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If you put Celtic into a large, (make that very large) bath and filled it with water he would float, but what would happen if you put him into a Celtic shaped bath with only a fag-paper thickness of clearance between his skin and the sides, so that you could fill the resulting gap with less than a gallon of water. Would he float then?

Dis place is mad.

no

For an object to float it has to displace water that weighs the same amount as that object.

So no.

Why not?

Because Archimedes says not.

Is he the bloke from Nando's?

Yes that's him. The guiy who puts the sauce on the hot wings.

Is it celtic's birthday?

You do realise that if teamonkey is right, we can get a gallon of water, drown Celtic, and have have enough left over to make a cup of tea.

Evil Pie has already answered the question

for an object to float in a liquid, it has to displace the volume of liquid equal in weight to the item's own weight


so all that would happen is that celtic would get moist

and possibly a bit annoyed

and probably hungry

Your answer was much more insulting entertaining though.

This stopped me going to sleep!!

I am wrong; if the bath was shaped correctly, taking into account the shape of Celtic while suspended in water, then yes, he could indeed float in a very small amount of water.

The reason for this is that his body will have effectively displaced the water by occupying the space the water would have been in.

I'm not sure of the exact minimum amount or thickness of the water layer required between Celtic and the bath wall, but I imagine theoretically he could float on less than a couple of mm of water.

He'd still get wet and cross at your experiments during his bath time

Why did he have bought a Celtic shaped bath if it wasn't to do this experiment?  Surely if he intended to have a bath, he'd just buy a normal shaped bath, albeit one that was a bit wider than the average bath.

No. He wouldn't float unless the water he displaced was heavier than he was.

Unless the bath is big enough to hold his weight in water without it spilling over the edge when he gets in, he cant float.

Incred thread. Like a 'in the well' with me, but a bath instead.

For the record, I can't swim. I don't think I have ever floated unaided in my life.

Hope that helps :)

You float unaided through mtt's most times u play them!  ;D

Sorry Red, he will still float.

Best way to think about this is instead of something odd shaped like celtic, use something regular shaped like a cube, now for an object to float its density must be less than the medium it is floating in, so a cube of some non permeable plastic will do this, if the cube is 10x10x10 cm, when floating in the water 1cm is above the water level.

Put said cube into a full bath of water, Where it will float, with, as said before,  1cm showing, so it has displaced 10x10x9 cm of water. Measure this amount of water, which will be 900cubic cm of water.

Now take a bath that measures 11x11x10 cm, and fill in to the brim again with water. This time when you put the cube in the bath, you will see that it also floats, with the same 1cm showing out of the water, so again it has displaced the same volume of water, ie 10x10x9cm =900 cubic cm.

Repeat the experimeny by slowly making the bath smaller and you will see that an object will float in a very small amount of water indeed.

Substitute the regular shaped object and bath for celtic, repeat experiment, and you will find that celtic will float, and be hungry at the same time

Now, whats your thoughts on Schroedingers celtic, where if celtic and a plate of nandos chicken are placed in a box, the chicken could be both eaten AND untouched at the same time!

Sorry tea, you're wrong.

Gravity us pulling the water towards the bottom of the bath. It is also pulling Celtic towards the bottom of the bath, but water, by volume, is heavier than Celtic.

If the size of the bath is reduced to a point where it won't hold more than Celtic's weight in water he cannot possibly float. Otherwise he would be able to float by wearing sweaty trainers.

Not sure if serious

And here he is.


(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9n1ynksOJ1rafupso1_500.jpg)

Have you tried emptying the bath and filling it up again?

Lol. I am serious.


If you get into a brimming bath, you will push almost your weight's worth out. It will spill over the side.

A stone of water can't support 20 stones of Celtic.


Help me out here someone....

Imagine sticking your finger into a thimble full of water. The water would get out of the way.

I'm no expert but this is all about volume and density and not weight. He would only float if there was enough water left in the bath for him to float in. i.e. Celtic was not touching the sides. Much like when he eats a Nandos.

Of course it's about weight. If he were made of polystyrene he would float in less water than if he were made of lead.

Floating is not about touching the sides, it's about not touching the bottom.

.YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0SnFCs9z1g

Nope sorry Red you are wrong. The lead would sink because of its density and not because of its weight.  If you had a rock (lets call it a stone) that weighed 14lb and some polystyrene that weighed 14lb and placed it in a lake, the stone would sink but the polystyrene would float. The reason for that is density. The volume (size) of the polystyrene would be far greater.

If the bath was round would there still be a bottom? If the bath was square would the Nandos have to be medium?

I don't like that video. There are too many different variables for a straight comparison, solid objects, hollow objects all act different. The reason a ship doesn't sink is not because steel is lighter than water it's because the shape of the ship. If you melted a ship down and moulded it into a solid block it would sink.

