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Title: Live tournament - best line to take? Post by: nlfreddie on August 04, 2015, 02:23:56 AM This hand is from a £150 live tournament in London. Discussed it with some close friends, but would very much appreciate the views of people on blondepoker.
Day 1 maybe 6 hours in. Deep structure. My image is fairly loose/aggressive despite being short stacked. Blinds are 500/1000 with a 100ante. My stack is 17k. Playing 9 handed. Dealt 8c 8s on the button. Action folds round to an older man in the cut off who limps. I have seen him raise premium hands earlier. I make it 3000. A loose player calls from the SB, BB folds and CO calls. Both have me covered. Pot is about 11k, I have 14k back. 9c 2c 3s Both players check to me. I think for 10seconds then move all in. Small blind thinks for some time before folding. Cut off quickly calls with 9s Tc. I don't improve. Questions: What is the best play pre flop? With 88 should I just shove pre with 17bigs after a cut off limp which is very rarely strong? Having made it 3000 pre, should I bet small on the flop and take it from there? My logic was that my hand probably looks like AK/AQ when I quickly shove the flop, so I can get called by worse. And there are a lot of chips out there, given my chip stack. I imagine I have the best hand fairy often so am chipping up relatively risk free? Title: Re: Live tournament - best line to take? Post by: Magic817 on August 04, 2015, 02:59:07 AM This hand is from a £150 live tournament in London. Discussed it with some close friends, but would very much appreciate the views of people on blondepoker. Day 1 maybe 6 hours in. Deep structure. My image is fairly loose/aggressive despite being short stacked. Blinds are 500/1000 with a 100ante. My stack is 17k. Playing 9 handed. Dealt 8c 8s on the button. Action folds round to an older man in the cut off who limps. I have seen him raise premium hands earlier. I make it 3000. A loose player calls from the SB, BB folds and CO calls. Both have me covered. Pot is about 11k, I have 14k back. 9c 2c 3s Both players check to me. I think for 10seconds then move all in. Small blind thinks for some time before folding. Cut off quickly calls with 9s Tc. I don't improve. Questions: What is the best play pre flop? With 88 should I just shove pre with 17bigs after a cut off limp which is very rarely strong? Having made it 3000 pre, should I bet small on the flop and take it from there? My logic was that my hand probably looks like AK/AQ when I quickly shove the flop, so I can get called by worse. And there are a lot of chips out there, given my chip stack. I imagine I have the best hand fairy often so am chipping up relatively risk free? I would be shoving pre, you have 17bb no need to complicate things. Title: Re: Live tournament - best line to take? Post by: cambridgealex on August 04, 2015, 10:53:35 AM Yeh just stick it in pre. It's a very profitable jam and 88 is too vulnerable to take to a flop with this stack.
As played, you did the right thing sticking the rest in on the flop - a good example of why you should jam pre. Title: Re: Live tournament - best line to take? Post by: Young_gun on August 04, 2015, 04:44:58 PM Jam pre perfect stack size the only play to think about here. Your reasoning of not jamming pre seems opposite (no offence intended) you mention that you haven't seen him limp monsters which is more reason to shove. I'd prob shove like 44/55 + kq/aq might even be wider still
Post flop if I'm honest I don't agree with shove mainly as you are turning ur hand into a bluff which doesn't really make sense here, it can look strong but not really gettying many better hands to fold a bet of 3500 would do the trick Title: Re: Live tournament - best line to take? Post by: nlfreddie on August 04, 2015, 09:18:42 PM Thanks a lot for your comments - very useful.
Seems obvious now that shoving pre is by far the best play. Too vulnerable a hand to be raising small pre flop for value with that chip stack. Shoving may also get looked up by small pocket pairs by the cut off, which would be a brilliant result. |