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Title: A rec making mistakes street after street mciro NLH 6-max Post by: ExiledDub on July 19, 2014, 09:34:29 PM Apologies if the post doesn't meet recommended format but I had some difficulty trying to export this hand from Sky (I don't have HEM or PT but if another Sky player could recommend the best way to do this I'd be very grateful)
We're playing 4 handed on a 6-max table. Blinds are 5p/10p. We've been playing for about 30mins and I've no notes or real history with the villain. Basically from trying to steal the blinds I get myself into a world of pain on flop and turn and would appreciate folks thoughts on pre-flop, flop and turn. I appreciate that my questions could be answered with a simple fold-pre but as played I would appreciate feedback in the spirit of trying to learn from my mistakes. Villain is in BB (£7) and Hero is OTB (£10.50) Pre Flop UTG: 10p Hero ( Td 5c): raise to 40p SB: Fold Villain: raise to 80p Hero: call to 80p Pot: £1.75 I was initially just hoping to steal the blinds with my initial raise and then felt compelled due to pot-odds/implied odds to call his click back. Questions: Should I be raising this wide? Should I be calling the re-raise? Flop 8s Tc 7h Villain: bets 80p Hero: calls Pot:£3.35 Haven't got a clue where I am at but reckon that as I have hit my 10 I'm obliged to call getting ~3:1. Question: Should I be calling or should I just take the hint that I'm behind and fold? Turn 9h Villain: bets 40p Hero: raises to 2.80 Villain: reraises to 4.90 (has 0.21 left) Pot 11.45 I decided to fold to cut my losses but I'm not sure that having gotten myself into the mess in the first place I am Question Title: Re: A rec making mistakes street after street mciro NLH 6-max Post by: Doobs on July 19, 2014, 09:49:11 PM Hust fold pre, that hand looks about as bad as you can get. If you are stealing a lot, you need to bet less. 30p is fine. You can't raise every unopened pot without people noticing, and this is right at the bottom of hands you will be dealt. Something like 76 suited is just going to be so much better if you move from just premium hands.
Just fold to the 3 bet too, you could be in a World of hurt if you hit a pair. I don't think people at 5p/10p generally have wide 3 betting ranges, especially not on Sky. I don't mind the flop call so much, you feel obliged to. The turn just looks like a call too, he has let you off here. I really don't know what to do on the river, think folding must be fine, but I think much if the rest looks wrong. You really don't need to get this fancy at 5p/10p, just play really ABC down there with the odd bluff, people wil pay you off. This must be even more true on a site that forbids tracking software. Title: Re: A rec making mistakes street after street mciro NLH 6-max Post by: ExiledDub on July 19, 2014, 10:04:43 PM Hust fold pre, that hand looks about as bad as you can get. If you are stealing a lot, you need to bet less. 30p is fine. You can't raise every unopened pot without people noticing, and this is right at the bottom of hands you will be dealt. Something like 76 suited is just going to be so much better if you move from just premium hands. Just fold to the 3 bet too, you could be in a World of hurt if you hit a pair. I don't think people at 5p/10p generally have wide 3 betting ranges, especially not on Sky. I don't mind the flop call so much, you feel obliged to. The turn just looks like a call too, he has let you off here. I really don't know what to do on the river, think folding must be fine, but I think much if the rest looks wrong. You really don't need to get this fancy at 5p/10p, just play really ABC down there with the odd bluff, people wil pay you off. This must be even more true on a site that forbids tracking software. Cheers Doobs. Yes by the time I got to the turn I realised that I had walked myself into a world of hurt and then I tried to get tricky bluff raising his turn bet to get myself out of it and got myself into even more pain. Title: Re: A rec making mistakes street after street mciro NLH 6-max Post by: shipitgood on July 19, 2014, 11:12:50 PM What's your user id on sky?
