Title: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: bolt pp on January 30, 2006, 12:20:05 AM Poor Sir Alex, It's all come on top and he cant hack it anymore.
Not only are the once redoubtable Man u about as intimidating as an Eriksson law suit, but , the most over rated defender in the world is set to become the nucleus of the utd midfield. Ferdinand took it upon himself to have a little run around the midfield when he came on againt Burton last week, and relativly impressed. A week and a half later and it's turned into the twilight zone. Ferdinands running about the midfield like a muppet, trying to be Ronaldo. Poor Paul Ince, once himself the midfield rock of utd, could'nt concentrate through laughter, thus the SHOCK result. Ferdinand is an average defender devoid of pace, tecnical prowess, and tactical insight. If Sven in intent on revenge then he has been give the perfect platform on which to exact it. Lampard would be about as safe with Ferdinand just behind him as he would with Sweeny todd, getting ready to give him a short back and sides. Ferdinands' useless, Svens' a dougnut, and Fergersons' a mug. I'm going to e-mail the F.A, weve got to get the likes of Tim flowers and darren huckerby back on the firm!!!!!!!! Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: mystery721 on January 30, 2006, 12:26:38 AM lol........that is the funniest thing ive ever read!! ferdinand over rated?........lol hes the best defender in the world, noone and i mean noone is as cool and composed as he is in defence, he makes defending look the easiest thing in the world, wolves were lucky it wasnt 7-0........And that is now 12 FA Cup games without conceding a goal, cant be that bad in defence
Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: brad.strider on January 30, 2006, 12:28:12 AM i think the both of yous are extremely drunk!! :D
Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: snoopy1239 on January 30, 2006, 12:34:23 AM Not sure you can beat the legend that is...
Paul McGrath If he wasn't currently lining his stomach with ethanol, then I'd be tempted to stick him back in the Villa team. Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: jezza777 on January 30, 2006, 12:43:51 AM mr mcgrath would get in the Villa team wherever he chooses at the moment
Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: bolt pp on January 30, 2006, 01:26:26 AM Not sure you can beat the legend that is... I'm sure i've read you mentioning Mcgrath b4, what is it with you and him;-)Paul McGrath If he wasn't currently lining his stomach with ethanol, then I'd be tempted to stick him back in the Villa team. Maybe Erikkson will bring him back into the team :D Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: snoopy1239 on January 30, 2006, 01:45:33 AM Not sure you can beat the legend that is... I'm sure i've read you mentioning Mcgrath b4, what is it with you and him;-)Paul McGrath If he wasn't currently lining his stomach with ethanol, then I'd be tempted to stick him back in the Villa team. Maybe Erikkson will bring him back into the team :D That might be tricky. He's Irish. :) Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: bolt pp on January 30, 2006, 02:00:12 AM Not sure you can beat the legend that is... I'm sure i've read you mentioning Mcgrath b4, what is it with you and him;-)Paul McGrath If he wasn't currently lining his stomach with ethanol, then I'd be tempted to stick him back in the Villa team. Maybe Erikkson will bring him back into the team :D That might be tricky. He's Irish. :) Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: bolt pp on January 30, 2006, 02:45:03 AM lol........that is the funniest thing ive ever read!! ferdinand over rated?........lol hes the best defender in the world, noone and i mean noone is as cool and composed as he is in defence, he makes defending look the easiest thing in the world, wolves were lucky it wasnt 7-0........And that is now 12 FA Cup games without conceding a goal, cant be that bad in defence If it was twelve straight carling cup games maybe i'd listen!Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: bolt pp on January 30, 2006, 02:46:15 AM Not sure you can beat the legend that is... Is Suanders still helping out at villa, sven my give him another go when he turns up!Paul McGrath If he wasn't currently lining his stomach with ethanol, then I'd be tempted to stick him back in the Villa team. Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: ifm on January 30, 2006, 08:00:09 AM Saunders the welsh striker?
Ferdinand is lazy. McGrath is a legend. V**a are sh**e. Upson is the best central defender in the country. Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: Lancy Howard on January 30, 2006, 08:08:06 AM Whilst reading this I am reminded of a funny (and typical) piece of Irish humour. The returning Irish football squad (The Jack Charlton one) were given an open top bus celebration tour of Dublin on thier return from the world cup finals where they had played way above expectation and done themselves and the nation proud.
This happened to coincide with Nelson Mandellas visit to the fair isle who was given the same honour. As the bus passed the masses a smiling waving (and probably confused) Mr Mandela was greeted with the following chant ooh ahh Paul Mcraths DA ooh ahh Paul Mcraths DA (Da = Dadin Irish slang) ;D Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: SKIPPYSKIP on January 30, 2006, 01:18:08 PM Mystery I agree with you again, Ferdinand is one of the best defenders in the world has pace, can read the game but very lazy as publically known and against the european and south American teams he is always affective!
