Title: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: Tal on July 18, 2015, 05:15:43 PM On the same line as the beautiful thread, if you were king or queen of sport for a day, what would be your royal decree?
Would you ban this? (http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01717/footballer-spit_1717115i.jpg) How about this? (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/28/article-2136780-05D9D0960000044D-786_468x481.jpg) Maybe people shouting "COME ON!" every point? (http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01436/murray-wimbledon1_1436449c.jpg) Maybe you'd ban anyone convicted of drugs or doping offences from competing again? (http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01561/01_GAT_1561875a.jpg) Swamping the ref doesn't tend to change his mind, but still they try... (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/31/article-0-0B6C8EE900000578-612_634x469.jpg) In ice hockey, they have designated fighting players in each team, called enforcers. Is that not a bit mad? (http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/14-Darren-McCarty-bloody-hockey-fight.jpg) Maybe you'd take VAT off ticket prices or make entry free for under 18s? Lots of things to change. Over to you. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: RED-DOG on July 18, 2015, 05:23:04 PM I would cap footballers wages at £100k pa and make opposing fans sit beside each other in alternate seats throughout the ground.
Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: arbboy on July 18, 2015, 05:24:56 PM people moaning about how much the true elite athletes earn. The true elite performers in every sport (who sell the sport to the masses) are virtually always under paid individually relative to their value to the sport.
Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: TightEnd on July 18, 2015, 05:26:53 PM The most important issue facing sport today is not drugs, corruption, participation by kids, free to air v satellite exposure or anythign else you might think
No, it is the fist bump that tennis doubles partnerships give each other after every point that fist bump might be a slapping of palms or similar Bang a volley into the net and lose the point? fist bump Double fault? fist bump enormously frustrating to watch because it is completely unneccesary i would make it the first rule of all tennis federations fist bumps and similar are banned (http://sports.inquirer.net/files/2015/06/tennis-0615.jpg) (http://bit.ly/113O1E3) (http://www.heraldscotland.com/resources/images/3995631.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=mc3) (https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRIUaLab-6g2u35pmMhMQXCCFOaBFStbdCz5mWW_qMKqxoyick5OQ) Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: RED-DOG on July 18, 2015, 05:27:38 PM people moaning about how much the true elite athletes earn. The true elite performers in every sport (who sell the sport to the masses) are virtually always under paid individually relative to their value to the sport. You have no jurisdiction over people moaning in this thread, you can only change sport. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: arbboy on July 18, 2015, 05:29:40 PM people moaning about how much the true elite athletes earn. The true elite performers in every sport (who sell the sport to the masses) are virtually always under paid individually relative to their value to the sport. You have no jurisdiction over people moaning in this thread, you can only change sport. I actually typed that as an original response to the opening post and didn't realise you have posted it. Honest guv. I know no one will believe me but it is true. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: Tal on July 18, 2015, 05:32:22 PM people moaning about how much the true elite athletes earn. The true elite performers in every sport (who sell the sport to the masses) are virtually always under paid individually relative to their value to the sport. You have no jurisdiction over people moaning in this thread, you can only change sport. I actually typed that as an original response to the opening post and didn't realise you have posted it. Honest guv. I know no one will believe me but it is true. Pay is definitely a debate of itself. Is it your one wish, arb? Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: arbboy on July 18, 2015, 05:35:15 PM people moaning about how much the true elite athletes earn. The true elite performers in every sport (who sell the sport to the masses) are virtually always under paid individually relative to their value to the sport. You have no jurisdiction over people moaning in this thread, you can only change sport. I actually typed that as an original response to the opening post and didn't realise you have posted it. Honest guv. I know no one will believe me but it is true. Pay is definitely a debate of itself. Is it your one wish, arb? Yes because i think as a guy who makes his living out of betting on sport and as a huge all round sports fan myself we have literally never had it better imo to watch sport from all around the world. It is incredible the amount of sport you can watch live now compared to 25 years ago. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: The Camel on July 18, 2015, 05:37:18 PM The most important issue facing sport today is not drugs, corruption, participation by kids, free to air v satellite exposure or anythign else you might think No, it is the fist bump that tennis doubles partnerships give each other after every point that fist bump might be a slapping of palms or similar Bang a volley into the net and lose the point? fist bump Double fault? fist bump enormously frustrating to watch because it is completely unneccesary i would make it the first rule of all tennis federations fist bumps and similar are banned (http://sports.inquirer.net/files/2015/06/tennis-0615.jpg) (http://bit.ly/113O1E3) (http://www.heraldscotland.com/resources/images/3995631.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=mc3) (https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRIUaLab-6g2u35pmMhMQXCCFOaBFStbdCz5mWW_qMKqxoyick5OQ) I saw a pair at Wimbledon who touched racquets after every point. I'm not sure why they didn't fist bump, maybe one of them had a communicable disease, but regardless it was even more annoying than the fist bump. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: arbboy on July 18, 2015, 05:39:59 PM I suppose if there is one thing i would change i would ban drug testing in the 100m athletic events so we could really see how fast humans can run. Everyone in any major final is or has been on something illegal at some stage so just let them crack on and break 9 seconds one day.
Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: tikay on July 18, 2015, 05:43:33 PM I would ban apostrophes. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: The Camel on July 18, 2015, 05:45:16 PM Tal, what is the team in red surrounding Clattenburg?
I assume #30 is Jason Roberts, but the guy on the far side looks like Agbonlahor. #confused Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: TightEnd on July 18, 2015, 05:49:28 PM blackburn, see the badge on the shorts
away at fulham, 2010 Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: tikay on July 18, 2015, 05:56:43 PM blackburn, see the badge on the shorts away at fulham, 2010 What was the score at the time, and the barometric pressure? Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: The Camel on July 18, 2015, 05:58:39 PM blackburn, see the badge on the shorts away at fulham, 2010 Ah, was looking for a badge on the shoirts. Good sport. Who is Agbonlahor's doppelganger? Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: The Camel on July 18, 2015, 05:59:21 PM I can't modify anything on this thread either,
I think Ironside has been meddling. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: tikay on July 18, 2015, 06:01:11 PM I can't modify anything on this thread either, I think Ironside has been meddling. As it happens, he has, yes. Has it changed your ability to change or edit posts from the way it was previously? Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: Tal on July 18, 2015, 06:04:17 PM blackburn, see the badge on the shorts away at fulham, 2010 Ah, was looking for a badge on the shoirts. Good sport. Who is Agbonlahor's doppelganger? It was 5 March 2011 and I believe you're talking about Stephen Nzonzi Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: TightEnd on July 18, 2015, 06:05:18 PM clattenburg awarded a controversial penalty in the 89th minute
blackburn won it 3-2 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/9411020.stm the blackburn team was 01 Robinson 03 Olsson 04 Samba 05 Givet (Pedersen 76) 27 Salgado (Emerton 90+2) 31 Hanleyyellow card 02 J Jonesyellow card 15 Nzonzi 23 Hoilett (Rochina 82) 30 Robertsyellow card 41 Diouf Substitutes 13 Bunn, 07 Emerton, 12 Pedersen, 17 Andrews, 09 Kalinic, 18 Santa Cruz, 20 Rochina Ref: Clattenburg i narrow down agbonlahor lookalike to martin olsson the sweidish left back and jermaine jones the us midfielder olsson is as follows (http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01538/olsson_1538787a.jpg) and i think he is our man Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: Tal on July 18, 2015, 06:10:12 PM Oh yes, it is Olssen. Good work.
It's not as impressive as the great "what time was this photo taken?" thing we had on TfT earlier in the year. That has to be a shout for the advent calendar this year. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: The Camel on July 18, 2015, 06:12:31 PM I can't modify anything on this thread either, I think Ironside has been meddling. As it happens, he has, yes. Has it changed your ability to change or edit posts from the way it was previously? Cannot edit posts at all once "post" is clicked. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: craigbetts on July 18, 2015, 06:12:45 PM Would like to see the rule they had in Serie A in the 90s where by four foreigners per squad with only 3 allowed to play a game in football. Not sure how it lies with euopean employment law or whatever but it has to be the way to develop the talent in our country. If that is a no goer then penalise unsportsmanlike behaviour and make it effective.
Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: Horneris on July 18, 2015, 06:14:08 PM I would change it so NFL lasted 12 months a year not 5 and UK racing ran for 20 hours a day.
Could just sleep 5-9am every day If I couldnt do that I would make it so rugby union was never invented Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: tikay on July 18, 2015, 06:14:54 PM I can't modify anything on this thread either, I think Ironside has been meddling. As it happens, he has, yes. Has it changed your ability to change or edit posts from the way it was previously? Cannot edit posts at all once "post" is clicked. OK, understood, I have asked Iron to sort it, to un-meddle, so to speak. I expect it will be dealt with overnight. Apologies. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: OverTheBorder on July 18, 2015, 08:14:09 PM blackburn, see the badge on the shorts away at fulham, 2010 Ah, was looking for a badge on the shoirts. Good sport. Who is Agbonlahor's doppelganger? Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: HutchGF on July 18, 2015, 08:49:15 PM The infernal 'stand up if you love the darts' chant that echoes around every televised darts match.
