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Sometimes you run into a shark...



Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9

Seat 1: Evil_Ecstasy ( $261 )
Seat 2: koolmia420 ( $245.87 )
Seat 3: snoopy1239 ( $233.40 )
Seat 6: INGEE ( $159.95 )
Seat 7: TACOJA ( $119.05 )
Seat 8: Uter_ ( $207.80 )
Seat 9: sleepiee ( $112.30 )
Seat 5: LION6869 ( $170.11 )
Seat 4: das_my_bank ( $112.15 )

koolmia420 posts small blind [$1].
snoopy1239 posts big blind [$2].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to snoopy1239 [  Tc 9c ]

das_my_bank folds.
LION6869 calls [$2].
INGEE folds.
TACOJA folds.
Uter_ raises [$8].
sleepiee folds.
koolmia420 folds.
snoopy1239 calls [$6].
LION6869 calls [$6].

** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 9s, Td ]

snoopy1239 bets [$15].
LION6869 calls [$15].
Uter_ folds.

** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]

snoopy1239 checks.
LION6869 bets [$25].
snoopy1239 raises [$50].
LION6869 calls [$25].

** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]

snoopy1239 checks.
LION6869 is all-In.
snoopy1239 calls [$97.11].

snoopy1239 shows [ Tc, 9c ] two pairs, tens and nines.
LION6869 shows [ Qs, Js ] a straight, ten to ace.
LION6869 wins $346.22 from  the main pot  with a straight, ten to ace.


Did I play this hand badly?
How would you have played it?

why raise the turn?

if raise, why so little?

once he has called the raise? why call the all-in?

 :D

Good questions.

I raised the turn because I thought I was ahead. Also, I thought that if I wasn't, he raise again, and then I could release for little cost.

I called the all-in because I thought I was ahead still due to the lack of any reraise on the turn. Unfortunately, he was unlike most players I come across and hand played the hand rather intelligently. His bet on the turn and flatcall of the reraise was very good and it threw me.

the flat call of the re-raise would have had the warning sirens flashing for me

i like the turn raise, personally, but if you make it $75 say and he flat calls then you must sense trouble

true on the 2nd point.

Why does the flatcall of the reraise get the sirens going. Is this not usually a sense of weakness. I can't see many of the poker fish (which is the majority) betting nuts and then flatcalling a reraise.

well I do it against certain types of player ...bet the nuts for deception and then slow down when I get action to draw them in

depends on whether he thought you were the type of player to give him action..... :D

I tend to treat them all as fish.

I guess that's where notes come in handy.

I've certainly marked this guy donw as dangerous though. Sneaky so and so.

What's the idea behind the minimum raise in both shark/fish threads? 

I raised the turn because I thought I was ahead. Also, I thought that if I wasn't, he would raise again, and then I could release for little cost.

That was my reason.

It may be illogical though. I guess that is why I'm looking for feedback.

if he has the nuts why is he re-raising?

if he has the non-nuts and is ahead he might re-raise, but you are unlikely to have two diamonds the way the hand has played out

by minimum raising you are storing up trouble for yourself against the better opponents

he bet the turn with the nuts don't forget

Yeah, very true on the last line. The sharks will eat me alive, but most are fish. Also, I try to stay away from the sharks.

u didnt know that when u bet the nuts then flatcall the raise u have the a monster? alarm bells shoulda been ringing. hes got the nuts and ur raising him, why would he raise you and scare u away? the flatcall is a great call that got all your money

A bet on the turn could scare me away, but he still made it.

obviously hes gonna bet the turn, with u raising him, hes gonna flat call all day long, if he raises here u gotta put him on the straight and ur gonna fold

So you would put him on nuts only and fold the turn for $25?

??  im saying if he bets the straight on the turn, u raise him and he reraises you, isnt it obvious ur 2 pair is beat? thats why he only flatcalled, so he could get all your money

Absolutely correct.

I understand what you're saying, but most of the online players I come across don't seem to think that logically, however obvious it seems to us.

the thing with online play is that is more and more people playing the game everyday, i got to a stage where i played for 3 months ands i very rarely seen the same guy twice, i was playing different people every single day, and having to learn their styles every single day, now i only play with a certain bunch of players, i want to play with the same players day in day out, most of my cash games nowadays are private tables, alot of players are moving to private tables coz they cant be bothered to spend the money on finding out if players are fish or not, i cant be bothered sitting studying players ive never seen b4, it may sound strange but id rather sit a table full of pros than a table full of beginners