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Absolutely love it ... GENIUS !!!!

Love it.
Apparently it died of dehydration?? just how stupid a whale was it? although to be honest Id rather die of thirst than drink the thames :)

I liked it till it had a dig at the late Princess Diana.

I know things were a little OTT after her death. However, inferring that her only achievements in life were to draw attention to herself and waste tax payers money was IMHO untrue and in poor taste. For me, it sullied what was otherwise a good parody.

Being too serious today, sorry folks. :blonde:

It was inferring that the funeral's only achievement was wasting taxpayers money and drawing attention to itself, not Diana herself. Point taken though

I read it again and I disagree with you. I think, the way it was worded, it is having a dig at the person and not the funeral.
Not bothered though, the article makes ammends by saying...

Whale says "I didn't do it on porpoise"  rotflmfao

"crowds gather to catch frisbees"

 rotflmfao ;tightend;

Quote under pic ... "Vanessa Feltz takes a bath " :D

Don't get this one  :blonde:

I felt far more upset over the death of the whale than that of Diana. The comment " thousands of Londoners lined the streets to stare pointlessly at a dead creature they didn't know", wasn't this the same as Diana. None of us knew her, but that didn't stop people sheding crocodile tears. The whale died in agony, was separated from its own kind and was probably scared witless. Not a nice way to go if you ask me.

I didn't feel upset over Diana, I didn't feel upset over the death of a whale either.  It got lost, it died.  Same thing happens to many other animals around the world every day.  Shame, but not worth getting upset about unless you're a tree hugging hippy, IMO :)

Diana was just a human being. Human beings are essentially vermin; breeding far too rapidly and infesting an otherwise perfectly good planet - slowly destroying it.

A whale, on the other hand, lives in balance with nature and is a creature of beauty.

Crikey, that last post has completely stumped me I must confess!

I don't think the whale in question was particularly in balance with nature.

If it had been I don't think it would have found itself in central London.

Be careful, when you call people 'vermin' you might end up condoning all sorts of despicable behavior. 

Like the 'Bare with me guys' post. I think we are all starting to get a bit argumentative on here today. Lets all be friends folks.
We all have different opinions. Of course we also all believe we are correct. But at the end of the day, it is impposible to say who is right and who is wrong. So, lets all just concentrate on the good things about this forum. They are, a mix of good people who all bring something different and of course our shared love of poker.

Ok, I was being a little bit naughty.

My points however are valid and there is no malice in anything that I wrote.

I think we are in danger of getting a litle bit over-sensitive here. The forum exists for the discussion and debate as well as all the lighthearted fun. This may occasionally involve arguement, but as long as people respect the other forum members and remain civil then i don't think this is a bad thing.

Just because we don't agree about something does not mean we shouldn't talk about it.

Yea, good post. I agree mate. Debate is a good thing, but some people can't just debate.

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could i ask why?

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Well that is certainly an answer!!

No more to be said from me :-X

Suffice to say I care more for the whale.

Anyone care to take the wheel of the moderating car for a while?

Except yt of course, he'd crash it!  :D

So many opinions.......Has any one of of you really and truly read into Dianas diaries....not as this  has any real relation TO POKER......I love to relate to people.... as i meet them..I never met Diana.... if YOU did i find this a privalige..I can not " slag her off"  as some say as i truly feal she had a life of chit.....She had to allow Cammila into her life as a "NORM"...but we all expected her to lead a life as so called royalty

yeah boo hoo for her. All that money, all that privalige. There are pleanty of homeless people who have a life of chit and you dont see them crying to martin bashir.
Im going to bed. good luck modding this tightend!

just kick me while I am down why don't you  :dontask:

I rest my case ..too many people that think because she had MONEY ....it meant she did not care...

Of course she bloody cared .... she had so much going for her her who cared what BASHIR said..

The whale post was bloody funny though.... :)     and all the talk about Diana,  what about poor john Prescott LOL

She did a lot of things privately, a lot of things that the public don't know that did a lot of good but weren't palatable causes for a member of the monarchy to lend their support to.

Now then Maureen ... to change the subject completely it's 8 weeks and 12 minutes til I go to Vegas :)

Kerrr Chinnng!

