lady opens to 2400, Jason quickly calls from the hijack. I 3bet  Ac 9c from the cutoff to 7900. Original raiser folds, Jason calls fairly quickly.

Flop is Jc Jx 6x.

Jason checks, I bet 8100, Jason dwell calls.

Turn is the 7c giving me the flush draw. Jason checks. Pot on the turn is 38K. We have about 63K back. Thoughts on merits of betting the turn, pre, flop, sizings etc.


Title: Re: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: theprawnidentity on June 09, 2014, 12:30:35 PM
Any flop where I cannot beat a J vs Herbie I'm folding and feeling pretty happy about it.

Like pre, would probably cbet a bit smaller otf but just nit picking.  Defo happy betting the turn now weve picked up equity, I would make it somewhere round 15k.  Spike a club otr and get paid off by AJ or KJ.


Title: Re: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: SuuPRlim on June 09, 2014, 12:42:52 PM
I bet he has QQ


Title: Re: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: mulhuzz on June 09, 2014, 12:45:37 PM
think this is a pretty quick 'check and take your equity' spot.


Title: Re: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: lucky_scrote on June 09, 2014, 12:47:56 PM
Mid position aggro person opens, what seems to be a tight solid (?) player peels but you decide to 3bet a hand that plays extraordinarily well with these stacks multi way in position.


Title: Re: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: theprawnidentity on June 09, 2014, 01:00:01 PM
Herbie has asked me to post this on his behalf:

http://wugwug.com/the-old-guard/ (http://wugwug.com/the-old-guard/)

With the message: "You can't pwn me."


Title: Re: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: Mark_Porter on June 09, 2014, 01:03:50 PM
Herbie has asked me to post this on his behalf:

http://wugwug.com/the-old-guard/ (http://wugwug.com/the-old-guard/)

With the message: "You can't pwn me."

Haha, seemed a really nice bloke.


Title: Re: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: pleno1 on June 09, 2014, 01:10:34 PM
He probably has aqish


Title: Re: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: GreekStein on June 09, 2014, 01:37:04 PM
I don't think he's folding if he's called flop, whatever the fk he's got.

Could be the Alistair James hand, then you're in big trouble :)


Title: Re: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: WotRTheChances on June 09, 2014, 01:53:50 PM
Mid position aggro person opens, what seems to be a tight solid (?) player peels but you decide to 3bet a hand that plays extraordinarily well with these stacks multi way in position.

Yeah agree with this. I don't mind the 3-bet, but my default a large % of the time here with deep stack IP in a live comp would be to peel... and be loving life


Title: Re: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: JK on June 09, 2014, 02:05:03 PM
Willing to bet Jasons range here is 66, TJ, AJ, JJ and maybe 77


Title: Re: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: pleno1 on June 09, 2014, 02:06:03 PM
Willing to bet Jasons range here is 66, TJ, AJ, JJ and maybe 77

how much? :)


Title: Re: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: Rexas on June 09, 2014, 02:32:06 PM
Willing to bet Jasons range here is 66, TJ, AJ, JJ and maybe 77

how much? :)


sixty-seven pence.


Title: Re: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: WotRTheChances on June 09, 2014, 02:43:06 PM
Willing to bet Jasons range here is 66, TJ, AJ, JJ and maybe 77

Sick reads you know it's exactly this and not QJ, 88,99, TT, KJ


Title: Re: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: Mark_Porter on June 09, 2014, 03:26:13 PM
I bet somewhere between 13K-15K on the turn.

I thought there would be enough hands he would have that would get here and fold – 88,99,1010 being the main ones but also some AQ types that got stubborn on the flop. Didn’t really think he would have that many jacks, Ace jack obviously the main culprit. Unsure whether he is peeling other jacks.

I guess the mistake is pre? I thought that my hand was too weak to peel, too strong to fold so a nice one to 3ball. In game, just seemed like a perfect squeeze spot and thought I would take it down pre a lot given image. May need to rethink ranges in this type of spot. We peeling any suited aces?   


Title: Re: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: verndog158 on June 09, 2014, 03:32:52 PM
Am happy to peel here, not sure how A9cc is too weak to peel, in position, seems a great hand to peel if im honest.
As played think i just check back turn, often bet folding here if Herbie decides to raise it up with Jx hands and other strong hands in his range. CHeck back, try and catch up/ make a hand then assess river imo


Title: Re: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: AlexMartin on June 09, 2014, 03:43:39 PM
looks like 66-JJ a lot, doubt hes floating AQoop here that often, realise equity for sure. Pre is more call than squeeze, but versus a min i prefer flatting this.


Title: Re: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: SuuPRlim on June 09, 2014, 05:40:26 PM
Yeh, for me it's neither too weak to flat or too strong to fold, I actually think either option is fine although massively massively prefer to call because that's way more fun


Title: Re: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: verndog158 on June 10, 2014, 12:27:55 AM
seems appropriate...

(http://s28.postimg.org/5drkwh1rx/herby.jpg)


Title: Re: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: Junior Senior on June 10, 2014, 02:16:05 AM
he has AJ or TJ. kids initals innit..


Title: Re: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: Mark_Porter on June 11, 2014, 09:48:09 PM
Yea, he had 10Jss and raised turn.


Title: Re: Trying to bluff Jason Herbert
Post by: rfgqqabc on June 11, 2014, 09:54:39 PM
Betting the turn seems really bad. We would rarely do this with aces, in particular against herbie; we really don't represent that much apart from a Jack. Tomsom are you betting 13-15k and calling off the 45 we have back? What are we even trying to fold? I don't see many opponents calling on JJ6 and folding to a turn bet here, so unless your going to cannon off all 3, just knuckle the turn and hope to ping something instead of a random 7c which helps our hand but not our perceived range. Doubt AQ is even possible too, Herbies a nit with a lob-on for jacks.