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Just read this story about a female barrister who's kicked up a fuss about a message she received on LinkedIn. She sent a connection request to a senior partner in another law firm. He commented on her how good her pictured looked amongst other comments. She has complained about this objectifying of women.

Not sure if I can sympathise with her, actually I don't!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/34206080/linkedin-sexism-row-charlotte-proudman-says-lawyer-used-site-like-tinder

I think she has a point to be fair.
If she turned up at a job interview and the interviewer commented on her attractiveness, you'd think that was odd.
This is no different. She's initiated a professional contact, and he's made a personal comment.
She's not suing the guy or attempting any sort of legal action. She's just calling him out on it.

Seems far too over the top to me.  I don't think she's got a point at all, the letter seems polite and innocent enough, it's not like he banged on about it, simply paid a compliment.

Linked in is rife with this.

Althought some people do go OTT with there profile pictures and I do think, wow this is a "professional" network not Facebook.

Not going to do her job prospects much good probably, a lot of people will be scared to hire her now probably....

He knew the comment was unprofessional. He eluded to it in the comment itself.

You may be right, but I think that just underlines that there's a cultural problem.

Why do we connect on LinkedIn? I know I connect to try and further my career. I'm just whoring myself. She is insinuating that he was trying to get into her knickers by making those comments. By initiating the connection with him, to better herself, is she just doing the same but without the sexual connotation?

So what if it was?  I just don't think it's a big deal. 

If someone posted a message to me that they thought I looked OK in my picture, I'm probably going to smile rather than call the police.

It was but she has gone way over the top with her response for starters.  Then she decides to put it on twitter to drum up a social media storm against him.  And to top it off she gives an interview to a newspaper about the incident.

I think he comes off as a bumbling dinosaur.  She comes across as a complete nightmare.

She was even on the radio.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0322xwg

The more I think about it the more I'm against her. I mean for god sake so what if his intent was to pull her? It's not as if he used a company message board to do it.

It's a bloody compliment! Stupid bitch!

Looking at an article she wrote earlier in the year, it seems the old duffer couldn't have picked a worse target for his clumsy unprofessional compliment.  It was the equivilant of unpinning a hand grenade and sticking it down his own y-fronts!

http://leftfootforward.org/2015/02/why-i-want-feminism-and-not-equality-and-why-they-are-not-the-same-thing/

I once worked in a local prison and one day, in the office block, an electrician called a secretary 'love'. Bloody hell, you would have thought he just called her every name under the sun whilst murdering her entire family and mutilating her pet cat. Another stupid bitch!

LOL

Literally, as I was catching up on the thread, my phone buzzed to let me know I had a connection request and message from a recruiter on LinkedIn.

Hi Adam
Hope you are well. I am keen to get in touch regarding an opportunity for...details...

Are you open to new opportunities?

Kind regards


How odd would it have been if there was something like this included in the message:
"you look very handsome in your profile photo. One of the nicest photos I've seen on LinkedIn. I'm sure we could do business together."

Would you not have smiled though?

So what would have happened if he'd refused on the basis she was a munter and told her that?

I'd be fooking ecstatic, compliments are thin on the ground as you get older and fatter!!!  :D

Very unlikely to happen.

she has a point on the professional angle.. but her response is ridiculous..

Theres not a woman or man on this earth who doesnt like a compliment .. if some hot Brad Pitt lookalike said it she'd be swooning..

Give her twenty years..she will be dying to get a compliment..

Needs to have the rod removed from her backside

I agree GC

But sometimes women are very strange....

How about in a bar, is it wrong to approach a woman and pay her compliments? or ask her out for a date? or just a coffee some lunch time?

I think she is prob a lesbian. Would still smash it tho.

Now if the bloke messaged her that comment it would be newsworthy and hero like at the same time.

Women want compliments and then dont want compliments.

Why do men never realise we will never win.

Agreed if he was hot and her age she would have loved it.

Its a bit creepy but some people are creeps get over it.

Someone added me and then got all arsey about my spelling and grammar and proceeded to point out every mistake on my profile page which I enjoyed reading and changed my profile accordingly, he thought he was being cool but in the end I won by just messaging thanks.

stopped reading there

I'm with bobblehat.