You've paid good money for the seats, and are clearly enjoying yourself. You clearly 'love' the darts. Please sing something different. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: Tal on July 18, 2015, 08:55:08 PM The infernal 'stand up if you love the darts' chant that echoes around every televised darts match. You've paid good money for the seats, and are clearly enjoying yourself. You clearly 'love' the darts. Please sing something different. Singing something that everyone in the crowd agrees with seems logical. A bit like Stand Up If You're One Nil Up or Stand Up If You Hate Arsenal. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: HutchGF on July 18, 2015, 09:07:51 PM The infernal 'stand up if you love the darts' chant that echoes around every televised darts match. You've paid good money for the seats, and are clearly enjoying yourself. You clearly 'love' the darts. Please sing something different. Singing something that everyone in the crowd agrees with seems logical. A bit like Stand Up If You're One Nil Up or Stand Up If You Hate Arsenal. Singing once, fine and logical. Singing on repeat ad infinitum and it becomes something that makes me want to remove my eardrums with a rusty spoon. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: JohnCharver on July 18, 2015, 09:11:02 PM Would like to see the rule they had in Serie A in the 90s where by four foreigners per squad with only 3 allowed to play a game in football. Not sure how it lies with euopean employment law or whatever but it has to be the way to develop the talent in our country. If that is a no goer then penalise unsportsmanlike behaviour and make it effective. Think the reverse would be more effective, let teams use whoever they want in any format. Would stop man city etc buying english to line their bench. Should get rid of all the federations from boxing and have a more natural system for who should fight who. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: Archer on July 19, 2015, 08:20:49 AM Would like to see the rule they had in Serie A in the 90s where by four foreigners per squad with only 3 allowed to play a game in football. Not sure how it lies with euopean employment law or whatever but it has to be the way to develop the talent in our country. If that is a no goer then penalise unsportsmanlike behaviour and make it effective. Think the reverse would be more effective, let teams use whoever they want in any format. Would stop man city etc buying english to line their bench. Should get rid of all the federations from boxing and have a more natural system for who should fight who. I would ban elements of the media that peddle myths which bear no resemblance to the facts and then are lapped up by punters as a truth and shape an erroneus perception which is repeatedly regurgitaed in social media and internet forums. Case in point is City buy English to line their bench. Really? Since the takeover nearly 7 years ago only 2 young and established English have been bought by City and not used and one of them was a sicknote. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: tikay on July 19, 2015, 08:42:11 AM On the same line as the beautiful thread, if you were king or queen of sport for a day, what would be your royal decree? Swamping the ref doesn't tend to change his mind, but still they try... (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/31/article-0-0B6C8EE900000578-612_634x469.jpg) How many times out of 100 does the ref change his mind, or yield to player pressure? I bet it's less than 1% of the time. And yet the players do it every time. How dumb, & what a waste of energy, is that? Rugby Union solved that problem, football needs to. It's so easy to solve, too. You want to argue son? The free kick gets moved forward 10 yards, & you get a card. Still arguing? OK, it's a penalty & a red now. It's a classic case of group think, or collective think. Our team mate argues, so we all join him. If I were a ref, & one player politely asked to discuss a decision, I'd happily listen to him, & maybe even change my mind. If a crowd of 10 players, all pushing shoving & pressurising me get on my case, they have got no chance, ever. That's O Level psychology, we learn that at the age of 5. The Managers & Coaches must share a part of this blame, too, as must the Captain. They just have to tell the players "cut it out, it's pointless, only the Captain can query a decision, nobody else". For all his greatness, Sir Alex must take part of this blame - he encouraged his players to argue, backed them up when they did, as Don Revie did two decades earlier. So it became accepted. When we compare the various sports & how players react to officialdom, it's quite revealing. In, say, snooker, golf, RU, players don't argue with the ref, & accept decisions. In golf & snooker, they declare fouls or penalties against themselves, as we saw at The Open this week. Can you imagine that in football, where every decision, be it a throw in, corner, free kick, or penalty, results in both sets of players appealing? And they get rewarded for a "professional foul", rather than reprimanded. It's all so easy to solve, but we don't seem to want to. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: muckthenuts on July 19, 2015, 09:10:41 AM Totally agree, the disparity between rugby and football in that sense is ridiculous and rugby are the ones doing it right. However i'd suggest arguing with the ref in football has more of an effect than is perceived otherwise players wouldn't do it as much i reckon. Plus managers talk about there being "30,000 refs in Newcastle" and stuff like that. Things like that make me think it probably does make a significant difference, therefore no manager in football discourages his players from doing it.
Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: Doobs on July 19, 2015, 09:13:26 AM Sorry Tikay, but I don't like players arguing with the ref, but saying it is every time is ridiculous.
