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Title: Ruling
Post by: pleno1 on June 11, 2014, 02:16:00 PM
It's been a multiway pot,mew get to the river and I'm heads up and in position, oop player checks. Dealer says show down and takes his cards and turns them over but I didn't check.

What is the ruling?


Title: Re: Ruling
Post by: Ironside on June 11, 2014, 02:18:46 PM
You should still have full options available to you as player should protect his cards, and dealer taken out back and reminded the rules


Title: Re: Ruling
Post by: mulhuzz on June 11, 2014, 05:24:25 PM
You absolutely have all the options, I think in fairness though player A has to have option to raise if you bet as well.


Title: Re: Ruling
Post by: Rexas on June 11, 2014, 06:53:52 PM
Not quite sure what a pokemon is doing in the pot in the first place. Personally, I'd throw a master ball at him.


Title: Re: Ruling
Post by: Tal on June 11, 2014, 07:05:08 PM
Cliffs:

Online pro in live comp spends four months over every decision. Dealer loses patience.


Title: Re: Ruling
Post by: JK on June 11, 2014, 08:20:14 PM
You have all options, as does Mew


Title: Re: Ruling
Post by: Sulphur man on June 11, 2014, 08:57:25 PM
You have all options, as does Mew
And this is one of the reasons dealers don't flip players hands JK right.
Pretty poor that this would happen.

Is this self dealt Pleno lol


Title: Re: Ruling
Post by: BorntoBubble on June 11, 2014, 09:00:01 PM
I don't get why a dealer should ever table a hand unless the player says he can turn them over


Title: Re: Ruling
Post by: buzzharvey22 on June 11, 2014, 09:07:43 PM
Lol at dealer turning over cards.

You have all options available. Villain has no aggressive action, he should be protecting his own hand and not allow the dealer to turn cards over.

Is this definitely the full story? Did the dealer instantly flip the players hand when he said showdown? Sounds weird. Did he say "showdown", then pause, then flip the cards? because if he did, somebody should have pointed out that there was still action during the pause. If thats the case, then it would infact be showdown.


Title: Re: Ruling
Post by: rfgqqabc on June 11, 2014, 09:41:51 PM
Shove, if he didn't kick up a fuss then he obviously doesn't have it. Wager the lot.


Title: Re: Ruling
Post by: Sulphur man on June 11, 2014, 09:55:50 PM
Shove, if he didn't kick up a fuss then he obviously doesn't have it. Wager the lot.
His cards are faceup lol


Title: Re: Ruling
Post by: rfgqqabc on June 11, 2014, 10:10:41 PM
Shove, if he didn't kick up a fuss then he obviously doesn't have it. Wager the lot.
His cards are faceup lol

Would you call a man that shoved after he'd seen your hand? :)


Title: Re: Ruling
Post by: OverTheBorder on June 11, 2014, 10:13:40 PM
Shove, if he didn't kick up a fuss then he obviously doesn't have it. Wager the lot.
His cards are faceup lol

Would you call a man that shoved after he'd seen your hand? :)

That crazy Spanish hand where the boy tries to rep quads proves otherwise!


Title: Re: Ruling
Post by: Sulphur man on June 11, 2014, 10:51:30 PM
Shove, if he didn't kick up a fuss then he obviously doesn't have it. Wager the lot.
His cards are faceup lol
Thought you had missed that his hand was turned face up. Must have misread you my bad.


Title: Re: Ruling
Post by: rfgqqabc on June 12, 2014, 12:14:22 AM
Shove, if he didn't kick up a fuss then he obviously doesn't have it. Wager the lot.
His cards are faceup lol
Thought you had missed that his hand was turned face up. Must have misread you my bad.

Na i was joking lol, had seen it :)


Title: Re: Ruling
Post by: dino1980 on June 12, 2014, 12:28:39 AM
I caught this live: the dealer didn't physically turn the other players cards over but he used the international sign for turn your hand over and gestured to the player to turn his cards over. The other player was unsure if Pleno had checked but as the dealer was so sure, he turned his cards over as the dealer intimated the hand had reached showdown.

In my opinion there's no fair ruling in this spot as the other player hasn't made an error/mistake, all the culpability is with the dealer.


Title: Re: Ruling
Post by: Boba Fett on June 17, 2014, 01:37:22 PM
So many annoying things about UKIPT Marbella and this is one of them, they use the local Spanish dealers and the majority of them are pretty terrible.

Had 1 dealer call a floor after a 3 way all in where 2 players chopped the pot because he had no idea how to do it, the floor comes and he makes a mess of it

Had a few dealers with no idea how to split a pot and would count the full pot, attempt to manually calculate half of that and then try to count out 2x stacks of that

I saw 3 chip races and neither dealer knew how to do it, 1 dealer did it at the end of the day but before the last 4 hands

Also several instances of giving wrong change, counting chips incorrectly when counting/paying bets, moving the button several places.

Wouldnt be surprised if they botched this ruling at all, Id have had no confidence in the Spanish floors at all and wouldve asked for 1 of the UKIPT reg floormen if I was involved in an important ruling

Shocking scenes


Title: Re: Ruling
Post by: Sulphur man on June 18, 2014, 05:03:54 PM
Spanish poker dealers confirmed tez.