She will have spent half the morning trying to look nice, and then she kicks off when someone says it.

Stupid vindictive attention seeking bitch.

Genuinely lolled on a train!

Reaction is pretty OTT I mean he closed it with a pretty nice professional comment and prewarned his comment for context. I am sure if she responded back saying you too he would be on it like a car bonnet but still....

She is right, the old guy is wrong. However, it was a small slight and the severity of the punishment is completely disproportionate. It is wrong that a professional should be judged so blatantly on their looks, but the lengths she has gone to to shame this guy and possibly ruin his career are much worse and obviously much more calculated.

We live in an age of weaponised offence taking.

No... think its the professional side of it that is relevant... though its amusing a bird whose dolled herself up and has her tits hanging out gets affronted when someone shes not attracted to trys to chat her up.. check out the 40+ desperado women on dating sites love.. next stop :)

She's a joke.

Guy pays her a compliment on her photo after she has dolled herself up and she takes offence.

Absolute piss take , world gone mad if it's even open to debate who is in the wrong.

She needs to grow a pair.

She's in the evening standard tonight keeping it up.  "I want him to acknowledge he has done something wrong" and she is pursuing the CEO of his company to that end. 

Of the issue of privacy she says her actions are in the public interest.

In my opinion she's a vindictive moron. 

Should people who feel like this wear a burka?

Just listened to her on Sky News.

Why didn't she post a "normal" picture of herself , without any make up and her hair in curlers.

You could say she was trying to use her photo to get "business"  ;).

Is that not sexist in itself ?

This ^^

Why is she right because the Guy has paid her a compliment ?

It's human interaction , it goes on everywhere , but because it's supposed to be a website
where you have professional etiquette , it's deemed inappropriate.

Load of bollucks , it really is.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/09/a-compliment-isnt-misogynistic-why-dont-feminists-understand-this/

Sums it up quite well.

This

Utter bollucks

we don't have many ladies posting regularly - some but not many - i wonder if their perspective on this would be any different?

Turn it on its head and let's say the woman posted the comment to the man.

Does anyone seriously think that a bloke would take offence when a woman pays him a compliment.

If he did complain then he needs to grow a pair as well.

On a recent flight back from the USA i was sat right at the rear near the galley.. so traffic of the stewardesses was high..

One of the stewardesses was perhaps mid forties and not unattractive but not my particular cup of tea generally.. wearing my earphones and watching an in flight movie i became aware of her stroke the top of my arm.. I assumed it was to get my attention ( i suppose it was ) As I took my earphones off she said ' i think you have lovely arms '

I was a little taken aback.. smiled awkwardly  and said thank you...

Now you could argue that this was highly inappropriate and unprofessional.. but do you know something I was quite chuffed...

In true Mantis stlye obv if the kids wernt with me id been in the loo smashing its back doors in :)

Despite my levity I think it was very nice..and ladies.. you can give us guys compliments too..we actually like them :)

Any thoughts on why that might be the case?

TBF

I did say 'despite my levity '

its the same as starting an insult 'no offence but..'

:)

Too many boring old farts?

I wonder if some women get offended when the James Blunt song "You're Beautiful" comes on the radio??

I have spoken about this to a few females today and not one of them thought any differently to me. The one woman who I thought would be against me was the most vocal about how this type of publicity is bad for the feminist movement and didn't agree with the with the complaint in the first place.

Well he is shit.

Do you mind explaining your point in relation to my post.  Having looked at the offence and her response I think she is a vindictive moron.  Does having that opinion make me sexist?

I think he's great.

Music isn't great, but he is com.

You're right Marky just trying for the comedy laughs and failing. :(

Arriving at that opinion does, yes, in my opinion. You have downplayed the offence caused and ascribed a specific motivation to her actions without any real knowledge of the impact on her.

The use of the word moron is pretty ill-advised too. In my opinion.

I called him a "bumbling dinosaur" early in the thread.  Nobody emerges with credit.  Basically you're saying unless I agree with her actions I am sexist.

Frankly that's imbecilic.

Some people are offended if you as much as fart in their direction from 5 miles away these days.....