I think hyperbole is what I'd get rid of from sport. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: sovietsong on July 19, 2015, 09:37:44 AM Everybody to support their local team.
Ticket prices affordable. Love arbs no drug testing for 100m Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: RED-DOG on July 19, 2015, 09:41:27 AM Everybody to support their local team. Ticket prices affordable. Love arbs no drug testing for 100m Surely you can't enforce a rule that dictates who people support. How would that work sovvy? Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: rinswun on July 19, 2015, 09:48:41 AM I would change the umpires call relating to referred decisions in cricket. If the technology is as accurate as it says it is, just give it in or out.
There have been so many ridiculous referrals given not out due to umpires call and it makes a mockery of the whole thing. I know the referrals are there to eliminate clangers but there is too much riding on these games nowadays not to be as accurate as possible. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: Archer on July 19, 2015, 09:54:04 AM I would change the umpires call relating to referred decisions in cricket. If the technology is as accurate as it says it is, just give it in or out. There have been so many ridiculous referrals given not out due to umpires call and it makes a mockery of the whole thing. I know the referrals are there to eliminate clangers but there is too much riding on these games nowadays not to be as accurate as possible. Agree with that. Tilts me that there isn't an increased use of technology in football as well for the black and white decisions. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: Bazzaboy on July 19, 2015, 10:04:52 AM For the governing judges to stop using visually impaired judges in boxing.
Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: sovietsong on July 19, 2015, 10:16:05 AM Everybody to support their local team. Ticket prices affordable. Love arbs no drug testing for 100m Surely you can't enforce a rule that dictates who people support. How would that work sovvy? Sadly it's not enforceable. My worry is in 20 years we'll have 4 clubs with all the support & a lot of smaller clubs going out of business. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: hector62 on July 19, 2015, 10:41:16 AM I would make footballers bet 50% of their weekly wage on their own team to win.
Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: TheDazzler on July 19, 2015, 10:51:18 AM On the same line as the beautiful thread, if you were king or queen of sport for a day, what would be your royal decree? Swamping the ref doesn't tend to change his mind, but still they try... (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/31/article-0-0B6C8EE900000578-612_634x469.jpg) How many times out of 100 does the ref change his mind, or yield to player pressure? I bet it's less than 1% of the time. And yet the players do it every time. How dumb, & what a waste of energy, is that? Rugby Union solved that problem, football needs to. It's so easy to solve, too. You want to argue son? The free kick gets moved forward 10 yards, & you get a card. Still arguing? OK, it's a penalty & a red now. It's a classic case of group think, or collective think. Our team mate argues, so we all join him. If I were a ref, & one player politely asked to discuss a decision, I'd happily listen to him, & maybe even change my mind. If a crowd of 10 players, all pushing shoving & pressurising me get on my case, they have got no chance, ever. That's O Level psychology, we learn that at the age of 5. The Managers & Coaches must share a part of this blame, too, as must the Captain. They just have to tell the players "cut it out, it's pointless, only the Captain can query a decision, nobody else". For all his greatness, Sir Alex must take part of this blame - he encouraged his players to argue, backed them up when they did, as Don Revie did two decades earlier. So it became accepted. When we compare the various sports & how players react to officialdom, it's quite revealing. In, say, snooker, golf, RU, players don't argue with the ref, & accept decisions. In golf & snooker, they declare fouls or penalties against themselves, as we saw at The Open this week. Can you imagine that in football, where every decision, be it a throw in, corner, free kick, or penalty, results in both sets of players appealing? And they get rewarded for a "professional foul", rather than reprimanded. It's all so easy to solve, but we don't seem to want to. The reason players argue with the referee is not to get him to change his mind. It's not even close to being 1% of the time that would be successful. The only time I can remember a ref chaging his mind is the 1982 World Cup when the referee over ruled a goal after the Kuwaiti team walked off. The reason players do it is two fold. Firstly it is to create a doubt in the mind of the referee as to whether he got that decision right or wrong. If they are successful in creating that doubt, it makes the referee more likely to rule in their favour the next time, to 'even it up'. The reason that the aggressive, in your face, shouting and swearing goes on is intimidation. A referee exposed to a snarling group of players shouting and screaming in his face once does not want to experience that a 2nd time. A weak willed individual will 'bottle' a contentious decision if he feels he'll get that treatment. That's your O level psychology. