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Does anyone play this game, either regular or Hi Lo?

I've been working a lot on my game and I really like playing. So different from NLH. Very difficult to multitable, but sometimes I throw in a tourney or two in my schedule, or dabble in a bit of cash on Stars when I can avoid the Chinese colluders. I've got a lot lot better but I'm sure I still make basic mistakes.

I will post interesting hands as/when I get them if anyone else plays the game.

Please do. There are quite a few mixed game players on blonde.

I have played a lot of superstud - which is pot limit high low stud with a roll your own twist at the start (dealt 5 cards face down, throw two away and keep 3, and choose which one is your upcard). It is a staple in most DC games. Very good game, and very different skills required to most of the other games in the mix.

I would love to try Superstud, but I've only ever heard of it being played in a DC game in UK casinos. so I've never had the chance. Sounds like quite a unique game though.

pot. repot. GET THERE <3

Played heaps of stud in my time, I echo your thoughts on it being great fun. Stars cash games are just worthless though. I don't know how they get away with it.

Prefer playing Stud/8 over straight Stud, but I grind it online fairly regularly.

Same with Razz, probably my favourite game overall - maybe the only person in the world to ever say that.

FYP

SuperStud seems to be on the rotation in a few of the limit mixed games in Las Vegas now.

A much more sedated version without the constant re-potting, but it's nice to see it getting some traction elsewhere.

Aren't almost all online stud games fixed-limit?

There used to be some PL7Stud cash action on the old Laddies site but that was probably around ten years ago.

I can't say I've ever seen any Pot Limit or No Limit stud games online.

Pokerstars have recently added No Limit 2-7 Triple Draw for some reason, so there might be a small glimmer of hope for Pot Limit/No Limit Stud hi/lo so we can have something reasonably similar to SuperStud online.

There is a Pot Limit Stud tournament at EPt Malta which I might end up playing.

Much prefer Pot Limit to no limit in these games. No limit 2-7 Triple Draw seems ridiculous

Ladbrokes Razz was played pot limit until a year or two ago.

I'm claiming spot #2 in the Ransom club.

#3 For Razz then, love it. Looking forward to APAT's Razz event at Aspers Stratford on 2nd April, been 2nd and 3rd last two years, time to win it :)

Would love to hear Honeybadger's views on Superstud, played it a lot in DC games in Notts 2002 to 2005 but very rusty, sure I make loads of mistakes when I dip into it nowadays.

What you wanna know? :)

The common mistakes even "good" players make in 7 card?

Trap hands and scenarios.

Just picking your brains tbh :) Appreciate if you want to keep your cards close to your chest!

How good is a23 with both 2 spades ace and not.
is a26 trash? Let's say in a 6 handed game First to act. Then the button.
how big is a meh trips hand? 999 let's say

A23 (with or without a two flush) is a massively over-valued hand. Don't get me wrong, it is a good hand and it is almost always playable. And it plays fairly well in both HU and multiway pots. But it is by no means a great hand. It cannot catch a single card on 4th street that can make it want to go to war/bet the farm. It's high potential is really two gutshots, after all. It requires both a 4 AND a 5 to produce a hand that wants to play a big pot.



Yes it is total trash. Can be used to steal the blinds from the BTN, and (perhaps) as an overlimp in LP vs a very weak and passive field. When playing this sort of crappy hand most of the profit comes from stealing the pot on 4th or 5th when you catch a scary board and your opponents catch bad. Or from reading hands well and manipulating opponents into making bad decisions (usually in small/medium pots) e.g. when you make some semi-decent two way hand and get them to pay off when you scoop... or from when you can get them to fold a hand that wins one side of the pot, and thus you manage to scoop a small pot. When UTG A26 is a very clear fold. Some people will routinely play this sort of hand (and worse) from all positions though, which is one reason why the DC games are so good.


Big trips is usually considered to be a premium hand, but really it is not. When short stacked big trips truly is a premium hand. But the deeper the money gets the more of a trap hand it becomes. There are two reasons for this.

1) When you play a hand like (99)9... well, everyone knows what you have. It is tough to make money when your opponents know your cards! Of course, some people play hands like KK(9) or (TcJc)9c. In this case when they turn over a 9 their opponents cannot be completely certain that they have 999. But the problem with this is that playing (KK)9 or (JT)9 type hands is a huge money losing play.

2) The second reason why big trips is a trouble hand (when deep) is a structural one. Every other premium hand (stuff like 3s4s5s etc) GAINS equity down the streets. However, big trips LOSES equity down the streets. On 3rd street it has dominating equity against any hand (except bigger trips ldo), by 4th it is often only 50/50 or sometimes even a small dog, and by 5th street it can sometimes be drawing to maybe get half the pot. And that's not to mention 6th and 7th streets. That's why I do not consider a hand like JJJ a true premium hand unless the money is short - because its equity is not robust at all, it vanishes quickly down the streets. And often it is not even possible to realise this equity - e.g. when an opponent has clearly made a low and is now on a freeroll and the player with JJJ has to either fold, thus failing to realise his equity, or allow himself to be completely freerolled for a large sum of money.

Small trips are, of course, extremely good hands. Partly because of the fact that they block opponents making a small straight. But mainly because of the deception they contain - when you turn over a 5 your opponents cannot automatically know you have trips. 888 and 777 are unique hands and fall into their own category, and there is a special play that you can make which is to do with these 'mid-trip' hands. But I am going to keep that one secret because I think I am the only person that has worked it out... ;)

Good to see my musings about super stud weren't completely off. How would you rate 567 and 678. I presume 456 is much better than both of these and 567 > 678 but just how large is the difference? All these games are such cons. Nittiness is so highly rewarded but people think its a gambling game.

I am not going to comment publicly on playing 876/765 type hands, because I know something about these hands that (as far as I know) no-one else does. I can talk to you about it privately though if you want?

I do not agree that Superstud is a con. I do believe that 5 or 6 card High Low Omaha is a con - for the exact reason you mentioned. But Superstud is actually a very deep game, with a lot of nuances. And it requires a highly developed skillset to play well (and moreover one which is very, very different to the skillset required to play community card games such as NLHE and PLO). It is not like 6 card PLO8 where basically the only winning strategy is to play very tight ABC poker and let the mugs who think it is a 'gambling game' GIVE you their money.

Used to play a lot of mixed games, in fact my biggest cash win in terms of BB was a 2-8 spread limit Razz game in Vegas in 2011.

Havent played for 18 months or so but am currently relearning Stud by video/book before sticking £200 on Stars at the end of the month to play .5/1 on there.

Regular stud moving up past the .50/1 limit becomes a either a massive reg fest, or tables full of the Chinese collusion teams. Stud/8 has a little more action in it, but again once you get up to $2/$4 and $3/$6+, it's the same people day in, day out and there's no real soft spots like you can find at Holdem.

Razz seems to have a larger degree of fun player up to $10/$20 limit, worth looking into if you plan on playing stud games online. It can be quite rewarding once you get into the swing of it, and know which players are making amazing mistakes on a regular basis. 

At which casino did you play 2-8 Spread Limit razz? Sounds like my kind of game!

Sadly, it was the now defunct Tropicana :(


Yeah I know - the plan will be to play all 3 (Stud8 is my weakest hence my focus is on that and regular Stud) with maybe the odd 8-game thrown in to keep tables running.