:D

I use Linked In every day and have a premium recruiter account and have over 1500 connections. There is ABSOLUTELY one thing for sure. Some women AND men use their looks to try and get a commercial business advantage, especially in recruitment.

Look up ANY high street or professional recruitment agency and you will see exactly the evidence you need.

Rob Yong's old recruitment business whilst it did have good consultants, they were all certainly easy on the eye and 'presentable' and we all know he ain't a daft operator when knowing what people want and providing it.

It's life! It always will be! Get over it!

You're right it's life, looks make a difference in the commercial world. We do a lot of recruitment for sales people in our line of work, assuming most other things are equal (which is often the case) the attractive presentable person will get the job every time!

Studies show that attractive people are generally more successful in life too....

Didn't you just get upgraded to business class?

The bloke has clearly been an idiot and shouldn't have said what he said on linkedin.  I don't know what others have been seeing, but it isn't like she put a really sexy shot out there, it almost looks like his excuse that he was commenting on how professional the photo was more believable.  Obviously isn't believable though.

I have no understanding how she had to look up who he was after he had responded to her invite.  Surely you do that stuff before inviting anyone, and the whole thing has blown massively out of proportion.  Not sure how much of that is her fault though, the press does its own thing.  Another day, nobody would pick this up and it would blow over quietly.

* to be fair, I have done ok too.

Does the fact that she mentions, in her reply to him, that she was half his age, does this make her ageist?

Yeah but I'm absolutely shit hot at my job, they'd need to be miss world to get their noses in front of me in the promotion game  ;nana;

Probably, but it certainly makes it more creepy too!

OK I accept that you're not sexist.
I bet you have lots of friends who are women.

tbf I get a lot of women calling me handsome, sexy etc and I do find it quite tiresome and oppressive

Do you follow him on Twitter?  He's very funny

He was slightly inappropriate at best.

She's a complete thunderc*nt.

Yeah, that's the only reason I know.

Great watching people trying to mug him off, which generally results in a witty retort that makes them look stupid.

I only just realised now that it's called Linked In, have seen it 100's times previously and always thought it was pronounced Link-e-den, but spelt with an I instead of E for some smart reason  ;ashamed;

As you were :)

I have just as much 'banter' with female colleagues as I do male.  It's a good bunch.    I have no idea what point you are trying to make.

Same here mate, only once did we ever have an issue with a girl who was under performing and on her way out the door. Of course when seeing the writing was on the wall for her she sticks a complaint in, funny that isn't it?

Yesterday's Times carried a whole page on this matter. Guess what page they put it on? Yup, with delicious irony, Page Three.

Today's Times relegates her to 75% of Page 5, but includes the revelation that Ms Proudman has commented on Facebook on pictures of men, describing them as "Hot stuff!", & "oo-oh lala".

For me, she has lost all ends up - she has damaged the cause of feminism with her hysterical reaction to a relatively minor sleight, and she has most certainly damaged her own career prospects. Who, in their right mind, would employ someone so self-centred, prickly & exciteable?

She has now taken her case to the Solicitors Regulation Authority", determined, it seems, to harm Carter-Silk's career. We all get a bit uppity at times, but I don't ever think we should  jeopardise someone's job so lightly.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/10/22/2C21431100000578-0-image-m-3_1441920836440.jpg)

What a fabulous glass house that is. I love it.

To be fair Tikay - I think her saying "hot stuff" about a guy who she knows on facebook is completely different to random old guy saying she looked nice on a professional site.  Not sure why the papers think this makes her a hypocrite.

I do think her reaction has been ridiculous in the extreme though.

We don't know that she knows them.

Well it is a much better assumption than assuming she was a hypocrite.

Interesting how the journalists think this muck slinging is fair game as she has created this outrage, when in reality the newspapers do at least as much to create the outrage.

This has gone on long enough. I accept that you are not sexist and that I was wrong to attribute views to you in the manner that I did. I hope you will accept my apology for including your post in the original set of quotes and for the inappropriate defence of having done so.

my post wasn't based on any desire to defend Ms Proudman btw, in truth I think she has handled the whole matter badly and allowed it to become a media storm which has blown the issue out of proportion.

Well you win that argument. no way I'm ever defending the press.