I hear you H...but this is a subject i feal strongly about ....SRY.....Kerrinngggg

MONOPOLYYYYYYYYY

No problem...

Diana was misjudged. She did care, I know that. I worked for a charity she did an awful lot for, and there was never any recognition.

It wasn't a politically correct charity, yet it did very good work. It didn't stop her doing work for it.

Noo MIB darling :)

I remember the day she died. I was supposed to be going to watch an F1 test session at Silverstone. I had won a magazine competion, but it was cancelled. That will always stick in my mind.

I don't want to start a " should we have the Royals " debate, but I just can't understand why people like them.  I am not criticising honestly. But please can someone who does love them try and explain to me why they support them.  The royals are just people, but I see people on the news standing in the rain for hours just to see a hand wave from a car. It baffles me to be perfectly honest.

I like myself to much to hero worship someone else. Don't get me wrong, I have huge respect for a number of people. Lance Armstrong, Hermain Maier, animal charities organisers, researchers who work for peanuts in an attempt to find life threatening illnesses. These are people who I admire. I just can't look at the Royals that way.

There are countless people who see the Royals are Gods. It is almost as if they feel lesser than another person just because they have the title "Queen" or "Prince". Why is this?

Honestly I am not having a go at anyone. If you do idolise the Royals, ok that is your view. I respect you for your beliefs. But please explain why?

I don't idolise the royals.

I know she was over-hyped to a huge extent, especially for the first couple of years after her death. I just think Diana was a decent lady who did a fair bit up and above the call of duty for charidee etc.

I just find it sad that she is remembered for the hoo-hah at her funeral and afterwards and not for the good works she did while she was alive. I'd like to think that you could respect the lady without people thinking you're some sort of nutter who pretends that they knew her and believes her to be some sort of Saint.

It just seems everybody wants to put you people in a box on this issue. You have to either love her or hate her. I just think she was allright, and dislike ill being spoken of the dead.

I also remember the day she died...............I am sorry that F1 was cancelled due to that fact..I personally have NEVER supported the Royals...I have never understood anyone who thinks "Royals" or anyone whome thinks they  have higher ratings(this includes pokerplayers) think they are rated above  anyone of us so called average people.I personaly do not suck up to anyone.BUT i do feel that sometimes people are let down by what they try to acheaive....

Hey Tank, I wasn't meaning anyone was a nutter. Sorry if it came across like that. I just wanted to try and get a clearer picture in my mind why people feel so protective over a bunch of strangers.

Nun, I am not sad that my F1 was cancelled. Someone having an accident like she did is more important. But the two things together will always stick in my mind. I just can't help but think, there are many people who go about their daily lifes. They have familiy comitments like the rest of us, they have work like the rest of us, but they also find the time to fund rasie and give up their time to help others. These are people that will never be rewarded for their efforts. Diana was in a priviliged position there is no doubting that, so perhaps she was in a better position to give time to help her various charities. Afterall she didn't have a job or family to take up her time. Servants and Nannys.

Charity of course isn't a competition. Just because the unknown guy will never be recognised for his efforts. This does not make him a better charity worker than Diana was. I am not suggesting that. I admire her for her work. But when she visited the war torn areas of the world , I can guarnatee she continued to live in the lap of luxuary. It may have been a less upsetting experience for her as she could dis-associate herself from that environment back at her beutiful hotel.

A man that gives up three nights a week to go to the local soup kitchen earns my respect far more. He is an unknown hero in my eyes.

Diana may have been a good lady. But lets not forget. She was an extreamly rich lady.

Wasn't Lance Armstrong caught taking performance enhancing drugs?

It's only a whale for fxxk's sake, don't you think we are getting carried away with this Diana stuff?

p.s. I actually like Whale's and totally disagree with their demise... but that's another story.

lol...Its cool Decider, this is just a friendly discussion.

No...not Armstrong.  I fully believe him when he says he is inocent. He has never failed a drugs test. The French have it in for him as they are angry that he has won their event 7 times. I think his case is going to court. There really is no case, it is their word against his. He has nothing to prove, 7 wins and no failed drug tests.

Did I say which Wale?

Was the F1 test cancelled as a mark of respect or a protest at how her car was driven?

