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Poor Sir Alex, It's all come on top and he cant hack it anymore.
Not only are the once redoubtable Man u about as intimidating as an Eriksson law suit, but ,
the most over rated defender in the world is set to become the nucleus of the utd midfield.

Ferdinand took it upon himself to have a little run around the midfield when he came on againt Burton last week, and relativly impressed.

A week and a half later and it's turned into the twilight zone.
Ferdinands running about the midfield like a muppet, trying to be Ronaldo.

Poor Paul Ince, once himself the midfield rock of utd, could'nt concentrate through laughter, thus the SHOCK result.

Ferdinand is an average defender devoid of pace, tecnical prowess, and tactical insight.

If Sven in intent on revenge then he has been give the perfect platform on which to exact it.
Lampard would be about as safe with Ferdinand just behind him as he would with Sweeny todd, getting ready to give him a short back and sides.

Ferdinands' useless, Svens' a dougnut, and Fergersons' a mug.

I'm going to e-mail the F.A, weve got to get the likes of Tim flowers and darren huckerby back on the firm!!!!!!!!

lol........that is the funniest thing ive ever read!!  ferdinand over rated?........lol  hes the best defender in the world, noone and i mean noone is as cool and composed as he is in defence, he makes defending look the easiest thing in the world, wolves were lucky it wasnt 7-0........And that is now 12 FA Cup games without conceding a goal, cant be that bad in defence

i think the both of yous are extremely drunk!! :D

Not sure you can beat the legend that is...

Paul McGrath

If he wasn't currently lining his stomach with ethanol, then I'd be tempted to stick him back in the Villa team.

mr mcgrath would get in the Villa team wherever he chooses at the moment

I'm sure i've read you mentioning Mcgrath b4, what is it with you and him;-)
Maybe Erikkson will bring him back into the team :D

That might be tricky. He's Irish.  :)

If it was twelve straight carling cup games maybe i'd listen!

Is Suanders still helping out at villa, sven my give him another go when he turns up!

Saunders the welsh striker?
Ferdinand is lazy.
McGrath is a legend.
V**a are sh**e.
Upson is the best central defender in the country.

Whilst reading this I am reminded of a funny (and typical) piece of Irish humour.  The returning Irish football squad (The Jack Charlton one) were given an open top bus celebration tour of Dublin on thier return from the world cup finals where they had played way above expectation and done themselves and the nation proud.

This happened to coincide with Nelson Mandellas visit to the fair isle who was given the same honour.  As the bus passed the masses a smiling waving (and probably confused) Mr Mandela was greeted with the following chant

ooh ahh Paul Mcraths DA
ooh ahh Paul Mcraths DA

(Da = Dadin Irish slang)   ;D

Mystery I agree with you again, Ferdinand is one of the best defenders in the world has pace, can read the game but very lazy as publically known and against the european and south American teams he is always affective!

Knowing Rio personally from a young age how may of you knew that he was a Centre Forward up to the age of 16, then at Youth team level played in a 3 man midfield with Lampard and a guy called Chris Sains who was better at 18 than both of these put together, but didn't have is Dad and Uncle at the club or the influence of the Ferdinand football name.

He was then at 17 while playing midfield in the Youth Team playing Centre Half in the Reserves and the rest is History.

boltpp i take it you dont like Rio by your remarks, is it his fault he played in midfield yesterday and of course he knows he doesn't have the skill of Ronaldo but when does he player  playing the holding role need to be skillful?

And you say paul Ince a rock in midfield, he is the guy that never moved out of the centre circle or past the half way line or he would faint, and the same guy who bottled it from the 1998 shootout against Germany.

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Come on skippy, play the game m8. Is  Michael aspell turning up?
As a defender, Ferdinand is above average(if very lazy).
But he lacks any of the requisite attributes to be an effective midfielder.
In reference to your comment that "i'ts not his fault that he was played in fidfield" i find it highly unlikely that he has'nt been in detailed conversation with the boss pertaining to his eroneous positioning.
But in the words of the veracious, reputable England manager:
                                                       "he's too talented" :D

Rio is a world class defender, definitely in the top 5 defenders in the world. I would have him in my England team ahead of King, Terry, Campbell and Woodgate.

Glenn Hoddle when England manager summed up Ferdinand by saying he could be the best defender if the world but just needs to work on his tackling and defending!!! 

Personally i thought that was a centre half's priority!!

Notwithstanding that he is a great defender but is prone to lose focus and concentration.

For me Terry is a definite starter for england but as an arsenal fan i would admit that i think campbells performance has dropped off over the last year.  Looks a bit sluggish but a great tackler.

The problem with centre-backs is that by their very nature they are big rocks and the pace of the modern game is getting so fast that it is starting to show even the best centre halfs up.  This season, Terry, Ferdinand and Campbell have all looked culpable on many occassions.

I think that in the future, there will be a movement away from the great big oaf of a centre-half to the more mobile defender who has the pace etc.  For me Kolo Toure is a great example of this, although he is still raw and learning the game.

10 years ago you just didnt have attackers like Henry, Ronaldo, Rooney etc that can show up the best centre-backs with pace and skill

Unfortunately for England Campbell looks like he's on his last legs. I personally would play Ferdinand and King in defence, but that is very unlikely whilst the media bandwagon hypes up the Chelsea skipper. Terry is so overrated it makes me laugh, he is good, but he isn't in the same league as Ferdinand or Campbell (in his prime). I would rather have King in my Spurs team than Terry in my Spurs team, any day of the week. Terry is like an overrated Carragher.

well said nemesis

I told you all Ferdinands useless!!!!!!
I love it.
great header!!!!!!!!
 