As doobs said just fold pre, defo fold to the 3 bet. At 10nl on sky, just go for value with your big hands, just bet bet bet Fine to bluff the ABC regs, they are fit or fold. Why did you 4 x the button? Would try and stick to 3 x, does the same job as 4x. Title: Re: A rec making mistakes street after street mciro NLH 6-max Post by: George2Loose on July 19, 2014, 11:18:38 PM 4* seems fine with the limper but yeh just fold pre
Title: Re: A rec making mistakes street after street mciro NLH 6-max Post by: ExiledDub on July 19, 2014, 11:38:27 PM What's your user id on sky? See PM As doobs said just fold pre, defo fold to the 3 bet. Yep realised that was more thinking whether I should have seen it through to the end and called the shove on the turn once I had got myself into the mess At 10nl on sky, just go for value with your big hands, just bet bet bet Agreed, just need more discipline Fine to bluff the ABC regs, they are fit or fold. Why did you 4 x the button? As George said I 4xd it due to the limper otherwise I 3x Would try and stick to 3 x, does the same job as 4x. Title: Re: A rec making mistakes street after street mciro NLH 6-max Post by: ExiledDub on July 19, 2014, 11:41:34 PM 4* seems fine with the limper but yeh just fold pre Cheers George. On the turn when he re-raises am I committed to calling or was I ok folding. Title: Re: A rec making mistakes street after street mciro NLH 6-max Post by: shipitgood on July 20, 2014, 12:22:47 AM Didn't notice it had been limped:)
Welcome to sky, and good luck. Title: Re: A rec making mistakes street after street mciro NLH 6-max Post by: Doobs on July 20, 2014, 12:52:17 AM Didn't notice it had been limped:) Welcome to sky, and good luck. Never saw the limper either, but should still fold Title: Re: A rec making mistakes street after street mciro NLH 6-max Post by: WotRTheChances on July 20, 2014, 01:02:00 PM Fold pre - too wide.
(as played) Fold to 3-bet - villains range will be tight and we just have an awful hand (as played) Call flop - got top pair, reasonable chance we're ahead, but can re-evaluate later (as played) Call turn - villain has bet 4bb into loads, raises achieves nothing really and we can just determine best course of action based upon villains river sizing (as played) Fold to turn 3-bet - we're drawing dead to any hand he's doing this for value with... and no reason to assume he'd be bluffing here as we can legitimately have straights in our range and if he was being stubborn with overpairs etc you'd expect him to be calling not 3-betting turn... so you just beat completely random spazzes from overs + you have to make the same hero on river if you really think he's fos Title: Re: A rec making mistakes street after street mciro NLH 6-max Post by: ExiledDub on July 20, 2014, 02:23:44 PM Didn't notice it had been limped:) Welcome to sky, and good luck. Cheers been there a while but have recently decided to try and improve by posting/commenting on PHA. Title: Re: A rec making mistakes street after street mciro NLH 6-max Post by: ExiledDub on July 20, 2014, 02:24:56 PM Fold pre - too wide. (as played) Fold to 3-bet - villains range will be tight and we just have an awful hand (as played) Call flop - got top pair, reasonable chance we're ahead, but can re-evaluate later (as played) Call turn - villain has bet 4bb into loads, raises achieves nothing really and we can just determine best course of action based upon villains river sizing (as played) Fold to turn 3-bet - we're drawing dead to any hand he's doing this for value with... and no reason to assume he'd be bluffing here as we can legitimately have straights in our range and if he was being stubborn with overpairs etc you'd expect him to be calling not 3-betting turn... so you just beat completely random spazzes from overs + you have to make the same hero on river if you really think he's fos Cheers WRTC. Title: Re: A rec making mistakes street after street mciro NLH 6-max Post by: Rexas on July 20, 2014, 04:14:18 PM Fold pre - too wide. (as played) Fold to 3-bet - villains range will be tight and we just have an awful hand (as played) Call flop - got top pair, reasonable chance we're ahead, but can re-evaluate later (as played) Call turn - villain has bet 4bb into loads, raises achieves nothing really and we can just determine best course of action based upon villains river sizing (as played) Fold to turn 3-bet - we're drawing dead to any hand he's doing this for value with... and no reason to assume he'd be bluffing here as we can legitimately have straights in our range and if he was being stubborn with overpairs etc you'd expect him to be calling not 3-betting turn... so you just beat completely random spazzes from overs + you have to make the same hero on river if you really think he's fos Wot he said :D Title: Re: A rec making mistakes street after street mciro NLH 6-max Post by: pleno1 on July 20, 2014, 05:09:42 PM I'd fold pre etc but probably not to the 3bet price too good.
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