Knowing Rio personally from a young age how may of you knew that he was a Centre Forward up to the age of 16, then at Youth team level played in a 3 man midfield with Lampard and a guy called Chris Sains who was better at 18 than both of these put together, but didn't have is Dad and Uncle at the club or the influence of the Ferdinand football name. He was then at 17 while playing midfield in the Youth Team playing Centre Half in the Reserves and the rest is History. boltpp i take it you dont like Rio by your remarks, is it his fault he played in midfield yesterday and of course he knows he doesn't have the skill of Ronaldo but when does he player playing the holding role need to be skillful? And you say paul Ince a rock in midfield, he is the guy that never moved out of the centre circle or past the half way line or he would faint, and the same guy who bottled it from the 1998 shootout against Germany. rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: bolt pp on January 30, 2006, 04:40:03 PM Mystery I agree with you again, Ferdinand is one of the best defenders in the world has pace, can read the game but very lazy as publically known and against the european and south American teams he is always affective! Come on skippy, play the game m8. Is Michael aspell turning up?Knowing Rio personally from a young age how may of you knew that he was a Centre Forward up to the age of 16, then at Youth team level played in a 3 man midfield with Lampard and a guy called Chris Sains who was better at 18 than both of these put together, but didn't have is Dad and Uncle at the club or the influence of the Ferdinand football name. He was then at 17 while playing midfield in the Youth Team playing Centre Half in the Reserves and the rest is History. boltpp i take it you dont like Rio by your remarks, is it his fault he played in midfield yesterday and of course he knows he doesn't have the skill of Ronaldo but when does he player playing the holding role need to be skillful? And you say paul Ince a rock in midfield, he is the guy that never moved out of the centre circle or past the half way line or he would faint, and the same guy who bottled it from the 1998 shootout against Germany. rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao As a defender, Ferdinand is above average(if very lazy). But he lacks any of the requisite attributes to be an effective midfielder. In reference to your comment that "i'ts not his fault that he was played in fidfield" i find it highly unlikely that he has'nt been in detailed conversation with the boss pertaining to his eroneous positioning. But in the words of the veracious, reputable England manager: "he's too talented" :D Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: Nem on January 30, 2006, 05:26:31 PM Rio is a world class defender, definitely in the top 5 defenders in the world. I would have him in my England team ahead of King, Terry, Campbell and Woodgate.
Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: Triple X on January 30, 2006, 05:39:33 PM Glenn Hoddle when England manager summed up Ferdinand by saying he could be the best defender if the world but just needs to work on his tackling and defending!!!
Personally i thought that was a centre half's priority!! Notwithstanding that he is a great defender but is prone to lose focus and concentration. For me Terry is a definite starter for england but as an arsenal fan i would admit that i think campbells performance has dropped off over the last year. Looks a bit sluggish but a great tackler. The problem with centre-backs is that by their very nature they are big rocks and the pace of the modern game is getting so fast that it is starting to show even the best centre halfs up. This season, Terry, Ferdinand and Campbell have all looked culpable on many occassions. I think that in the future, there will be a movement away from the great big oaf of a centre-half to the more mobile defender who has the pace etc. For me Kolo Toure is a great example of this, although he is still raw and learning the game. 10 years ago you just didnt have attackers like Henry, Ronaldo, Rooney etc that can show up the best centre-backs with pace and skill Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: Nem on January 30, 2006, 05:52:36 PM Unfortunately for England Campbell looks like he's on his last legs. I personally would play Ferdinand and King in defence, but that is very unlikely whilst the media bandwagon hypes up the Chelsea skipper. Terry is so overrated it makes me laugh, he is good, but he isn't in the same league as Ferdinand or Campbell (in his prime). I would rather have King in my Spurs team than Terry in my Spurs team, any day of the week. Terry is like an overrated Carragher.
Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: mystery721 on January 30, 2006, 06:02:43 PM well said nemesis
Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: bolt pp on February 02, 2006, 01:41:47 AM I told you all Ferdinands useless!!!!!!
I love it. great header!!!!!!!! He's the man :D :D :D Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: The Baron on February 02, 2006, 03:19:26 AM Carragher and Terry overrated? Maybe they are, but they are doing something England defenders have been scared to do for a while.... DEFEND! They get stuck in, they do the messy stuff, they get involved!
