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http://fox13now.com/2015/09/08/plane-catches-fire-on-runway-in-las-vegas/ (http://fox13now.com/2015/09/08/plane-catches-fire-on-runway-in-las-vegas/)

Seems everyone safe

Tikay will be pleased

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/567401-ba-777-fire-las-vegas.html (http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/567401-ba-777-fire-las-vegas.html)

Includes video from a different plane and captain announcing mayday to control tower.

That was scary, thanks for sharing, Doobs.

A range of great photos here....

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/09/british-airways-plane-catches-fire-on-las-vegas-runway-photos-videos/

Don't think this bird will fly again in a while.

A new variant on "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas"......


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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34191035 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34191035)

Don't forget your iPad. 

There is a huge furore about this matter, there always is in such circumstances.

Team Told You So always describe these passengers as "idiots".

It's not like that though, it's simple human nature.

A great example was given on PPRuNe yesterday of one emergency evacuation in New York.

Most passengers took their hand baggage & bits & bobs with them. The Airline then booked them into the local Sheraton for 2 nights.

Those who obeyed the instructions to leave behind personal effects, including passports - were locked up in a cell for 2 days, as Immigration refused to admit them without a passport.

My man bag is coming with me, almost certainly.

We have a new hero, too.

The pilot of that BA 'plane was on his penultimate flight before retiring. The Media will love that.



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Cynicism aside, he did everything perfectly, & nobody died, it was textbook stuff. It's not so many years ago most of those on board would have burned to death.

When this one caught fire on the runway at Manchester in 1985, 54 people died.


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On a positive note I'm on that flight in a few weeks so I'm glad this has happened now rather than in a few weeks!!!

I remember watching a channel 4(?) documentary on the manchester Fire.  One bloke survived from much further back than anyone else.  He went over the backs of the seats to the exit past a bunch of people blocking the gangway collecting their hand luggage. 

Your passport should be in your pocket obv.  Man bag tsk.   Though grabbing hand bags is less idiotic than the overhead luggage.

Got a big post in me on this but will have to wait til after work.  Don't worry I can be an idiot too.

Don't remind me about passports - I lost mine on the flight home from Vegas.

So I had to fill some "online" forms in, which included "where did you lose it - "UK or Overseas", & that led to some complications, & I had to be interviewed by the Passport Suits.                       

I wonder what would be considered 'reasonable force' in that situation if you're stuck behind someone pissing about with the overhead lockers and they won't move.

That came up on the PPRuNe thread.

Geezer said if the fella in front was pissing about with his hand luggage, he'd knock him out. Fair enough.  So someone replied, "is starting a fight whilst x hundred people are trying to get off a burning plane really a good idea?" That's fair comment, too.

Everyone says what we should or should not do in these spots. Until we've been in them though, we don't know, do we?

I wouldn't give a shiny shite if it was deemed reasonable or not. If he doesn't move I'm flattening him.

What about if it's a her - some old woman trying to get her handbag out? Old people can be notoriously obstinate.

FYP

I would just get up and go. Maybe some sort of locking system should be installed where the bins can be automatically locked in the event of an emergency.

read this...good idea.

If you have your man bag/ handbag/small carrier with you in your seat....fair enough.

 Get up and go, simple......no one wants to feel a Red-Dog right hook.

Not sure where you read this, but if people are behaving irrationally in a fire, will the fact the overhead locker stop them behaving irrationally.  I can just imagine a bunch of idiots blocking the way all trying to force there way into overhead lockers. 
Just shoving past and not saying excuse me is definitely the way forward. 

It would probably be similar to getting on a Ryan air flight , only in reverse

I've seen this Captain referred to as a 'hero' in the media, I'm not sure why though. I've not read anything about it on PPRuNe but seen the video from on board where the engine is on raging fire and the cabin crew are instructing everyone to remain seated. Why on earth was the order to evacuate given so long after such a fire? Also why were pax being evacuated out of both sides of the aircraft??

I don't see how issuing the instruction to get off the plane makes you a hero. Not doing so would have been negligent.

There seems to be a question over how he parked the plane, with the fire upwind, blowing onto the plane. One of the lessons learned from Manchester was to stop a plane with a burning wing with the fire downwind, so it's not blowing on the plane, fuel, passengers, escape chutes.............

Something I don't understand is how so many passengers were injured. Twenty-seven were injured to the extent that they had hospital treatment. Without knowing the details, I wonder if there is a design flaw with those chutes.  How hard is it to design chutes that don't injure 10% of people sliding ten feet?

I'd hate to be involved in an emergency whilst on a plane, but those chutes do look fun. Perhaps they are less fun when escaping a burning plane.

