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Title: Fold, R/F, R/C, Jam? 180 man special. Post by: theprawnidentity on July 28, 2014, 10:07:21 PM PokerStars - $13.77+$1.23|600/1200 Ante 125 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4 UTG: 9,819 UTG+1: 6,291 MP: 25,378 MP+1: 2,834 MP+2: 6,625 Hero (CO): 16,389 BTN: 14,224 SB: 28,099 BB: 13,463 9 players post ante of 125, SB posts SB 600, BB posts BB 1,200 Pre Flop: (pot: 2,925) Hero has Kd Jh fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero ?????? Just getting back into the game. Had this spot in my pokerstrat session and generated some interesting discussion. There are no ICM considerations in this spot, purely interested in chip ev. All 3 players behind are aggro regs. Do we raise call, raise fold, jam or open fold? If we jam, we can assume that all 3 will call fairly close to optimal. Title: Re: Fold, R/F, R/C, Jam? 180 man special. Post by: MC on July 29, 2014, 12:16:38 AM vote = jam
Title: Re: Fold, R/F, R/C, Jam? 180 man special. Post by: Oxford_HRV on July 30, 2014, 04:40:20 AM I'd r/f here too much, size it 2.9k
I think it would be best to go with what mc says, then i would go R/F>R/C>fold Title: Re: Fold, R/F, R/C, Jam? 180 man special. Post by: pleno1 on July 30, 2014, 05:33:03 AM if we r/f we absolutely must make it min off these stacks imo
Title: Re: Fold, R/F, R/C, Jam? 180 man special. Post by: rfgqqabc on July 30, 2014, 08:07:33 AM vote = jam Surely there jamming raises over our min are wider then they will call it off though? Do we not want the added variance in this crazy format. I'm be a bit worried about getting peeled and exploited in a mtt but not sure in a 180 man. Title: Re: Fold, R/F, R/C, Jam? 180 man special. Post by: youthnkzR on July 30, 2014, 12:29:10 PM vote = jam Surely there jamming raises over our min are wider then they will call it off though? Do we not want the added variance in this crazy format. I'm be a bit worried about getting peeled and exploited in a mtt but not sure in a 180 man. Think we'd need to calculate our equity vs their calling range / how often they find this range, then see what our equity is vs their jamming range (all calling range + wider) / how often they find this range. Then see what is best. Should be pretty simple using pokerstove. Title: Re: Fold, R/F, R/C, Jam? 180 man special. Post by: youthnkzR on July 30, 2014, 12:30:15 PM FWIW with it being 9 handed therefore 9 antes and antes being a little over 10% i would be jamming as standard.
Do our opinions change if we become 8 handed? 7 handed? 6 handed? Title: Re: Fold, R/F, R/C, Jam? 180 man special. Post by: lolwutwasthat on August 05, 2014, 04:28:55 PM I'd be jamming. Even though they are aggro, they probs arent stupud. If you are very r/f happy out of these stacks and they often try to exploit it then I r/c but if they dont then r/f or jamming is w/e.
Title: Re: Fold, R/F, R/C, Jam? 180 man special. Post by: WotRTheChances on August 05, 2014, 04:38:17 PM I jam, think there's a bunch of hands we get jammed on that dont call if we jam (Ax, some suited connector/gapper stuff) that have pretty good equity vs our hand. Don't like r/f with such a strong hand in late position and just feel like jamming gets rid of more hands we don't want calls from than r/c gets jams from hands we dominate.
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