OK. Now do me.  :P

Sure no worries.  Think we are probably of the same mind (even if I expressed it more aggressively).  He has been inappropriate but she has over-reacted.

The missing point here is as in her words LinkedIn is not Tinder.

She added this random old guy, he did not add her. She either knows him or selected him as potentially beneficial to her network which is very elitist and not actually the spirit of linked in, where you connect with individuals you work with or have done business with. If some random adds me on any platform I think I naturally believe they "want a piece" it's universal

This is pretty creepy though!

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/11/09/2C265C5900000578-3229951-Complimentary_Alexander_Carter_Silk_57_praised_this_picture_of_h-a-1_1441958686840.jpg)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/10/16/2C265C2E00000578-3229413-Comments_Mr_Carter_Silk_put_these_comments_online_last_year_and_-a-101_1441899195546.jpg)

Credit: Daniel Phillips Favourite Paper

I was going to say but that is facebook, but nah that is really creepy.  This fella really seems to struggle with the borders of acceptable behaviour in various places. 

Our local pub is full of blokes making sexist remarks. It's full of women too.

Perhaps if we start buying the girls on here a drink?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-34214111

Anybody seen Liv Boeree's Twitter feed from burning man?

I am too stupid to do a link from my phone, but the photos are pretty good.  The wings one, not the bum one, if somebody could oblige.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RvoqX3U7Q0

Jesus, I bet she's hard to get on with.

 :hello:

No not much different from my point of view.

If he had been the one to initiate contact and his opening gambit had just been the middle paragraph, then maybe she'd have some kind of point.  In her shoes I'd probably have thought something along the lines of 'that's a bit inappropriate' and just not replied.  Certainly wouldn't have taken any other action - probably not even have mentioned it to anyone else.

Casual and latent sexism is, sadly, still an issue in this day and age, but in order to try to challenge it effectively I think it's important to pick your battles - something like this would be way down that list. 

Ultimately I think this whole affair will do a lot more damage to her career prospects than to his - I'd rather work with the slightly sexist bumbling old man than the woman with a massive chip on her shoulder.

and lol @Mond - reminds me of the epiphany moment I had a couple of years ago when I realised Nickelodeon wasn't just a made up word!

The comment is obviously way out of line, he would never say that to a bloke.

However, her response is wildly out of all proportion.

See here: 'microagressions and the rise of victimhood culture'

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/the-rise-of-victimhood-culture/404794/

That's a good one, here is a similar piece (Atlantic is awesome btw)

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/

I'm 36 and just had the Nickelodeon moment

Yup usual PC wanker shit....

Surprised Teeks didn't post this tune from his teens ,

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gUNZAmFfKA

I had no idea what "Nickolodeon" or "Nickelodeon Moment" meant, so I was keeping schtum.

Blimey.... she seems a riot.. imagine being around her be like walking on egg shells....

Don't think that is going to help her cause much, strewth, talk about sanctimonious.



 

something to think about

I always used to go out of my way to avoid working with people like that when I was in the mob.




Exactly, it's surely going to cause her endless problems in the future.

She's a lawyer, championing causes and not taking bullshit is part of the job.

Must be a fairly long price you read the linked article.

Either that or your understanding of what PC-bullshit is is lacking. Hint: it isn't what the Daily Mail says it is.

Her blinking is hypnotising me

I read it all, you probably don't even accept there is such a thing as PC bullshit....

The first paragraph is someone getting offended because a white guy used the word "futbol" in a friendly way instead of "soccer"and the Hispanic lady decided that was a word that can only be used by Latinos. 

Do you honestly think only a rabid right winger would think that is PC bullsh*t?

The article wasn't suggesting that her offense was legitimate or her response proportionate though - quite the opposite.

Didn't get that far.  Read about the "offence" in the first paragraph and my eyes started bleeding.

Part way through this interview she states that she cant believe that her tweet has caused so much vitriol and character assassination of her. What a joke, her vitriol and character assassination of Carter-Silk started this very public debate. Twat!

What a fucking nightmare of a woman. I can with all honesty say that if I was Carter-Silk I would not reply with an apology I would reply with 2 words and they would be 'fuck off'. I would then delete her LinkedIn connection to me.

:D