What if your 14lb stone was shaped like a 1mm thick 10ft diameter dish? What if your 14lb polystyrene was compressed to the size of a house brick?

Concrete barges float because they are lighter than the volume of water they would displace if they were submerged.

Celtic would displace more than the weight of a gallon of water.

Correct. And if you inflated Celtic to the size of a barrage balloon he would float in less water.

But that's about the shape again and not the weight. Try this at home- get a saucer and place it on top of a sink full of water, if you did this carefully and no water got on to the top of the saucer it has a good chance to float. Now while the saucer is floating poor some water on top of the saucer. Chances are that it will sink. The same goes for a concrete barge or steel ship.

If the density of the polystyrene molecules hasn't changed then it would still float.

But Celtic is denser than polystyrene. How can 8lbs of water float him?

If you filled some wellies up with water and he put them on, would he float?

If it helps.....

This is all about volume and density.

Celtic and water are equally as dense (in more ways than one)

Therefore it becomes about weight.

Red,

he would float

i promise

not too sure how i can explain this though so that you'd get it

remember, the longer we discuss this, the more nando's celtic will consume

Sorry but this won't work. There is sufficient water in your 11x11x10 bath but as soon as you put your 10x10x10  cube in it the water will start to spill over the sides and no longer be able to provide any downwards force against the cube.

For this to work you'd need the bath to have a volume of 1900 cm cubed then you'd have your 1cm of cube poking out the top. Any smaller and I'm afraid that cube is going down......

If this is true then it must also be true that if we make the bath sufficiently snug Celtic will float on air.

Your floaty example seems to be relying on something other than displacement such as friction. If Celtic can prevent the small amount of water from escaping from underneath him then yes he will float but as soon as it leaves the bath and can't act downwards against him he's sinking.

All the debating is really quite interesting but there is one thing that is missing - Does Celtic ever have a bath?

I'm not sure this counts as debating.

Would this be a debate:

"2 + 2 = 5"

"2 + 2 =  4"

"2 + 2 = 4 and a little bit then...."

"Nope it's still 4"

no no no

in both examples of mine, the same amount of water is displaced

the volume of the cube in the water is 10x10x9

therefore the volume displaced by the cube is always going to be 10x10x9

that volume will not change no matter how big the bath is provided that bath itself is larger than 10x10x9

no substitue the cube for celtic, and change the shape of the bah from a cube to a "celtic" and you will see that i am right

it's not about how much water is still in the bath, its about how much water the item, ie celtic, displaces, if there is still water in the bath and the "celtic" is not touching any surfaces, then he is floating

I guess 2 + 2 is 5 then.

which part am i not explaining properly?

So what if you take your 11 x 11 x 10 bath and only half fill it with water meaning that there's only 605cm cubed available to be displaced.

Will your 10x10x10 float now that there isn't 900cm cubed available to be displaced in the first place?

The factual bit  :dontask:

imagine that the bath of 11x11x10 is a complete cube, in effect it is open topped, but imagine it as a cube

the volume of that cube would be 1210 cubic cm

if you put in 605 cubic cm of water, the other part of that, the volume above the water, would be 605 cubic cm of air

as you start to lower the 10x10x10 cube into the bath you start to displace the air, then when the cube touches the water and starts to lower into it, the water level appears to rise, but until the water reaches the top the volume of water in the bath is still the same, the only thing changing is that there is more "cube" and less air.

once the water starts to overflow, there is no more air left to displace, and it is water being displaced instead

eventually the cube will no longer go any lower in the water, and will, in our example, have 1cm above the water level (10x10x1 cubic cm)

does that make sense now? 

i'm not a teacher, btw, so it could well be my explanation that is lacking

This is so much fun :)

Yes I know what you're saying now.

If we assume a 10x10x10 cube with zero density.

In order for that cube to sink in water so that only 1cm was exposed out of the water you'd need 900cm cubed of water in it.

Now whether you put that cube in the ocean, a bath, a bucket or a cube of 10.1x10.1x10.1cm there's always going to be 1cm of cubed exposed at the top.

How's that :D

So basically we need to put celtic in a blender, thivken him up a bit so he's the same density as water, transfer him to a bath then stick that bath in a slightly larger bath to prove that he'd float.

Sounds like something for the next blonde bash.

This is like tag-debating. Who's next up?

Close enough for non science types, glad we have sorted this out.

Now, is Celtic hungry or not

You just lost all credibility!!!

God Bless you Matt.

Bobalike and Evilpie look like they should be 2 extras from football factory yet here they are showing us they are some of the finest minds Blonde has.

No wonder the site is in decline....