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: tikay on July 19, 2015, 10:53:42 AM On the same line as the beautiful thread, if you were king or queen of sport for a day, what would be your royal decree? Swamping the ref doesn't tend to change his mind, but still they try... (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/31/article-0-0B6C8EE900000578-612_634x469.jpg) How many times out of 100 does the ref change his mind, or yield to player pressure? I bet it's less than 1% of the time. And yet the players do it every time. How dumb, & what a waste of energy, is that? Rugby Union solved that problem, football needs to. It's so easy to solve, too. You want to argue son? The free kick gets moved forward 10 yards, & you get a card. Still arguing? OK, it's a penalty & a red now. It's a classic case of group think, or collective think. Our team mate argues, so we all join him. If I were a ref, & one player politely asked to discuss a decision, I'd happily listen to him, & maybe even change my mind. If a crowd of 10 players, all pushing shoving & pressurising me get on my case, they have got no chance, ever. That's O Level psychology, we learn that at the age of 5. The Managers & Coaches must share a part of this blame, too, as must the Captain. They just have to tell the players "cut it out, it's pointless, only the Captain can query a decision, nobody else". For all his greatness, Sir Alex must take part of this blame - he encouraged his players to argue, backed them up when they did, as Don Revie did two decades earlier. So it became accepted. When we compare the various sports & how players react to officialdom, it's quite revealing. In, say, snooker, golf, RU, players don't argue with the ref, & accept decisions. In golf & snooker, they declare fouls or penalties against themselves, as we saw at The Open this week. Can you imagine that in football, where every decision, be it a throw in, corner, free kick, or penalty, results in both sets of players appealing? And they get rewarded for a "professional foul", rather than reprimanded. It's all so easy to solve, but we don't seem to want to. The reason players argue with the referee is not to get him to change his mind. It's not even close to being 1% of the time that would be successful. The only time I can remember a ref chaging his mind is the 1982 World Cup when the referee over ruled a goal after the Kuwaiti team walked off. The reason players do it is two fold. Firstly it is to create a doubt in the mind of the referee as to whether he got that decision right or wrong. If they are successful in creating that doubt, it makes the referee more likely to rule in their favour the next time, to 'even it up'. The reason that the aggressive, in your face, shouting and swearing goes on is intimidation. A referee exposed to a snarling group of players shouting and screaming in his face once does not want to experience that a 2nd time. A weak willed individual will 'bottle' a contentious decision if he feels he'll get that treatment. That's your O level psychology. I don't for one minute believe footballers, generally, are capable of that level of thought. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: JohnCharver on July 19, 2015, 11:41:24 AM Would like to see the rule they had in Serie A in the 90s where by four foreigners per squad with only 3 allowed to play a game in football. Not sure how it lies with euopean employment law or whatever but it has to be the way to develop the talent in our country. If that is a no goer then penalise unsportsmanlike behaviour and make it effective. Think the reverse would be more effective, let teams use whoever they want in any format. Would stop man city etc buying english to line their bench. Should get rid of all the federations from boxing and have a more natural system for who should fight who. I would ban elements of the media that peddle myths which bear no resemblance to the facts and then are lapped up by punters as a truth and shape an erroneus perception which is repeatedly regurgitaed in social media and internet forums. Case in point is City buy English to line their bench. Really? Since the takeover nearly 7 years ago only 2 young and established English have been bought by City and not used and one of them was a sicknote. Or just make up stats to make a point. What about all the players they have failed to release, like lescott, or paid far too much so they end up running their deal? Chose a great word to misspell there as well. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: Tal on July 19, 2015, 11:52:45 AM Erronueus was the Greek philosopher whose works were all disproved shortly afterwards.
Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: Doobs on July 19, 2015, 11:56:48 AM Everybody to support their local team. Ticket prices affordable. Love arbs no drug testing for 100m Surely you can't enforce a rule that dictates who people support. How would that work sovvy? Sadly it's not enforceable. My worry is in 20 years we'll have 4 clubs with all the support & a lot of smaller clubs going out of business. Wasn't if always the way? Not many Bradford City fans in my school, loads of Liverpool, Man U and dirty Leeds fans. One of my brothers even started supporting Everton when they were doing well. My daughter's school is the same. They all support the current glory teams and Spurs. Not sure any of them support the nearest teams. My daughter, of course, supports Bradford City, but they are 150 miles up the road. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: sovietsong on July 19, 2015, 12:58:50 PM Everybody to support their local team. Ticket prices affordable. Love arbs no drug testing for 100m Surely you can't enforce a rule that dictates who people support. How would that work sovvy? Sadly it's not enforceable. My worry is in 20 years we'll have 4 clubs with all the support & a lot of smaller clubs going out of business. Wasn't if always the way? Not many Bradford City fans in my school, loads of Liverpool, Man U and dirty Leeds fans. One of my brothers even started supporting Everton when they were doing well. My daughter's school is the same. They all support the current glory teams and Spurs. Not sure any of them support the nearest teams. My daughter, of course, supports Bradford City, but they are 150 miles up the road. Possibly, I just think that it seems worse now. Maybe it's because dirty leeds aren't getting any glory supporters & I'm bitter Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: hhyftrftdr on July 19, 2015, 01:56:25 PM Would like to see the rule they had in Serie A in the 90s where by four foreigners per squad with only 3 allowed to play a game in football. Not sure how it lies with euopean employment law or whatever but it has to be the way to develop the talent in our country. If that is a no goer then penalise unsportsmanlike behaviour and make it effective. Think the reverse would be more effective, let teams use whoever they want in any format. Would stop man city etc buying english to line their bench. Should get rid of all the federations from boxing and have a more natural system for who should fight who. I would ban elements of the media that peddle myths which bear no resemblance to the facts and then are lapped up by punters as a truth and shape an erroneus perception which is repeatedly regurgitaed in social media and internet forums. Case in point is City buy English to line their bench. Really? Since the takeover nearly 7 years ago only 2 young and established English have been bought by City and not used and one of them was a sicknote. Or just make up stats to make a point. What about all the players they have failed to release, like lescott, or paid far too much so they end up running their deal? Chose a great word to misspell there as well. Lescott, Barry, Milner all had successful careers at the club. Richards was made of glass and is far inferior to Zabaleta. Remember though that Richards picked up 12 caps for England whilst in our first team a few years ago. Hart plays week in week out. Johnson showed promise but couldn't follow Mancini's tactics and also had a penchant for the Manchester nightlife. To get £12m for him was a great deal for us. Setting the world alight at Sunderland? Hardly. Rodwell might have got more of a look in had he remained fit. Also at Sunderland, also not a world beater. Sinclair, well yes that's the one that will always baffle. Blame Marewood for that! But yes, let's all take the tabloid pieces as gospel. Clearly Man City are at fault for England being shit for the last 40 years. Back on topic, I'd probably sack off the national team. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: JohnCharver on July 19, 2015, 02:10:23 PM Would like to see the rule they had in Serie A in the 90s where by four foreigners per squad with only 3 allowed to play a game in football. Not sure how it lies with euopean employment law or whatever but it has to be the way to develop the talent in our country. If that is a no goer then penalise unsportsmanlike behaviour and make it effective. Think the reverse would be more effective, let teams use whoever they want in any format. Would stop man city etc buying english to line their bench. Should get rid of all the federations from boxing and have a more natural system for who should fight who. I would ban elements of the media that peddle myths which bear no resemblance to the facts and then are lapped up by punters as a truth and shape an erroneus perception which is repeatedly regurgitaed in social media and internet forums. Case in point is City buy English to line their bench. Really? Since the takeover nearly 7 years ago only 2 young and established English have been bought by City and not used and one of them was a sicknote. Or just make up stats to make a point. What about all the players they have failed to release, like lescott, or paid far too much so they end up running their deal? Chose a great word to misspell there as well. Lescott, Barry, Milner all had successful careers at the club. Richards was made of glass and is far inferior to Zabaleta. Remember though that Richards picked up 12 caps for England whilst in our first team a few years ago. Hart plays week in week out. Johnson showed promise but couldn't follow Mancini's tactics and also had a penchant for the Manchester nightlife. To get £12m for him was a great deal for us. Setting the world alight at Sunderland? Hardly. Rodwell might have got more of a look in had he remained fit. Also at Sunderland, also not a world beater. Sinclair, well yes that's the one that will always baffle. Blame Marewood for that! But yes, let's all take the tabloid pieces as gospel. Clearly Man City are at fault for England being shit for the last 40 years. Back on topic, I'd probably sack off the national team. You cant really say how useful they would have been if city didnt need to sign/retain english players/totally over pay them to keep them/convince them to retire at 20-25. All the players you named took too long to leave. I dont blame city, I blame any system which stops you signing whoever you want or having anybody you want in the club. England are shit because its too easy to get a deal you dont deserve then do nothing for 5 years. Johnson hasnt been the same since he played with the under 15s Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: hhyftrftdr on July 19, 2015, 03:31:52 PM Would like to see the rule they had in Serie A in the 90s where by four foreigners per squad with only 3 allowed to play a game in football. Not sure how it lies with euopean employment law or whatever but it has to be the way to develop the talent in our country. If that is a no goer then penalise unsportsmanlike behaviour and make it effective. Think the reverse would be more effective, let teams use whoever they want in any format. Would stop man city etc buying english to line their bench. Should get rid of all the federations from boxing and have a more natural system for who should fight who. I would ban elements of the media that peddle myths which bear no resemblance to the facts and then are lapped up by punters as a truth and shape an erroneus perception which is repeatedly regurgitaed in social