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Have the following notes on villain: 'full psb bluff otr with no blockers, missed draw
check back top set no extras on drawy board, 3b pot'

Flat or raise? I can see him folding a bare set but at least calling with a bunch of other stuff and possibly jamming it in with a big combo draw.

PokerStars Hand #118014511283:  5 Card Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2 USD) - 2014/06/26 20:40:44 WET [2014/06/26 15:40:44 ET]
Table 'Ebella IV' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: UziStuNNa ($225.11 in chips)
Seat 2: ShiFtYFiNGeR ($197 in chips)
Seat 3: wazzbot ($1062.23 in chips)
Seat 4: Quanster ($160 in chips)
Seat 5: Satorin7 ($200 in chips)
Seat 6: K0Ku$@iGinK0 ($750.16 in chips)
K0Ku$@iGinK0: posts small blind $1
UziStuNNa: posts big blind $2
Quanster: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to wazzbot [7h 4h Kc Jc Ks]
ShiFtYFiNGeR: folds
wazzbot: raises $7 to $9
Quanster: folds
Satorin7: calls $9
K0Ku$@iGinK0: calls $8
UziStuNNa: folds
*** FLOP *** [6c Kh 9c]
K0Ku$@iGinK0: bets $29.60
wazzbot: raises $70.40 to $100

Since all turn cards are deece for you (just about) I really like a flat and raise lots and lots of turns.

7 8 T J Q all bad, not going ballistic on a club either. I'd call flop personally but dunno if thats good or bad.

375bb deep tho

Ah didn't look at stacks properly. Also thought we had a Ten in our hand which is quite crucial lol.

Raising seems a good idea. Maybe a bit smaller? I don't hate life if he peels obv and if he goes to war we have a hand to go with.

Minraise to induce. He certainly won't fold a set to that. Maybe just potting it this deep, kinda sucks though. So many turns where we get bluffed on, or bluffed off. Maybe not with 2nfd as backup but if its any straight bringing card and he bet its not a nice situation.

call

obv is obv

gotta outnit the nits. just call flop, he will play pretty perfect vs flop raise, if we have Ac i probably raise.

The most effective way to make him make a mistake from this point is to raise. He could  make some pretty bad calls from this point and people often will.

Our hand is pretty massive though so there's obviously nothing wrong with flatting and it's a pretty safe play theoretically but I. A vacuum I think raising is vastly superior option

Disagree dave. Think call is way better here

Why exactly though?

He's vastly more likely to over-commit with a draw/999 than he is to barrell off light, if we get AI vs a big combo draw we have 4 pretty relevant blockers and we're not blocking any pairs, plus the call PF and donk line into this board would quite often be a hand like a wrap he doesn't wanna chk/call with given the FD and being OOP so is trying to take the betting lead, once we raise a range that has lots of those hands in it we immediately put him in a tricky spot, if he calls, good...if he folds that's not the end of the world either and we protect our hand a lil (less of a concern admittedly when our hand is so big)

I know we're gonna struggle on turn cards given that A,2,3,4,5 are the only non straightening cards, but we can call  ANY turn card (can call clubs, and call on any straight cards) if he choses to lead into us and being IP we can decide to pot control on some off-suit straightening cards and could check back clubs which might induce some river bluffs from him.

Obviously calling has a LOT of merit (keeps him to committed with 999 or 666) allows us to pot control and obviously great for our range to have this hand for the turn, but we could use naked NFD, naked Top Set instead and be just as balanced on all pairing and club turn cards so I don't think that's a massive concern.

Basically for me, when a lot of turns close action down from hands that will call an extra bet on the flop then raisin as default and looking for epxloitative reasons to flat is the best way to approach these spots. IMO.

not sure thats true, the guy leading is way too good of a player to commit any more chips otf without a very good 999, ie 999 with wrap/nfd

(especially as its hard for him to have a king blockers now too)

Folding a half decent 999 to wazz's raise here might not be the best play overall.

Plus I think he never has 999with the flop donk anyways, donk/folding 999 is a pretty ropey plan for that hand regardless of what he has with it IMO.

Most of the these hands turn out to be very marginal made hands (set blockers to all extents and purposes) with good but not magnum draws that wanna take the betting lead.

People are just so polarised in these spots like flatting everything that's not top set + redraws that we allow him to play his hand pretty perfectly against us this deep if we raise. Being disguised rather than face up on a lot of tricky turns is massive in 5 and 6 o imo.

100bbs like w/e and even then it's so perfect for check jam but this deep I think flatting flop makes us more money in the long run. I don't think folding mediocre 999 is even a mistake when that happens.

Hmmm, interesting. I think the complete opposite to almost everything everyone has said lol, but this is the great thing about poker, so many ways to boil an egg, and who's to say who's egg boiling methods are best as long as you get a boiled egg at the end!!!

I thought the guy was a fish, hence the minraise stuff. The note stuff seemed kinda fishy, but I guess everyone has to pile sometimes! Its a very weird spot, he can almost donk/get in vs everyone but us, and just rofl fold if we put anymore chips in. Seems like a decent plan too. I kinda hate calling and playing the hand with no real idea where we're at but its 5o and really deep so got to get used to it. Do you have much experience deep? I kind of imagine you get 300+ deep a decent amount?

Lol kokus is a million to ever raise fold. Just keep clicking pot until you manage to get all your chips over the line. No need to trap.