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Title: £300 New Year. Deep Stack @ DTD
Post by: dtm75 on January 13, 2015, 10:08:25 AM
Level 4 or 5, sat very quiet with 60k (10k above starting stack). Level 4 or 5 (400/800 + 100).  Get dealt  Kd Kc in the hi-jack.  Raise to 2000.  Button, villain, is a presumably a reg, old-school, aggressive (witnessed leading out pot sized bets wherever he's shown pre-flop aggression, shown down TPTK once, other than that not got to show down), raises to 5000.   I call. 

Is pre-flop ok?

Flop  Ahrt Ac 8s.

I check and villain lives up to his MO and bets his standard pot ~10000.

WWYD? I called, thinking I'm going to be folding to another PSB, if it comes.  Unsure if villain would slow up, given I clearly had something.

Turn is a K - he bets pot again, I shove, he calls. 

Before the cards are turned over, everyone at the table are stating (correctly) the villains hand, which is AK, as if it's 100% the only hand he can have.  I think the only shock to onlookers is how strong my hand is.  At this point I'm thinking I should have been folding the flop.  Seems a bit exploitable to just fold on an A, or AA flop though?

Any thoughts, welcomed.  My first tournament in a year after a hiatus.


Title: Re: £300 New Year. Deep Stack @ DTD
Post by: rfgqqabc on January 13, 2015, 10:37:50 AM
I think your line and thinking are pretty reasonable all round, the flop/turn might be a fold because if he doesn't 3bet less than AK and doesn't bet QQ otf, we are just stacking off badly, however having said that it is hard to be so certain about things. Gross hand.

Might just get it in pre if he doesn't have a layer of dust on his chips but it does depend a little on how you have been playing so far. If he would describe you as a whippersnapper I'd presume he gets QQ/AK+ in, but writing that it feels like it will probably be QQ+. Obviously some opponents especially of the older gent variety would only ever get in better here pre, so if he is putting his paper down before he 3bs you, just set mine  ;)


Title: Re: £300 New Year. Deep Stack @ DTD
Post by: cambridgealex on January 13, 2015, 12:03:18 PM
I would fold on the flop probably. Not folding on the turn tho, you just can't.

Remember it's very easy for everyone else at the table once youve shoved and he snap calls to spot that he has AK! And you yourself probably know that when he snaps you off. It's another thing altogether being face with a second bet on the turn and having kings full.

I would bet my last dollar that no-one at the table wouldn't have gone broke on the turn there!


Title: Re: £300 New Year. Deep Stack @ DTD
Post by: dtm75 on January 13, 2015, 01:13:32 PM
Excellent comments so far.  Appreciated.

Think I'd convinced myself on that turn, he couldn't/wouldn't have AA or AK given his sizing, as he's only extracting any kind of action from anything other than KK/AQ/A8.

Am guessing that not knowing any of you guys / my table, was a disadvantage.  Would love to hear from anyone on my table who witnessed said hand.


Title: Re: £300 New Year. Deep Stack @ DTD
Post by: Oxford_HRV on January 14, 2015, 02:02:24 PM
i think villain being presumed to lead out for ~pot always after showing pre flop aggression is purely down to him not missing any flops so far or catching a weak part. i think flatting the 3b isnt fantastic vs this guy as i doubt he pots as a bluff or to protect a pair e.g 88's on T42, and 3bing tendencies would help, and so would your image, i think i 4b here nearly all the time vs an opponent like this, plus the image created of looking like you dont open light and playing back at btn 3 bets. flop you could hero fold, turn you can never fold.