Bloody hurts when you collide with a hard-shell carry on case.

I would imagine that most of the injuries are small friction burns, knocks and sprains caused by 100s of people, many of whom will be old and sedentary, moving quickly in a tightly packed bunch. Some will have fallen over on the tarmac, or twisted their ankles in high heels.

Send a few hundred random people down any playground slide and you will get a few injuries. It's nothing to do with the slide design imo.

Some of the injuries were people hitting other people/luggage on slides then some falling off. Others allegedly jumped from plane as slides were full of luggage/people.

There were a couple of interviews on the bbc.

Cheers. I'll have a look.

Found it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34215283 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34215283)

The second fella talks about the build up of people/luggage on slides causing people to jump and fall off slides.

Thank you.


That's quite telling actually. Perhaps they should start announcing that passengers with luggage will not be allowed to leave.

It's an insoluble problem as long as folks can take hand luggage into the cabin. People don't behave rationally in these situations, no matter how much we lecture & moan.

Maybe the solution is a complete ban on carry-on baggage, barring handbags & manbags.

As long as people can take carry on luggage, they will try to take it with them in an evacuation. You can't legislate against human nature.

In this event, all the injuries were due to hand-luggage causing injuries on the emergency slide. Maybe the USA authorities should prosecute those who did for "endangering life" or whatever?

According to your logic, (Which is probably correct) It wouldn't do any good anyway.

"People don't behave rationally in these situations"

Yup, maybe so. The prospect of 5 years in a cell might help though.

OK, let's ban carry-on luggage. Ryanair may not approve, of course.

Nooo... No sledgehammer v walnut approach plz.

Don't ban carry on, most of the time, it's the only luggage we take.

About 4 weeks ago I was driving on a dual carriageway at about 9pm.  I'd already done about 200 miles so I was fairly tired.  I was just overtaking a row of possibly 3 cars at not much over 70 when something odd happened.

I saw a car coming round a corner from the right in the opposite direction.  I looked at it twice as it looked to be on the wrong carriageway.  It was dark and I just kind of dismissed it as just some kind of illusion and carried on looking ahead. 

Then the car came round the corner and was fully in view and it wa clearly in my line driving directly at me.  At that stage my brain just stopped making sensible decisions.  My first thought was is this my mistake and is this really a dual carriageway.  So I looked at the two lanes on the other side.  I then thought well I am in the right, so he should move.  Only then did I realise there was a barrier and I had to be the one that moved. 

I don't know how fast he was going but we were closing on each other very fast and I probably pulled over less than a second before we collided.  I have no idea how close I was to tge cars I was overtaking as I was just concentrating on not hitting the one in front.  I don't know how much time I had to make these decisions, it may well all have only taken a second or two, but I definitely thought about all these things in the wrong order.  This meant I got very close to at absolute best a very serious injury or two.

I was up with the family last weekend and I mentioned this.  My niece is doing medical training and said this kind of thing is quite well known in psychology.  When your brain is faced with a series of unfamiliar and confusing events it tends to get a bit overloaded and not function very well.  Some people would just freeze completely in that situation and plough into the car in front.

Anyway this is all a long way of saying yes they were been stupid, but you never know how you would react to something like this until you are there.  I'd hope I'd be first out of the door clinging my kids, and having been caught on the verges of a couple of fires, I dont think I am ever going in the overhead lockers.  Suspect there is zero chance my wife leaves our stuff in the overhead lockers. 

Fwiw I read 56 the story of the bradford fire on my holidays (not sure that is wise), and the author survived by running across the stand rather than waiting for the doors to open at the back of the stand with the rest of his family.

Imo the size/weight of carry-on luggage allowed nowadays, especially for long-haul, is frankly ridiculous.
If I was in the same situation, I would grab my messenger bag, which has usually got all the passports/documents/money for the family, from under the seat if I had time. Wouldn't even consider getting something from an overhead locker.

Injuries are hardly surprising exiting a plane in an emergency, not exactly something you ever get practice at, fortunately.

The only luggage I carry on planes is a messenger bag - I did notice a lot of people just coming back from America who had more in hand luggage than I had in hold luggage. I think restricting the size of hand luggage to that kind of size would be reasonable and would cause less of a problem in these situations.

Possibly getting rid of overhead lockers - If your bag can't fit under the seat in front of you it's not allowed(?)

What if you're tall and don't want a bag in your already limited leg room? 

Airlines should just stop people taking suitcases and bloody big bags on.

Exactly, tallism is rife.

You make a good point - just smaller bags should be enough anyway.