In the meantime, I doubled my pokerstars account money tonight... granted, it wasn't big to start with, but heh, I'm happy... Joined a cash game for 20 mins and got dealt KK 3 hands in, tripled up, then dealt AA and doubled up :-)

I can't make my mind up which mod this is  :D

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with that jumper, there is only one candidate

They phoned up in the morning at my cousins and said to not come. At that point I wasn't aware what had happend. I turned on ceefax and performed my morning ritual, Page 360 motorsport news, then 301 for sports news and finally 380 for general sports news. They were all empty with the words Diana injured in car crash. It was still the middle of the night at that point.

Well done on the Pokerstars bankroll Decider. Everytime I go on these days I lose. VC poker is fine, but pokerstars is really bad at the moment.

That is a scary pic mate. Who is it?

With that slouch there is only one candidate! :D

Definately don't want to insult him...lol

Whom?

 ;scarymoment;

PMSL at that pic, it is in fact an amalgamation of all of the mods ...  Tighty's body, roberts jumper, Ironsides gimp mask, heids sofa, red dogs guns, AND MY BEER ... snoopy was hiding behind tthe couch  ;)

I totally agree. Just a bit of debate. No-one to calm down here.

Sure it's another thread gone off on a tangent, but without debate now and then the forum would be full of...
"I just won $10" and 30 people saying  ;applause; :respect: ;tightend;

That's cool enough, but a bit off O/T debate hits the spot too on occasion. Just so long as we all steer clear of religion there shouldnae be too many problems.

Don't get me started on religion...

all poker players are religious, I bet not one person can say that they have never said "thank god for that" when hitting , or "please god no ace" when you are all in with KK v AJ  :)

My thoughts on human kind always shock people unfortunately.

I don't personally condone harming others, however it is an absolute fact that the planet cannot sustain the current biodiversity whilst the human population continues to increase as it is and we pillage more and more in order to satisfy its needs. Like it or not, the signs that we're destroying the planet are all around us, from the numbers of species becoming extinct each year to the changing climate and the massive loss of diverse habitats to make way for commercially driven monocultures.

As good old David Attenborough said not so long ago, humans are irrelevant to life on this earth. We could all disappear tomorrow and life would go on with no adverse effects. If, on the other hand, insects were to die out tomorrow we'd all be screwed.

As we are quite clearly not the most important beings on the earth - a concept, incidentally, pretty much alien before the evil of modern religion surfaced - then given that we are the most 'advanced' it behoves us to be good caretakers. But we're failing miserably at that.

There are too many of us and that's a fact which many like to shy away from because it's just a little bit uncomfortable to admit. What can we do? Well we can become more responsible about breeding and try to view any religion opposed to birth control as the outdated, human-centric piece of BS that it so obviously is. We can also pull our heads out of our butts and realise that our current lifestyle in 'developed' countries is unsustainable and that buying that new MP3 player or merrily jumping in the car to drive 10 minutes down the road for a paper is simply squandering resources which are fast running dry.

Why do I use the term 'vermin' to describe the human race as a whole? A quick look at the dictionary and it becomes clear "destructive, annoying and injurious to health". That's us.

Do you doubt?  Try this http://www.myfootprint.org/ (http://www.myfootprint.org/) for a bit of an eyeopener.

That's my sermon for today, I'm quite sure I've left some people steaming from the ears but, hey, I never set out to win friends and influence people, I just state my opinions and screw the consequences ;-)

I saw an Irish man fishing and asked him if he's caught anything

"I caught a whale" he said

"What kind of whale?" I asked

"A bike whale"

Yea, I agree Tank. Religion should be left out of the discussion. I always think religion is similar to supermarkets. There are many different types of stores ASDA, Safeway, Morrisons and co-op. Not everyone shops at the same store. Some people like one better than the other.
But at the end of the day, no one person is more correct than another. It is just personal choice. Each give their own comfort to individual people. So that is a positive thing if you need reasuring in life.

I looked through most of the display pics to try and work out who it was ....I never guessed it was a combo

lol...a bike whale.

