Title: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: Woodsey on January 25, 2015, 06:12:56 PM Most are a load of bullshit as far as I'm concerned. However, I do think the death of Princess Diana stunk to high heaven and she was probably murdered because she was simply too popular, and the Royal Family would never have been able to brush her under the carpet.
Anyone else believe any conspiracy theories? Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: Waz1892 on January 25, 2015, 06:14:51 PM Does JFK count? LHO stiched up
Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: Woodsey on January 25, 2015, 06:20:21 PM Does JFK count? LHO stiched up Any if you believe it mate. Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: Whollyflush on January 25, 2015, 06:47:36 PM We didn't land on the moon.
9/11 was an inside job. I do love a good conspiracy theory Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: The Camel on January 25, 2015, 06:47:45 PM The only conspiracy theory I have any time for is that the fourth plane on 9/11 was shot down.
I mean, it makes sense, the US home defence forces have seen the terrible damage the first 3 planes have done and they have no clue where this one is headed. Shooting it down makes sense, but it also makes sense for them not to admit it initially because they would be worried how public opinion would react. As it was I think most people would accept the action as the lesser of two evils, but once they had claimed the passengers had brought it down, they felt they couldn't go back on their story. Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: Marky147 on January 25, 2015, 06:52:09 PM I've got more important things to worry about, than if we really landed on the Moon, or if that plane really hit the pentagon...
I don't particularly mind those who choose to believe their alternative theories, but I do tell them to take a running jump if they start insisting that I read all the stuff that they have. Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: Marky147 on January 25, 2015, 06:54:18 PM I had that written out about 15 minutes ago, but the phone went, and I had to answer it in the kitchen :D
Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: Waz1892 on January 25, 2015, 07:12:10 PM I had that written out about 15 minutes ago, but the phone went, and I had to answer it in the kitchen :D Likely story! Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: Whollyflush on January 25, 2015, 07:15:46 PM I've got more important things to worry about, than if we really landed on the Moon, or if that plane really hit the pentagon... I don't particularly mind those who choose to believe their alternative theories, but I do tell them to take a running jump if they start insisting that I read all the stuff that they have. Peculiar stance to have. So your basically saying its fine for others to have an opposing opinion to yourself, but you have absolutely zero interest in what people say or at least opening up yourself to question things that have /have not happened. Fwiw i absolutely could be wrong about both but I've watched alot of documentaries on both and that is what I conclude until i gain further/better knowledge. One thing I would say is media in this country and the US has come under increased scrutiny mainly through social media i.e phone tapping scandal and Fox News ridiculous partisan approach to Broadcasting, highlights how life is lived in shades of grey and not black and white. edit: oh and we can throw the Hillsborough coverage into the pot aswell and how things have materiailsed over time. Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: Doobs on January 25, 2015, 07:21:13 PM I've got more important things to worry about, than if we really landed on the Moon, or if that plane really hit the pentagon... I don't particularly mind those who choose to believe their alternative theories, but I do tell them to take a running jump if they start insisting that I read all the stuff that they have. Peculiar stance to have. So your basically saying its fine for others to have an opposing opinion to yourself, but you have absolutely zero interest in what people say or at least opening up yourself to question things that have /have not happened. Fwiw i absolutely could be wrong about both but I've watched alot of documentaries on both and that is what I conclude until i gain further/better knowledge. One thing I would say is media in this country and the US has come under increased scrutiny mainly through social media i.e phone tapping scandal and Fox News ridiculous partisan approach to Broadcasting, highlights how life is lived in shades of grey and not black and white. 9/11 is pretty black and white ffs. Step away from the thread... Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: Marky147 on January 25, 2015, 07:23:24 PM I had that written out about 15 minutes ago, but the phone went, and I had to answer it in the kitchen :D Likely story! Those were just the first two that came to mind. I've got more important things to worry about, than if we really landed on the Moon, or if that plane really hit the pentagon... I don't particularly mind those who choose to believe their alternative theories, but I do tell them to take a running jump if they start insisting that I read all the stuff that they have. Peculiar stance to have. So your basically saying its fine for others to have an opposing opinion to yourself, but you have absolutely zero interest in what people say or at least opening up yourself to question things that have /have not happened. Fwiw i absolutely could be wrong about both but I've watched alot of documentaries on both and that is what I conclude until i gain further/better knowledge. One thing I would say is media in this country and the US has come under increased scrutiny mainly through social media i.e phone tapping scandal and Fox News ridiculous partisan approach to Broadcasting, highlights how life is lived in shades of grey and not black and white. Sorry, I should have been a bit more expansive with my initial post, but was distracted, and just clicked post... I have watched several programmes, as well as reading articles, and am quite happy that what we have been told happened, is what actually did happen. Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: Whollyflush on January 25, 2015, 07:28:00 PM I've got more important things to worry about, than if we really landed on the Moon, or if that plane really hit the pentagon... I don't particularly mind those who choose to believe their alternative theories, but I do tell them to take a running jump if they start insisting that I read all the stuff that they have. Peculiar stance to have. So your basically saying its fine for others to have an opposing opinion to yourself, but you have absolutely zero interest in what people say or at least opening up yourself to question things that have /have not happened. Fwiw i absolutely could be wrong about both but I've watched alot of documentaries on both and that is what I conclude until i gain further/better knowledge. One thing I would say is media in this country and the US has come under increased scrutiny mainly through social media i.e phone tapping scandal and Fox News ridiculous partisan approach to Broadcasting, highlights how life is lived in shades of grey and not black and white. 9/11 is pretty black and white ffs. Step away from the thread... Nice way to stifle debate, I'll retreat and let the big boys debate. Nice thread subject though Woodsey Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: Royal Flush on January 25, 2015, 07:32:06 PM The only conspiracy theory I have any time for is that the fourth plane on 9/11 was shot down. I mean, it makes sense, the US home defence forces have seen the terrible damage the first 3 planes have done and they have no clue where this one is headed. Shooting it down makes sense, but it also makes sense for them not to admit it initially because they would be worried how public opinion would react. As it was I think most people would accept the action as the lesser of two evils, but once they had claimed the passengers had brought it down, they felt they couldn't go back on their story. The only thing that counters this is that US confirmed the order was given to take the a/c out, as it happened it came down before that could be done. Interestingly the female pilot of the F-16 that was tasked with the intercept had no weapons on board so was going to have to just fly into the airliner.... Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: Waz1892 on January 25, 2015, 07:35:06 PM I had that written out about 15 minutes ago, but the phone went, and I had to answer it in the kitchen :D Likely story! Those were just the first two that came to mind Just my little joke, as in conspiracy theory on why it took so long Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: Marky147 on January 25, 2015, 07:37:08 PM I had that written out about 15 minutes ago, but the phone went, and I had to answer it in the kitchen :D Likely story! Those were just the first two that came to mind Just my little joke, as in conspiracy theory on why it took so long ;D Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: mulhuzz on January 25, 2015, 07:55:22 PM bit like religion isn't it.
people can believe whatever the fuck they want to believe in, as soon as there's any credible, testable evidence then the rest of us can start caring. until then, just let people get on with it. Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: Kmac84 on January 25, 2015, 07:57:37 PM I think there is enough evidence to conclude that in almost every major incident that has happened and considered a conspiracy that there is more to it than meets the eye.
This side of the Atlantic look at events there have been public enquiries into and the level of corruption from top down is staggerring. The two best examples would be Bloody Sunday and Hillsborough. There are many other instances especially in Ireland over the years of the role the state played in numerous events. Willie McCraes death was bizarre. Given what has since come out about the paedo rings at the highest echelons of British society is again comes as no surprise that he was killed. Jill Dando would be another. That was just all very weird. Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: AndrewT on January 25, 2015, 08:24:47 PM Jill Dando would be another. That was just all very weird. The rumour about Jill Dando was that she'd become aware of the whole Westminster paedo thing. Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: The Camel on January 25, 2015, 08:31:09 PM I think there is enough evidence to conclude that in almost every major incident that has happened and considered a conspiracy that there is more to it than meets the eye. This side of the Atlantic look at events there have been public enquiries into and the level of corruption from top down is staggerring. The two best examples would be Bloody Sunday and Hillsborough. There are many other instances especially in Ireland over the years of the role the state played in numerous events. Willie McCraes death was bizarre. Given what has since come out about the paedo rings at the highest echelons of British society is again comes as no surprise that he was killed. Jill Dando would be another. That was just all very weird. I saw a really weird, long conspiracy theory involving the deaths of Jill Dando, Mike Smith and Rik Mayall. Found it: https://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2014/11/29/the-mysterious-death-of-mike-smith/ Now 5 years ago I would have said this was complete bullshit. But the whole child abuse thing runs so deep, with so many famous people and politicians involved, I don't know what to believe any more. How on earth did Jimmy Savile get away with it for so long? 40 odd years of horrific aabuse. He must have had friends in high places making sure he wasn't arrested or allegations printed about him in newspapers. If we assume that is true, then why would would they do it? The most logical explanation is Jimmy had information on people he would reveal if he ever got nicked. Layers upon layers of cover ups. It really is frightening stuff. Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: Junior Senior on January 25, 2015, 08:34:14 PM Online poker is rigged.
