|
Title: speculative calling range Post by: pleno1 on July 07, 2014, 04:03:53 AM 20 left in second chance, this thread isnt about value hands that were going with but hands that we are calling and folding some flops/jamming some flops/c/calling some flops
PokerStars Hand #118436326302: Tournament #926547045, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXII (3000/6000) - 2014/07/07 4:40:12 CET [2014/07/06 22:40:12 ET] Table '926547045 9' 9-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: NEWFlat (122678 in chips) Seat 2: Porkechess (127949 in chips) Seat 3: 33.karlos (183150 in chips) Seat 4: Cbart_05 (332600 in chips) Seat 6: Le Pedra (134444 in chips) Seat 7: pads1161 (29500 in chips) Seat 8: Ned_bg (537344 in chips) Seat 9: Bluf_To_Much (377289 in chips) NEWFlat: posts the ante 600 Porkechess: posts the ante 600 33.karlos: posts the ante 600 Cbart_05: posts the ante 600 Le Pedra: posts the ante 600 pads1161: posts the ante 600 Ned_bg: posts the ante 600 Bluf_To_Much: posts the ante 600 Le Pedra: posts small blind 3000 pads1161: posts big blind 6000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to pads1161 [3d 9d] Ned_bg: folds Bluf_To_Much: raises 6000 to 12000 NEWFlat: folds Porkechess: folds 33.karlos: folds Cbart_05: folds Le Pedra: folds pads1161: Title: Re: speculative calling range Post by: pleno1 on July 07, 2014, 04:05:58 AM not just 93, but all hands
Title: Re: speculative calling range Post by: willrobrobu on July 07, 2014, 06:16:22 AM are stacks right? u have <5bb? presume u are 20/20 and pay jump at 18th insignificant.
I'm rarely gonna bother peeling here vs UTG +1 raise off 5bb as we will never have fold equity jamming the flop. will sometimes do it vs later position raise almost atc with the plan to jam or c/c almost all flops as you will have more fold equity albeit a tiny amount, it's still more than u have by 3betting pre w this stack tho obviously which is exactly zero Title: Re: speculative calling range Post by: Junior Senior on July 07, 2014, 06:40:08 PM I dont understand the question. Surely we just fold or get it in and its entirely hand dependent as we have no fold equity
Title: Re: speculative calling range Post by: pleno1 on July 07, 2014, 06:51:24 PM I call a lot of hands here and fold flops. I was wondering which hands others would call/fold flops with but maybe it's bad.
Title: Re: speculative calling range Post by: Doobs on July 07, 2014, 06:56:32 PM I call a lot of hands here and fold flops. I was wondering which hands others would call/fold flops with but maybe it's bad. I call a lot of hands off a short stack with these odds and have done for a long time. Got a lit of abuse over the years so guess it must be good. Having no fold equity isn't something I worry about. Definitely call this hand and anything pretty. Will probably fold J2 off etc. Title: Re: speculative calling range Post by: ExiledDub on July 17, 2014, 07:41:39 PM I call a lot of hands here and fold flops. I was wondering which hands others would call/fold flops with but maybe it's bad. I call a lot of hands off a short stack with these odds and have done for a long time. Got a lit of abuse over the years so guess it must be good. Having no fold equity isn't something I worry about. Definitely call this hand and anything pretty. Will probably fold J2 off etc. Was just wondering both (Pleno, Doobs) what the logic is behind calling the extra big blind (given that this is ~25% of our remaining stack) as opposed to what might be considered the standard fold or shove. I appreciate that we are getting ~4:1 but given our stack size I wouldn't have thought that a call was an option. Reading the original question also raised two additional questions which I was wondering what others thoughts are. Given all things remaining equal (stack sizes, betting etc.) what range of cards should we be shoving with here as opposed to folding/calling? Given that we are getting ~4:1 should we be shoving with 80% of hands or should our range be tighter given any laddering opportunities and the likelihood of us being called given our lack of fold equity? My other question relates to fold equity and what would be the minimum stack size that we would require (all other things remaining the same as originally described) for us to have some fold equity? Title: Re: speculative calling range Post by: willrobrobu on July 17, 2014, 09:53:49 PM http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/9886163_8F835EB226
always fold equity whenever u raise. even if raise is 500 chips into a 15k pot apparently. Title: Re: speculative calling range Post by: youthnkzR on July 27, 2014, 02:48:49 PM Peeling anything suited / moderately connected flopping decent equity and going with it.
|