media and internet forums. Case in point is City buy English to line their bench. Really? Since the takeover nearly 7 years ago only 2 young and established English have been bought by City and not used and one of them was a sicknote. Or just make up stats to make a point. What about all the players they have failed to release, like lescott, or paid far too much so they end up running their deal? Chose a great word to misspell there as well. Lescott, Barry, Milner all had successful careers at the club. Richards was made of glass and is far inferior to Zabaleta. Remember though that Richards picked up 12 caps for England whilst in our first team a few years ago. Hart plays week in week out. Johnson showed promise but couldn't follow Mancini's tactics and also had a penchant for the Manchester nightlife. To get £12m for him was a great deal for us. Setting the world alight at Sunderland? Hardly. Rodwell might have got more of a look in had he remained fit. Also at Sunderland, also not a world beater. Sinclair, well yes that's the one that will always baffle. Blame Marewood for that! But yes, let's all take the tabloid pieces as gospel. Clearly Man City are at fault for England being shit for the last 40 years. Back on topic, I'd probably sack off the national team. You cant really say how useful they would have been if city didnt need to sign/retain english players/totally over pay them to keep them/convince them to retire at 20-25. All the players you named took too long to leave. I dont blame city, I blame any system which stops you signing whoever you want or having anybody you want in the club. England are shit because its too easy to get a deal you dont deserve then do nothing for 5 years. Johnson hasnt been the same since he played with the under 15s wp gg! Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: HutchGF on July 19, 2015, 03:35:51 PM Bristow's commentary a close 2nd to that horrendous 'stand-up' chant.
What would you set the over/under on his use of the word 'lovely' at on his next stint? Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: RickBFA on July 19, 2015, 03:59:36 PM On the same line as the beautiful thread, if you were king or queen of sport for a day, what would be your royal decree? Swamping the ref doesn't tend to change his mind, but still they try... (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/31/article-0-0B6C8EE900000578-612_634x469.jpg) How many times out of 100 does the ref change his mind, or yield to player pressure? I bet it's less than 1% of the time. And yet the players do it every time. How dumb, & what a waste of energy, is that? Rugby Union solved that problem, football needs to. It's so easy to solve, too. You want to argue son? The free kick gets moved forward 10 yards, & you get a card. Still arguing? OK, it's a penalty & a red now. It's a classic case of group think, or collective think. Our team mate argues, so we all join him. If I were a ref, & one player politely asked to discuss a decision, I'd happily listen to him, & maybe even change my mind. If a crowd of 10 players, all pushing shoving & pressurising me get on my case, they have got no chance, ever. That's O Level psychology, we learn that at the age of 5. The Managers & Coaches must share a part of this blame, too, as must the Captain. They just have to tell the players "cut it out, it's pointless, only the Captain can query a decision, nobody else". For all his greatness, Sir Alex must take part of this blame - he encouraged his players to argue, backed them up when they did, as Don Revie did two decades earlier. So it became accepted. When we compare the various sports & how players react to officialdom, it's quite revealing. In, say, snooker, golf, RU, players don't argue with the ref, & accept decisions. In golf & snooker, they declare fouls or penalties against themselves, as we saw at The Open this week. Can you imagine that in football, where every decision, be it a throw in, corner, free kick, or penalty, results in both sets of players appealing? And they get rewarded for a "professional foul", rather than reprimanded. It's all so easy to solve, but we don't seem to want to. 100% agree Tikay. The football authorities could solve the problem with the types of changes you mention but don't seem interested. Same with diving. For me it should be a straight red card and minimum 2 match ban. For some reason they see content with things as they are. Makes no sense to me. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: TheDazzler on July 19, 2015, 09:25:38 PM On the same line as the beautiful thread, if you were king or queen of sport for a day, what would be your royal decree? Swamping the ref doesn't tend to change his mind, but still they try... (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/31/article-0-0B6C8EE900000578-612_634x469.jpg) How many times out of 100 does the ref change his mind, or yield to player pressure? I bet it's less than 1% of the time. And yet the players do it every time. How dumb, & what a waste of energy, is that? Rugby Union solved that problem, football needs to. It's so easy to solve, too. You want to argue son? The free kick gets moved forward 10 yards, & you get a card. Still arguing? OK, it's a penalty & a red now. It's a classic case of group think, or collective think. Our team mate argues, so we all join him. If I were a ref, & one player politely asked to discuss a decision, I'd happily listen to him, & maybe even change my mind. If a crowd of 10 players, all pushing shoving & pressurising me get on my case, they have got no chance, ever. That's O Level psychology, we learn that at the age of 5. The Managers & Coaches must share a part of this blame, too, as must the Captain. They just have to tell the players "cut it out, it's pointless, only the Captain can query a decision, nobody else". For all his greatness, Sir Alex must take part of this blame - he