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Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: The Camel on January 25, 2015, 08:40:42 PM Online poker is rigged. Really quite amazing after the UB scandal that online poker has continued to flourish. I guess it would take a similar scandal at Stars before people finally started to doubt online poker Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: AndrewT on January 25, 2015, 10:42:13 PM I think there is enough evidence to conclude that in almost every major incident that has happened and considered a conspiracy that there is more to it than meets the eye. This side of the Atlantic look at events there have been public enquiries into and the level of corruption from top down is staggerring. The two best examples would be Bloody Sunday and Hillsborough. There are many other instances especially in Ireland over the years of the role the state played in numerous events. Willie McCraes death was bizarre. Given what has since come out about the paedo rings at the highest echelons of British society is again comes as no surprise that he was killed. Jill Dando would be another. That was just all very weird. I saw a really weird, long conspiracy theory involving the deaths of Jill Dando, Mike Smith and Rik Mayall. Found it: https://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2014/11/29/the-mysterious-death-of-mike-smith/ Now 5 years ago I would have said this was complete bullshit. But the whole child abuse thing runs so deep, with so many famous people and politicians involved, I don't know what to believe any more. How on earth did Jimmy Savile get away with it for so long? 40 odd years of horrific aabuse. He must have had friends in high places making sure he wasn't arrested or allegations printed about him in newspapers. If we assume that is true, then why would would they do it? The most logical explanation is Jimmy had information on people he would reveal if he ever got nicked. Layers upon layers of cover ups. It really is frightening stuff. Savile used to spend Christmas with the Thatchers, he was friends with Prince Charles - you don't get that close to people that high up without the security services giving you a thorough vetting, so it would have been impossible for them not to know about Savile, so why did he still get access to them? He must have been untouchable because of what he knew. If anything happened to him, he'd have made sure info came out. It's inconceivable that Thatcher didn't know about Leon Brittan (indeed, there's one story that she personally intervened one one occasion when Brittan was caught 'at it' to ensure the police investigation stopped). Another thing has just occurred to me - Leon Brittan had been ill with cancer for some time, though this only was made public once he'd died. However William Hague said in the HoP that 'many of us who have known him for a long time will know that he had been ill for many months'. So top people would have known that Brittan was on his way out soon. So it does seem less than coincidental that in the wake of Savile, and rumours of Wesminster being involved, that the allegations against Brittan suddenly became more widespread over the past six months - it's almost as if it had been decided that he was going to be the scapegoat for all of this. Have a relatively minor scandal about some dead nonce, the public make a link in their own minds that all that Westminster paedo stuff was Brittan and he's dead now so forget about it, the non-happening child abuse scandal drifts out of view and we're back to normal. Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: The Camel on January 25, 2015, 11:03:14 PM I think there is enough evidence to conclude that in almost every major incident that has happened and considered a conspiracy that there is more to it than meets the eye. This side of the Atlantic look at events there have been public enquiries into and the level of corruption from top down is staggerring. The two best examples would be Bloody Sunday and Hillsborough. There are many other instances especially in Ireland over the years of the role the state played in numerous events. Willie McCraes death was bizarre. Given what has since come out about the paedo rings at the highest echelons of British society is again comes as no surprise that he was killed. Jill Dando would be another. That was just all very weird. I saw a really weird, long conspiracy theory involving the deaths of Jill Dando, Mike Smith and Rik Mayall. Found it: https://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2014/11/29/the-mysterious-death-of-mike-smith/ Now 5 years ago I would have said this was complete bullshit. But the whole child abuse thing runs so deep, with so many famous people and politicians involved, I don't know what to believe any more. How on earth did Jimmy Savile get away with it for so long? 40 odd years of horrific aabuse. He must have had friends in high places making sure he wasn't arrested or allegations printed about him in newspapers. If we assume that is true, then why would would they do it? The most logical explanation is Jimmy had information on people he would reveal if he ever got nicked. Layers upon layers of cover ups. It really is frightening stuff. Savile used to spend Christmas with the Thatchers, he was friends with Prince Charles - you don't get that close to people that high up without the security services giving you a thorough vetting, so it would have been impossible for them not to know about Savile, so why did he still get access to them? He must have been untouchable because of what he knew. If anything happened to him, he'd have made sure info