He's the man :D :D :D

Carragher and Terry overrated? Maybe they are, but they are doing something England defenders have been scared to do for a while.... DEFEND! They get stuck in, they do the messy stuff, they get involved!

Ferdinand is thee most naturally gifted defender I've seen since Baresi, but he is lazy!

Do I want a lazy Ferdinand or a pumped up Terry when the chips are down and the pressure is on? Hmmmmm........... Not rocket science is it?

My current Centre back pairing after Sol's performance tonight is Ferdinand/Terry.

It was so close to being an accurate and insightful post.
The first paragraph had me nodding in unequivical acquiescence.
It all went a bit pear shaped thereafter did'nt it, what happend?

"Ferdinand is the most naturally gifted"..............................I dont know what you went on to say as my cat' who was also reading the post , jumped out of the window in disgust.

YOU OWE ME A NEW CAT!!!!!!!

PMSL! :D

Who would your centre backs be?

LOL @ Bolts cat.

How about Sutton in midfield?, had a stormer tonight against Liverpool.

LMAO. If you open your eyes the chances of seeing the game increase by a factor of 10. :D

I think Ferdinand would get in if we played a 5-4-1.
Let rooney do it all by himself up front, and utilise the extra man by packing the defense.

Cole; Terry; Cambell(if fit); ferdinand; Neville.
I dont know why the idea of rooney on his own up front has'nt been floated about yet!

cause owen is a better goal getting inside the box

which is why rooney plays just behind owen upfront

I was gonna say that!!

great mind think alike but us 2 just got lucky there

He's going to play Ferdinand and Terry at the back

Sol Campbell looks a year past his best to me...just more fallible than he used to be, perhaps though a reflection of a leakier Arsenal defence around him.

and I think Ledley King will be earmarked for the holding midfielder/sitter in front of the back four in those games we play 4-5-1.

My cats just dragged himself back up the drain pipe and i dont think he can take another fall!
Leave it out lads, I have'nt seen anything from owen that would suggest he retains anything other than his pace these days.
If anything i think owen partnering rooney is encumbering and works to the detriment of England.
It seemed that after the world cup 98 owen was marked out of a lot of games, something from which i think he never fully recovered.
Please note: cat is perched precariously on window ledge. respond wisely :D

tell the cat it is lucky its not perched on my window ledge cause i have a habbit of throwing my neighbours cat out the window





ps i never open the window

do you go out looking for this cat just to throw it out of your window?
If so admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery. :D

nope it sneaks in thru the kitchen

and sits on my desk watching tv and when i get AA cracked on the bubble when i have a large stack by the only person that can knock me out (happens more often than you think to me) then the cat gets thrown out the window

then the next night it comes back

but everest like it

but my insurance company thinks the police should do something about these pesky kids throwing bricks

the local kids have obviously seen the way you play!! :D

It's not a black cat is it?

At the moment King is a better player/defender than Campbell. Do any of you watch King? The guy is different class. Simply flawless (maybe his only flaw is that he plays for Tottenham!!!) He has speed, great on the floor, great in the air, great ball reading skills, the last couple of seasons he hasn't made one mistake. He would walk into any defence in Europe, Chelsea, Milan included!

Please don't leave Ledley...  ;tightend; ;tightend; ;tightend;

I think the guy lacks pace and makes a few novicey mistakes through lack of expeiriance.
He can hold down a defence but i dont think he's anywhere near ready for the world cup.
Looks like theres a position for him though.

Lacks pace? You haven't watched him play. He is most probably the quickest centre half in the Premier league. Including Gallas and Ferdinand.

As for novice mistakes. The last mistake he made was against Australia in February 03 when we played them in a friendly at West Hams ground.

your talking about an international ric, he only plays about once every three years so that would be about right.
just dont think he's classy enough though.

disagree Nemesis - yes he is a great centre - back - but he does make novice mistakes and i sometimes think his mind drifts.

Pace is decent but not superb. He probably needs to be a bit more arrogant and confident.

Problem as i said in another thread is that nowadays even the best centre-backs are being found out by raw pace and skill - even from average footballers - look at Campbell last night!!!

Terry, Woodgate, King, Campbell, Ferdinand, and Carragher (altho Carragher to a lesser extent) are all great centre-backs, but they all still make too many errors.

But then so does Ayala, Lucio, Gallas, Maldini, etc etc

Where all these mistakes? I haven't seen one and I watch every game he plays in, the full 90 mins.

As for pace, like I said earlier, his pace is second to none in the Premier league. A good example of this was against Norwich last season. When he overtook Darren Huckerby ( runs 100meters in less than 11seconds), who had an open goal and cleared the ball of the line. Everyone remembers his poor defending in that Australia game a couple of years back. Also, a few people blamed King for Charlton's second goal at the Valley earlier on this season(when SPurs won 2-3 after being 2-0 down), but in fact it was Robinson's fault for being to close behind King just before Bent curled the ball into the virtually empty goal.

What about Upson?
He likes it at the back :D

He does have pace no doubt. My problem is his delivery once he has the ball. I have no doubts he can cut it at centre half, but after winning the ball in a holding role you need to be able to pass, like Keane, Vieira, Makelele can. King can't!

Great centre half but just not the man for the holding role.