Cue discussion on religion  ;hide;


Your supermarket analogy carries weight, people mostly choose their religion the same way they do their supermarket. Whichever is closest and most convienent.
Also, they all offer pretty much the same product so it doesn't really matter much anyway in the grand scheme of things.
If Religion is similar to Supermarkets then does that make Karma similar to Clubcard Points?

I liked Heswall's idea that we are all caretakers. However, it's all based on the somewhat whimsical premise that a species importance is based upon other species dependence on them in the ecosystem. This argument has merit, but it goes against the very  nature of all life, of evoultion and survival of the fittest.

Importance is all relevant IMO, if you're a Gomphus Vulgatissimus then dragonflys rate pretty highly on your agenda. However, if you're a Homo-Sapien while you can still respect and rejoice in all forms of life, humans probably figure highest on your list of priorities.

If a rat were capable of philosophy would it consider itself vermin? Should it?
I don't see humanity on the whole as being verminous, however, I do believe we should all better understand and be humbled by our own individual insignificance from time to time.

I think there should be a thread hijacking smiley.  ;goodvevil;

There's no problem considering yourself important if your lifestyle doesn't impact negatively on all around you. Unfortunately man's lifestyle is currently to the detriment of almost everything else. We can't continue the way we're going, it's that simple. Sure we can bury our collective heads in the sand for a generation or two and leave the problem to the next one, however even that may not be possible anymore as the changes in our climate are escalating drastically.

Survival of the fittest isn't applicable to the situation we're in. That's a theory applied to natural evolution over millions of years but no species is capable of drastically evolving over the space of 100 years (which is the time-span man has managed to do most of the major environmental damage in). An organutan can no more adapt to the loss of virgin rainforest in 10 years than man could adapt to living in salt-water when the tsunamis hit.

Totally with you on that one, we can't bury our heads in the sand.

Watching huge queues of rush hour traffic, most of which are cars that contain only 1 person, just sickens me. I quite deliberately don't own a car. I'll admit it is easier for me because I've always lived within walking distance of where I need to be.

I always recycle my micro-meal packaging and empty Irn Bru bottles. (That's pretty much all my litter)
When I'm cold, I'm more likely to stick on a jumper than turn up the heating, unless I have company.

I'm no Swampy, but I do take my enviromental responsibilities seriously.

Ok, my thoughts, for what they are worth.

Heswall, I was deliberatly provocative in my short comment and you have responded with several valid points. I agree with much of what you have to say.

I think the planet is hardier than you realise, life on earth existed long before we got here and will continue long after we are extinct. Extictions of species is a normal event, 99.9% of all the species that have ever existed on this planet have already become extint*, the planet has survived ice ages and meteor strikes, what ever we do to it the planet will absorb the blow and recover over time.

This does not absolve ourselves from acting responsibly when it comes to protecting the environment. I see this primarily as a matter of economics and mismanagement of resources rather than a mission to save the planet. Just as it is wasteful and wrong that we should use land in Africa to grow beans for consumption in Europe, just because relative prices mean we pay a few pence less, it is wasteful and wrong that we should spend £100,000 on attemping to save a sick whale stuck up the Thames.

*From Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything

 

Wardonkey, you're right - the planet is a hardy thing which has a way of attempting to heal itself, which makes me think that man is probably due for a damn good retro-virus some time soon (disease tends to knock down the size of any population which is breeding out of control).

I have to admit that the environment is one of my pet subjects - I'm doing a degree in it for the kicks and the more I read, the more worried I become. Added to that fact is the small point that I don't, in general, like people very much ;-)

Ms Wall,

Enlightened as ever.

We do need Mother Nature to give us a good smack around the back of our collective legs, just to remind us that we aren't really that imortant.

The Tsunami was the start. We haven't paid as much attention as really need to the Ring OF Fire IMHO.

Something will come along and remind us that we are feeble creatures.

Heid
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Like a really tightly screwed on jam jar lid.

Making noises like hhhnnnghhhhhh whilst trying to get at my preserve always reminds me that I am a feeble creature.

Heswall, I think Bill Hicks summed it up so well when he said "We're a virus with shoes".

What's Johnny Cash got to do with it?

It's probably all his fault.

My thought, Morrisons bought Safeway.

pmsl ..

Before that, I think Safeway bought Finefare. Or was that Gateway?