Ferdinand is thee most naturally gifted defender I've seen since Baresi, but he is lazy! Do I want a lazy Ferdinand or a pumped up Terry when the chips are down and the pressure is on? Hmmmmm........... Not rocket science is it? My current Centre back pairing after Sol's performance tonight is Ferdinand/Terry. Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: bolt pp on February 02, 2006, 03:31:46 AM Carragher and Terry overrated? Maybe they are, but they are doing something England defenders have been scared to do for a while.... DEFEND! They get stuck in, they do the messy stuff, they get involved! It was so close to being an accurate and insightful post.Ferdinand is thee most naturally gifted defender I've seen since Baresi, but he is lazy! Do I want a lazy Ferdinand or a pumped up Terry when the chips are down and the pressure is on? Hmmmmm........... Not rocket science is it? My current Centre back pairing after Sol's performance tonight is Ferdinand/Terry. The first paragraph had me nodding in unequivical acquiescence. It all went a bit pear shaped thereafter did'nt it, what happend? "Ferdinand is the most naturally gifted"..............................I dont know what you went on to say as my cat' who was also reading the post , jumped out of the window in disgust. YOU OWE ME A NEW CAT!!!!!!! Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: The Baron on February 02, 2006, 03:35:55 AM PMSL! :D
Who would your centre backs be? Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: ifm on February 02, 2006, 03:37:15 AM LOL @ Bolts cat.
How about Sutton in midfield?, had a stormer tonight against Liverpool. Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: The Baron on February 02, 2006, 03:40:38 AM LOL @ Bolts cat. How about Sutton in midfield?, had a stormer tonight against Liverpool. LMAO. If you open your eyes the chances of seeing the game increase by a factor of 10. :D Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: bolt pp on February 02, 2006, 03:46:01 AM PMSL! :D I think Ferdinand would get in if we played a 5-4-1.Who would your centre backs be? Let rooney do it all by himself up front, and utilise the extra man by packing the defense. Cole; Terry; Cambell(if fit); ferdinand; Neville. I dont know why the idea of rooney on his own up front has'nt been floated about yet! Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: Ironside on February 02, 2006, 03:47:32 AM PMSL! :D I think Ferdinand would get in if we played a 5-4-1.Who would your centre backs be? Let rooney do it all by himself up front, and utilise the extra man by packing the defense. Cole; Terry; Cambell(if fit); ferdinand; Neville. I dont know why the idea of rooney on his own up front has'nt been floated about yet! cause owen is a better goal getting inside the box which is why rooney plays just behind owen upfront Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: ifm on February 02, 2006, 03:48:11 AM I was gonna say that!!
Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: Ironside on February 02, 2006, 03:50:05 AM great mind think alike but us 2 just got lucky there
Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: TightEnd on February 02, 2006, 03:53:10 AM He's going to play Ferdinand and Terry at the back
Sol Campbell looks a year past his best to me...just more fallible than he used to be, perhaps though a reflection of a leakier Arsenal defence around him. and I think Ledley King will be earmarked for the holding midfielder/sitter in front of the back four in those games we play 4-5-1. Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: bolt pp on February 02, 2006, 04:04:17 AM PMSL! :D I think Ferdinand would get in if we played a 5-4-1.Who would your centre backs be? Let rooney do it all by himself up front, and utilise the extra man by packing the defense. Cole; Terry; Cambell(if fit); ferdinand; Neville. I dont know why the idea of rooney on his own up front has'nt been floated about yet! cause owen is a better goal getting inside the box which is why rooney plays just behind owen upfront Leave it out lads, I have'nt seen anything from owen that would suggest he retains anything other than his pace these days. If anything i think owen partnering rooney is encumbering and works to the detriment of England. It seemed that after the world cup 98 owen was marked out of a lot of games, something from which i think he never fully recovered. Please note: cat is perched precariously on window ledge. respond wisely :D Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: Ironside on February 02, 2006, 04:06:05 AM tell the cat it is lucky its not perched on my window ledge cause i have a habbit of throwing my neighbours cat out the window
ps i never open the window Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: bolt pp on February 02, 2006, 04:12:54 AM tell the cat it is lucky its not perched on my window ledge cause i have a habbit of throwing my neighbours cat out the window do you go out looking for this cat just to throw it out of your window?ps i never open the window If so admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery. :D Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: Ironside on February 02, 2006, 04:17:19 AM nope it sneaks in thru the kitchen
and sits on my desk watching tv and when i get AA cracked on the bubble when i have a large stack by the only person that can knock me out (happens more often than you think to me) then the cat gets thrown out the window then the next night it comes back but everest like it but my insurance company thinks the police should do something about these pesky kids throwing bricks Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: bolt pp on February 02, 2006, 04:32:46 AM nope it sneaks in thru the kitchen the local kids have obviously seen the way you play!! :Dand sits on my desk watching tv and when i get AA cracked on the bubble when i have a large stack by the only person that can knock me out (happens more often than you think to me) then the cat gets thrown out the window then the next night it comes back but everest like it but my insurance company thinks the police should do something about these pesky kids throwing bricks It's not a black cat is it? Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: Nem on February 02, 2006, 04:47:28 AM At the moment King is a better player/defender than Campbell. Do any of you watch King? The guy is different class. Simply flawless (maybe his only flaw is that he plays for Tottenham!!!) He has speed, great on the floor, great in the air, great ball reading skills, the last couple of seasons he hasn't made one mistake. He would walk into any defence in Europe, Chelsea, Milan included!