came out. It's inconceivable that Thatcher didn't know about Leon Brittan (indeed, there's one story that she personally intervened one one occasion when Brittan was caught 'at it' to ensure the police investigation stopped). Another thing has just occurred to me - Leon Brittan had been ill with cancer for some time, though this only was made public once he'd died. However William Hague said in the HoP that 'many of us who have known him for a long time will know that he had been ill for many months'. So top people would have known that Brittan was on his way out soon. So it does seem less than coincidental that in the wake of Savile, and rumours of Wesminster being involved, that the allegations against Brittan suddenly became more widespread over the past six months - it's almost as if it had been decided that he was going to be the scapegoat for all of this. Have a relatively minor scandal about some dead nonce, the public make a link in their own minds that all that Westminster paedo stuff was Brittan and he's dead now so forget about it, the non-happening child abuse scandal drifts out of view and we're back to normal. Not only that but if they knew he was dying, then the delays in the inquiry - picking completely unsuitable people to chair it - mean that he has died before he can give evidence. Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: redsimon on January 25, 2015, 11:22:40 PM According to that blog Keith linked too its all a Jewish conspiracy... yawn
Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: horseplayer on January 25, 2015, 11:31:07 PM I think there is enough evidence to conclude that in almost every major incident that has happened and considered a conspiracy that there is more to it than meets the eye. This side of the Atlantic look at events there have been public enquiries into and the level of corruption from top down is staggerring. The two best examples would be Bloody Sunday and Hillsborough. There are many other instances especially in Ireland over the years of the role the state played in numerous events. Willie McCraes death was bizarre. Given what has since come out about the paedo rings at the highest echelons of British society is again comes as no surprise that he was killed. Jill Dando would be another. That was just all very weird. I saw a really weird, long conspiracy theory involving the deaths of Jill Dando, Mike Smith and Rik Mayall. Found it: https://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2014/11/29/the-mysterious-death-of-mike-smith/ Now 5 years ago I would have said this was complete bullshit. But the whole child abuse thing runs so deep, with so many famous people and politicians involved, I don't know what to believe any more. How on earth did Jimmy Savile get away with it for so long? 40 odd years of horrific aabuse. He must have had friends in high places making sure he wasn't arrested or allegations printed about him in newspapers. If we assume that is true, then why would would they do it? The most logical explanation is Jimmy had information on people he would reveal if he ever got nicked. Layers upon layers of cover ups. It really is frightening stuff. Savile used to spend Christmas with the Thatchers, he was friends with Prince Charles - you don't get that close to people that high up without the security services giving you a thorough vetting, so it would have been impossible for them not to know about Savile, so why did he still get access to them? He must have been untouchable because of what he knew. If anything happened to him, he'd have made sure info came out. It's inconceivable that Thatcher didn't know about Leon Brittan (indeed, there's one story that she personally intervened one one occasion when Brittan was caught 'at it' to ensure the police investigation stopped). Another thing has just occurred to me - Leon Brittan had been ill with cancer for some time, though this only was made public once he'd died. However William Hague said in the HoP that 'many of us who have known him for a long time will know that he had been ill for many months'. So top people would have known that Brittan was on his way out soon. So it does seem less than coincidental that in the wake of Savile, and rumours of Wesminster being involved, that the allegations against Brittan suddenly became more widespread over the past six months - it's almost as if it had been decided that he was going to be the scapegoat for all of this. Have a relatively minor scandal about some dead nonce, the public make a link in their own minds that all that Westminster paedo stuff was Brittan and he's dead now so forget about it, the non-happening child abuse scandal drifts out of view and we're back to normal. Not only that but if they knew he was dying, then the delays in the inquiry - picking completely unsuitable people to chair it - mean that he has died before he can give evidence. Read this blog before Ignoring parts of it which are just silly there are a hell of a lot of links as Andrew says above. It is very easy to believe what we are told by the media, not sure how many more events like the ones mentioned it will take for people to think a bit more for themselves. Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: DungBeetle on January 26, 2015, 02:29:21 PM What about that Dr Kelly one? There were some medical reports casting doubt on suicide for that one from memory.
Title: Re: Conspiracy theories that you actually believe Post by: Kmac84 on January 26, 2015, 09:50:24 PM What about that Dr Kelly one? There were some medical reports casting doubt on suicide for that one from memory. From what I read the spooks had their dirty hands all over this one. |