Title: Nasty PLO8 spot vs Mr Aggro Post by: Doobs on June 15, 2015, 06:20:23 AM This is very much non standard and just becomes messy because of this specific opponent.
Opponent wasn't there at the start and has got progressively more aggressive as time has gone on. It has reached the stage where his pre flop raising percentage and c bet percentage just seem massively OOL to me. I'd say they must be at least double that of a normal good aggressive plo8 player. I know villain plays reasonably high stakes omaha (10/20 or 25/50). He has stated he has never played the game before and I am prepared to believe him. There are a couple of hands we have seen that were a bit odd and not at all standard. He had previously just blasted people off hands by raising and pot, pot, pot until people fold. I am fairly sure that none of these hands has been shown. I am guessing he has somewhere in the region of 2.5 and 3x starting stack. He is sat 3 to my left and already got me to lay down AA44 on 258xhhh. We had no hearts but it felt a bit weak still. Anyway not long after that one this hand occurs. Blinds are 75/150. We are UTG with AKQ2hh. We limp. Sometimes I raise this, but had decided to be tricky with Mr aggro 3 to my left. He raises to 500. There are 3 callers including me. I really thought of limp shoving here but we'd be out of position vs all 3 so just called. The flop is 665 (2 spades). I check, Mr Aggro bets 1500. The two others fold pretty quickly. Folding here vs this villain with an A2 just seems a bit weak. Turn is a non spade K and he bets 4500 pretty quickly. I have 10k or so behind. I had a really strong feeling he was full of shit on the flop and turn. I almost shoved a couple of times and eventually folded. I pretty much regretted this immediately and was reasonably sure I should have shoved. If I am wrong I have kings outs for the high and nut low outs. It also has the advantage of slowing him down and producing really good advertising amongst my fellow players. Thoughts? Title: Re: Nasty PLO8 spot vs Mr Aggro Post by: doubleup on June 15, 2015, 05:25:14 PM Don't think you should be peeling to see a turn vs this type. Think you should make a decision on the flop. Title: Re: Nasty PLO8 spot vs Mr Aggro Post by: Doobs on June 15, 2015, 07:00:13 PM I thought about this a bit more by the pool this morning. I really think I should be shoving any non spade AKQ876543. Fold the rest. I think I could have done this based on what I knew at the time. Though the whole hand felt very marginal at the time. I could definitely have done something different at every action.
It was only later where he was exposed for betting bad low draws etc. that I could be sure that check shoving the cards above was right. Sure I am going to be in a world of hurt when he flips the 6 and I have shoved the king, but I think the amount of times we are ahead far more times than behind. I discussed this hand with Animal after and he thought everything was very marginal, so can't have many regrets. I think fold is fine. Just needed to have thought through a better plan when I called originally or maybe taken a bit more time before I folded on the turn. Sure he can read me for something marginal if I spend an age thinking and have a pained look on my face, but not sure it helps him any. There is no way he is folding a 6 whatever I have given away, and there is every chance he feels priced in with his bad low draw. Title: Re: Nasty PLO8 spot vs Mr Aggro Post by: Tal on June 15, 2015, 07:49:44 PM If the risk of getting quartered is much lower against this guy than your average PLO8-er, isn't there more of a "let's get it in" vibe to this hand?
This is exactly the sort of hand I struggle with: when is it ok to play for half the pot? Title: Re: Nasty PLO8 spot vs Mr Aggro Post by: TL900 on June 15, 2015, 08:17:03 PM How can you ever fold vs described villian?
Title: Re: Nasty PLO8 spot vs Mr Aggro Post by: pleno1 on June 15, 2015, 11:06:39 PM Yeah you can't fold this turn.
Title: Re: Nasty PLO8 spot vs Mr Aggro Post by: Doobs on June 15, 2015, 11:27:31 PM We calling or shoving? We have 5.5k behind after calling. Presumably we call any river if calling?
Title: Re: Nasty PLO8 spot vs Mr Aggro Post by: rfgqqabc on June 18, 2015, 10:30:44 PM Allin for me, maybe he folds somthing with equity.
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