Please don't leave Ledley... ;tightend; ;tightend; ;tightend; Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: bolt pp on February 02, 2006, 04:56:00 AM At the moment King is a better player/defender than Campbell. Do any of you watch King? The guy is different class. Simply flawless (maybe his only flaw is that he plays for Tottenham!!!) He has speed, great on the floor, great in the air, great ball reading skills, the last couple of seasons he hasn't made one mistake. He would walk into any defence in Europe, Chelsea, Milan included! I think the guy lacks pace and makes a few novicey mistakes through lack of expeiriance.Please don't leave Ledley... ;tightend; ;tightend; ;tightend; He can hold down a defence but i dont think he's anywhere near ready for the world cup. Looks like theres a position for him though. Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: Nem on February 02, 2006, 05:03:37 AM At the moment King is a better player/defender than Campbell. Do any of you watch King? The guy is different class. Simply flawless (maybe his only flaw is that he plays for Tottenham!!!) He has speed, great on the floor, great in the air, great ball reading skills, the last couple of seasons he hasn't made one mistake. He would walk into any defence in Europe, Chelsea, Milan included! I think the guy lacks pace and makes a few novicey mistakes through lack of expeiriance.Please don't leave Ledley... ;tightend; ;tightend; ;tightend; Lacks pace? You haven't watched him play. He is most probably the quickest centre half in the Premier league. Including Gallas and Ferdinand. As for novice mistakes. The last mistake he made was against Australia in February 03 when we played them in a friendly at West Hams ground. Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: bolt pp on February 02, 2006, 05:34:05 AM At the moment King is a better player/defender than Campbell. Do any of you watch King? The guy is different class. Simply flawless (maybe his only flaw is that he plays for Tottenham!!!) He has speed, great on the floor, great in the air, great ball reading skills, the last couple of seasons he hasn't made one mistake. He would walk into any defence in Europe, Chelsea, Milan included! I think the guy lacks pace and makes a few novicey mistakes through lack of expeiriance.Please don't leave Ledley... ;tightend; ;tightend; ;tightend; Lacks pace? You haven't watched him play. He is most probably the quickest centre half in the Premier league. Including Gallas and Ferdinand. As for novice mistakes. The last mistake he made was against Australia in February 03 when we played them in a friendly at West Hams ground. just dont think he's classy enough though. Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: Triple X on February 02, 2006, 09:02:20 AM disagree Nemesis - yes he is a great centre - back - but he does make novice mistakes and i sometimes think his mind drifts.
Pace is decent but not superb. He probably needs to be a bit more arrogant and confident. Problem as i said in another thread is that nowadays even the best centre-backs are being found out by raw pace and skill - even from average footballers - look at Campbell last night!!! Terry, Woodgate, King, Campbell, Ferdinand, and Carragher (altho Carragher to a lesser extent) are all great centre-backs, but they all still make too many errors. But then so does Ayala, Lucio, Gallas, Maldini, etc etc Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: Nem on February 02, 2006, 09:19:25 AM Where all these mistakes? I haven't seen one and I watch every game he plays in, the full 90 mins.
As for pace, like I said earlier, his pace is second to none in the Premier league. A good example of this was against Norwich last season. When he overtook Darren Huckerby ( runs 100meters in less than 11seconds), who had an open goal and cleared the ball of the line. Everyone remembers his poor defending in that Australia game a couple of years back. Also, a few people blamed King for Charlton's second goal at the Valley earlier on this season(when SPurs won 2-3 after being 2-0 down), but in fact it was Robinson's fault for being to close behind King just before Bent curled the ball into the virtually empty goal. Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: ifm on February 02, 2006, 10:42:27 AM What about Upson?
He likes it at the back :D Title: Re: Ferdinand in midfield? Post by: The Baron on February 02, 2006, 02:13:54 PM At the moment King is a better player/defender than Campbell. Do any of you watch King? The guy is different class. Simply flawless (maybe his only flaw is that he plays for Tottenham!!!) He has speed, great on the floor, great in the air, great ball reading skills, the last couple of seasons he hasn't made one mistake. He would walk into any defence in Europe, Chelsea, Milan included! Please don't leave Ledley... ;tightend; ;tightend; ;tightend; He does have pace no doubt. My problem is his delivery once he has the ball. I have no doubts he can cut it at centre half, but after winning the ball in a holding role you need to be able to pass, like Keane, Vieira, Makelele can. King can't! Great centre half but just not the man for the holding role. |