encouraged his players to argue, backed them up when they did, as Don Revie did two decades earlier. So it became accepted. When we compare the various sports & how players react to officialdom, it's quite revealing. In, say, snooker, golf, RU, players don't argue with the ref, & accept decisions. In golf & snooker, they declare fouls or penalties against themselves, as we saw at The Open this week. Can you imagine that in football, where every decision, be it a throw in, corner, free kick, or penalty, results in both sets of players appealing? And they get rewarded for a "professional foul", rather than reprimanded. It's all so easy to solve, but we don't seem to want to. 100% agree Tikay. The football authorities could solve the problem with the types of changes you mention but don't seem interested. Same with diving. For me it should be a straight red card and minimum 2 match ban. For some reason they see content with things as they are. Makes no sense to me. I'd agree on the badgering of referees. I don't understand why referees allow it, especially when they have rules regarding 'dissent' to adequetely deal with it. Regarding diving, it seems an insoluble problem to me. You regularly have football pundits looking at slow motion tv replays dozens of times and still not agreeing on whether something was a penalty or a dive. You do have refs booking players for dives at the moment and they probably get at least 10% of those wrong, maybe as high as 25%? There might be half a dozen cases a season where someone has very clearly dived and you could take action (Oscar diving 2 years ago) but the vast, vast majority of the time, you're going to have a high % chance of making a huge, game changing error. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: nirvana on July 19, 2015, 10:26:23 PM I would change the umpires call relating to referred decisions in cricket. If the technology is as accurate as it says it is, just give it in or out. There have been so many ridiculous referrals given not out due to umpires call and it makes a mockery of the whole thing. I know the referrals are there to eliminate clangers but there is too much riding on these games nowadays not to be as accurate as possible. I'd take a contrary view to this - there is literally nothing of any value riding on these games. The only benefit that accrues from DRS is a slight enhancement to the drama factor for broadcasters. I'd happily see it go as it adds nothing to the spectacle for me. Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: nirvana on July 19, 2015, 10:28:19 PM The reason players argue with the referee is not to get him to change his mind. It's not even close to being 1% of the time that would be successful. The only time I can remember a ref chaging his mind is the 1982 World Cup when the referee over ruled a goal after the Kuwaiti team walked off. The reason players do it is two fold. Firstly it is to create a doubt in the mind of the referee as to whether he got that decision right or wrong. If they are successful in creating that doubt, it makes the referee more likely to rule in their favour the next time, to 'even it up'. The reason that the aggressive, in your face, shouting and swearing goes on is intimidation. A referee exposed to a snarling group of players shouting and screaming in his face once does not want to experience that a 2nd time. A weak willed individual will 'bottle' a contentious decision if he feels he'll get that treatment. That's your O level psychology. Glad I read on before posting, this is of course the right answer Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: BulldozerD on July 20, 2015, 10:15:55 AM Amongst other things I'd scrap any form of forced handshake before a game passed of as "respect". To me it only means anything if 2 opponents/teams can show respect to each other after the game, irrespective of the result or what has gone before.
Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: TightEnd on July 20, 2015, 10:21:36 AM Making team captains read out a prepared speech by the organiser after the national anthems
"we condemn racism and " etc etc Often delivered in a monotone voice (and why not, these are sportsmen not trained media professionals) with dodgy acoustics and sound quality, it is assumed that the people to whom the message applies a) respect the person delivering the message b) are listening c) if they do listen understand it what a waste of time. Changing societal attitudes comes from families and standards of education not force feeding it to an unresponsive audience in the seconds before a big game Title: Re: The one thing I'd change about sport Post by: AdamM on July 20, 2015, 12:04:37 PM MMA judging/refereeing.
It's horrendously variable. With Judges, I would insist they were all qualified to judge MMA specifically. Many come from Traditional martial arts or boxing backgrounds and don't seem to understand what they're watching sometimes. Perhaps there should be a panel of current and former fighters, plus the better referees and representatives of the major promotions and athletic commissions to provide a better selection processes for the judges. Even better, perhaps judges should be former fighters. In terms of referees, I think more often than not it's bad decisions made in the heat of the moment, rather than being bad referees. Even the best refs (Dean, McCarthy, Yamasaki, Goddard, etc) make mistakes or miss things with no ability to reverse split second decisions. If a ref jumps in to stop a fight and becomes immediately aware they've been premature and the fighter is able to continue, they should be able to restart the fight. Even the introduction of the MMA equivalent of a standing 8 count perhaps. Also, there could be assistant refs cage-side to alert the in-cage ref of fouls such as groin strikes or eye pokes that are missed inside the cage due to the line of sight of the ref. |