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Title: SB vs BB $10 NL Pokerstars
Post by: Red_Baron on April 02, 2015, 04:51:52 PM
Did I play this awfully? I would really appreciate some feedback on how I played this hand and how I could have played it differently.

Folds around to me in SB. I have just joined the table and have no history with this player. We both have $10. Blinds obviously $0.05 & $0.10

Hero:  Ahrt Jc
Villain: ??

Hero raises to $0.30
Villain calls

Flop:  Aspades  6c  3s

Pot size - $0.60

Hero bets $0.40
Villain calls

Turn:  Kh
Board:  Aspades  6c  3s  Kh

Pot size - $1.40

Hero bets $0.85
Villain raises to $1.70
Hero calls

River:  2c
Board:  Aspades 6c  3s  Kh  2c

Pot size: $4.80

Hero bets $2.60
Villain raises to $5.30
Hero calls

Villain shows pockes sixes for the flopped set.

I am not playing much poker at the minute but I am really looking to get into it and I would really appreciate it if anyone would be able to shed some light on where I have gone wrong on this hand and what I should be doing differently.

Thanks very much


Title: Re: SB vs BB $10 NL Pokerstars
Post by: muckthenuts on April 02, 2015, 06:52:46 PM
Pre and flop are perfect!

Readless i'd fold the turn once raised. As a general read people tend to have it at this stake level when they do this and the sizing also seems very strong.

As played river i wouldn't have led out either, it doesn't achieve anything really. Could you share why you decided to do it? Hopefully it'll help you improve.  


Title: Re: SB vs BB $10 NL Pokerstars
Post by: Red_Baron on April 03, 2015, 01:56:27 PM
I don't know why I led out on the river. Looking back I can see that it was the wrong thing to do here. If I check the river is there any bet sizing that I can call from him?

The reason I did it I suppose is probably something to do with me thinking its blind vs blind and thinking "he can't have anything because its BB vs SB and he thinks I'm at it therefore I think he's at it". Obviously this is the wrong way to think and it cost me this time.


Title: Re: SB vs BB $10 NL Pokerstars
Post by: Tal on April 03, 2015, 02:49:11 PM
He might have a hand like  Ks Qs, which he might play the same way...until the river. Very unlikely he decides to turn this into a bluff, though.

The thing is, you have to consider what he believes you have. You've called preflop and have led twice on an ace high board with two spades showing. You won't have a small pair  to barrel the turn, so it's highly likely you have an ace. You've called pre, donk-led the flop, bet the turn and called a raise and still bet the river.

Why would he raise you on the river unless he's ahead?


Title: Re: SB vs BB $10 NL Pokerstars
Post by: pleno1 on April 03, 2015, 03:09:51 PM
I think the hand is played perfect if you fold to
The river raise.


Title: Re: SB vs BB $10 NL Pokerstars
Post by: Tal on April 03, 2015, 03:13:18 PM
I think the hand is played perfect if you fold to
The river raise.

Would you bet slightly smaller on the river, Pleno? It's really a blocker bet, isn't it?


Title: Re: SB vs BB $10 NL Pokerstars
Post by: SteveF on April 04, 2015, 11:19:31 AM
The click-back raise on the turn is just such a giveaway at this level imo. It's almost never a bluff and minimum two pairs. As Tal says, it's possible it's a pair plus a flush draw but I think most of the time top pair is just crushed. People get stubborn in the blinds. Could have been something as random as 63/K6/K3.


Title: Re: SB vs BB $10 NL Pokerstars
Post by: shipitgood on April 04, 2015, 01:14:25 PM
How do they even do that click min back thingy:P

Just fold the turn mate, you are dead here a high % of the time.

When they min click it back as some one said it's almost always better than a 1 pair hand.

As played once you have called the Turn bet, just check fold the river.

There is no reason to bet the river.



Title: Re: SB vs BB $10 NL Pokerstars
Post by: pleno1 on April 04, 2015, 08:11:04 PM
Pre flop obviously good


Flop good sozing


Turn mandatory bet, he shouldn't have ak

When he min raises he's very likely to just be raising for value/protection/free showdown with ax so you can't fire the third bullet. 3betting this turn will very likely make him fold ax

River is great we still probably have the best hand. Maybe he puts us on a flush draw and by betting so small he will have to crying call ax.

When he raises he's simply not bluffing.


Wp


Title: Re: SB vs BB $10 NL Pokerstars
Post by: KingPush on April 09, 2015, 12:09:51 AM
Would play it the same but x/f river probably, I'd only call with 2 pair+


Title: Re: SB vs BB $10 NL Pokerstars
Post by: jgcblack on April 09, 2015, 02:24:14 PM
Pre flop obviously good


Flop good sozing


Turn mandatory bet, he shouldn't have ak

When he min raises he's very likely to just be raising for value/protection/free showdown with ax so you can't fire the third bullet. 3betting this turn will very likely make him fold ax

When he raises he's simply not bluffing!

Agree with a lot of what Pat has said here... I do however question to bolded bit, I have played a lot at this level... Possibly more than all but a tiny % of people on blonde.
In these situations, every single time I've seen a showdown and it's been any time of any day other than between 8pm Friday to 4am Saturday it has always been AK or better.

I have even had bottom set in this spot... and still it was only middle set.

It's exploitable that it is such an unbalanced spot... so much so that vs regs I've used it as a bluff line very occasionally.

As played the most key part of what patrick and the others said is the river point.  If we make it smaller it works the same as a blocker bet and we can get heroed if we are winning. However when we get raised.... he is absolutely not bluffing.


Title: Re: SB vs BB $10 NL Pokerstars
Post by: Rexas on April 11, 2015, 03:13:00 AM
Pre and flop are obviously totally fine and turn bet is also obviously fine, but I'm happy with folding the turn. I really, really don't think we're going to be getting bluffed very often here at all at this level, I've ground through this limit and so rarely find myself winning with one pair and a mediocre kicker to this line. Could well be wrong about that and its just my sample/results orientation, hard to ever question anything pleno says, but yh I just don't think we're going to have the best hand here and find that we'll often then end up putting more money in the pot otr (although I don't think it's mandatory as check calling river would, imo, be bad too), so I'd want to factor this into our turn decision and just fold.

I wouldn't think of leading river as played in game in this hand but I like it, although I would tend to do this more when I'm a bit more confident that villain isn't going to be pretty nutted (again that's just my impression of his turn range though). I would make it smaller if I was going to do this, but definitely folding to a raise if we take this line.