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PokerStars Hand #122822749108: Tournament #986863016, $300+$20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (60/120) - 2014/10/08 21:09:44 CET [2014/10/08 15:09:44 ET]
Table '986863016 6' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: sonmonedas (8252 in chips)
Seat 2: 1_conor_b_1 (4905 in chips)
Seat 3: alex31979762 (5865 in chips)
Seat 4: alexkjell (4540 in chips)
Seat 5: Demonic16 (8099 in chips)
sonmonedas: posts the ante 15
1_conor_b_1: posts the ante 15
alex31979762: posts the ante 15
alexkjell: posts the ante 15
Demonic16: posts the ante 15
alex31979762: posts small blind 60
alexkjell: posts big blind 120
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Demonic16 [Js Ac]
Demonic16: raises 120 to 240
sonmonedas: raises 360 to 600
1_conor_b_1: folds
alex31979762: folds
alexkjell: calls 480
Demonic16: calls 360
*** FLOP *** [Ks 6h Ad]
alexkjell: checks
Demonic16: checks
sonmonedas: bets 960
alexkjell: folds
Demonic16: calls 960
*** TURN *** [Ks 6h Ad] [Jh]
Demonic16: checks
sonmonedas: bets 1200
Demonic16: calls 1200
*** RIVER *** [Ks 6h Ad Jh] [8c]
Demonic16: checks
sonmonedas: bets 2280

3044 back, worth shoving?

Happy with hand so far, don't think stacks suit raising the turn and not many none nutted hands we can have. Would be a chiplead pot at this stage to give an idea of average stacksizes in the tournament.

Jamming seems too thin.

Not even massively excited about calling tbh

Fold>jam imo

I would prefer folding to the 3bet. As played I would fold the turn. You beat nothing on the river for sure.

Also your hand is pretty face up so villain can easily check back his worse pairs and 2 pairs on the river and bet his value hands with relative ease

I like 4betting pre btw. Think we have reverse implodes a lot when flaring.

No reads on villain, but vs most am I the worst player ever for wanting the fold to the 3b vs anyone who isn't a lunatic?  I would have 4b pre not all that long ago but kept getting into shitty situations post flop where I was sure what to do so decided to just fold vs most.

New Signature :)

In terms of pre I probably go fold>4bet>call

Yes this is right up there with his piano sandwich :D

in the fold pre camp and happy about it. And that's coming from a man who's famously pretty relaxed about reverse implodes.

also river is a call/fold decision for me, leaning towards a call. Jamming seems pretty bad.

What are we 4b bluffing with pre of not aj?

Could also chuck in KQ I suppose

yeh I don't mind 4bet bluffing with the AJo here, but think peeling is the worst option?

4b/f seems unwise after bb cold calls off that stack. Folding to the 3b at this price with this much equity seems very nitty.

River decision entirely down to reads, don't recognise villains sn,  any location reads op?

Woowowow, definitely thought the BB was the 3bettor. It looked like the guy snap called behind me. Ofc its not a shove if he is the 3bettor. Think its a reluctant call.

Thoughts if Sommedas wasn't the 3ber and the bb had 3bet. He was pretty loosey goosey.

I normally stay away from the sicko threads for fear of beration, but...

Pre is pretty gay, we are getting a lovely price but surely our hand doesn't play very well oop in a 3b pot? This has to be about as good a time, and as good a hand, as there can be to 4b bluff, right? Flop and turn seem standard, but by the river as I see it this just has to be a fold. I can't see anything that should be betting three streets at us that we beat, and as such jamming just seems to thin and should never work as a bluff.