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25/25. £200+20 buy in. Day 1b. 5 minutes left of level 9 of 10 for the day. Blinds 600/1,200/100. Eight handed.

We have 50k, which is about average.

UTG (43k) has been active of late, managing to pretty much double up without showing a card in the last couple of orbits. Early thirties, lives reasonably locally and has spoken a reasonable game. He opens to the table standard of 3,000.

Folded to the button, which is me. I have  7h 7s and have a tight image. I decide to call. Blinds fold. (8,600 in the pot)

Flop  3h 5c Ts

He bets 3,500. I call. He is stoic and is holding his cards together with both hands, fingers spread and facing fully forwards. No eye contact. (15,600)

Turn  9d

He thinks for a while. Maybe 10 seconds. Now bets 6,800. I decide if I was good on the flop, I'm good on the turn, so call again. (29,200)

River  6h

He dwells again for about ten seconds, before shoving (about the pot, if you're keeping track). He's not superconfident and he's not trying to deceive me with his body language.

I decide to call and he shows  Ad Tc

Having essentially dumped an average stack into the guy's lap, I'm contemplating whether I should have done what the little guy on the other shoulder was telling me to do and fold. I was convinced he didn't have AA/KK or better but he wasn't showing me any real weakness. I wonder whether curiosity has done me.

My final reasoning was: it's AT/JJ or I'm ahead. Getting 2:1, it was the right call to make and the fact I'm now grumpily sitting in the bar is just results-oriented misery.

Fire away!

Why you sitting in a bar when strictly is on? 

Have to have the right conditions for Strictly. Can't watch it in a casino ldo

Why you tossing your stack away if it wasn't to watch strictly? 

Seriously, think this looks bad, think you know it.  Think the turn thinking is woolly.  You can change your mind and there is no need to keep calling because you have called already.  There doesn't seem to be any realistic missed draws, yet he has bet all 3 streets.  From your description he doesn't look bluffy.  You are likely holding the bottom of your range to call that turn, just got to think what am I doing and realise you aren't likely to be good.   I know every so often the heroics going to be good, just don't think it is often enough on this board.

We all do these calls every so often.  How quick are you calling flop and turn.  Just asking but the bet sizing might suggest you are a little face up?  You say he looks a bit weak, but think you may look a bit weak here too.   Think you need to think a bit more about how you look. 

Thom isn't going to improve your mood, but at least Salford is a lovely place for a stroll...nah that doesn't work either.

 

Sick merge on the river by villain.

Think u should call once on flop and fold until you have reason to believe the guy is messing around. The idea of "Well I'm good on the flop" etc is very 2009- multi street game. You've gained more info when he bets turn.

Plus this is the type of comp where I don't want to be making these types of calls. Just make strong hands and value bet them hard and you'll do well

Thread title says it all.

Both good posts. Both made me laugh.

Making hands and cashing in is indeed a far more effective strategy.

What a donut.

This is an absolute bucket of shit! If he throws shit at you you throw shit back, you start a shit fight!  You throw so much shit back that he can't see shit, throw shit, pick up shit or do shit!!!

Hope this helps.

dont think river is a merge it seems standard by him, think like j9 or something would be a pretty sick merge.

i usually call these spots tal, turn just brings up so many hands he's going to barrel, jq, kj, kq, 87, q8s?  and his value range is relatively narrow.


think calling turn/folding river is bad anyway

Tal, can we not do something funky when the river card hits? Like check our cards, sit back in our chair, make eye contact with the guy and sigh really loudly?

Don't think in a live comp at this level he's barrelling the turn as much as he should be

amazing what an oxbridge education makes you do!  You know you didn't believe him because he had it 1000%.  You just wanted to see his a10 or jj.  We have all done it. Move on and reload.  You sound like you were as drunk as i usually am when i call triple barrel bluffs which are never bluffs in live donkfests!  how the feck is 77 ever good on the river in a northern donkfest where everyone is a total nit to barrel 3 streets.  I am amazed he is that light without him knowing your hand!  Shove pre imo.

He may not be thinking about ranges but I think the likelihood of the guy proceeding with 2 overs and a gutshot/sd would very much be

Bet >>>>>>>>>>>>>check

Just IMO

Not saying people barrel or anything but this is the but high card pairing for all over cards

I've definitely barelled with overs too often here. Became a running joke amongst friends of how I'd find ways to barrel off my stack with nothing.

I think I hold people to my poor standards sometimes :D

Arbboy, I know you were shoving pre. You're always shoving pre ::) :D

Take the dead money or win the 55/45 if they call!  I don't win 75/25's so i am the wrong person to be giving you advice.  I nearly travelled up to play it tbh tonight but i got the feeling there mmight be an overlay at dtd tomorrow so i went to the pub instead after the tv dogs and got shitfaced!  Hence why i am watching the 13th inning of the mlb play offs still now!

Ha!

Best of luck, sir. If you have the misfortune to have one, don't forget to post your exit hand ;)

I do this a lot, thinking that every opener has AK. Not sure it has been profitable long term.

It's funnier with 2s, when you are right.

turn looks like a pretty clear fold?

+1

...because he isn't doing it without a made hand very often? Why wouldn't he bet again if we're going to fold weak tens and worse?

Betting the turn must be massively profitable in these tournaments if so many people will only call one street.

I still think I should have folded the turn, but I don't regret the hand as I played it, if that makes sense?

Noone just like folding pre flop? Don't feel we are deep enough to successfully set mine and vs an UTG raising range can be difficult to play without hitting a set.

Of course villian could continue with some of his bluff range on the turn QJ or KQ, think he may slow down with AK/AQ/AJ or at least not bet the river them.

In summary I would just fold pre due to stack depths and UTG raising range plus we are not closing action.

If you image is very tight like you say didn't you think of 3bet folding pre if you were just going to call off your stack all the way down anyway?

why would you choose 77 to 3bet fold? It's a really really bad hand to 3bet fold. When you 3bet and you want him to fold its not because you have the best hand so must win its because you want him to fold. The outcome you want is for him to fold his hand not for the best hand to rightfully win. A2>>>>>>>>>>77 to 3bet fold. I wouldnt 3bf a2 fwiw.

btw this is pretty stnd live tell = strength, for me anyways.

Do we have to stick to poker or is general ridicule OK?

Look, I think what is important - what the PHA people believe is important - is that it is fair to say a man with an overflowing cesspit can spot something that's FOS, so I'd say stick to poker.

Conjecture.

See, this is the problem with 3 betting when you don't want to get 4 bet.

Hang on. Just realised who this is!

Have been wondering who would write such incoherent rubbish, but then I realised it was odd I hadn't heard from you...

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Refreshing to read such a well written PHA.