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From Monday, Supermarkets & large retail chains will be charging 5p per carrier bag, after new legislation comes into force.

5p a bag soon adds up. When I spend £30 in Tescos, I need 3 bags, so that adds 5% to the bill.


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/30/excess-baggage-will-5p-charge-finally-kill-the-plastic-bag

Corner shops are exempt from the legislation (it does not apply to companies who employ less than 250 staff) but many are expected to levy the charge anyway.

Tesco are giving away heavy duty high quality carrier bags this week.


From Monday, on Ocada deliveries, customers will be able to SELL carrier bags to Ocado for 5p each. (Maximum 99 bags per delivery).

Think you have missed a decimal point somewhere ;)

Pity the poor checkout staff in Supermarkets from Monday, they are going to get a right earful from disgruntled regulars, especially the wrinklies. 

Meanwhile, manufacturers of "permanent" shopping bags are enjoying a huge uplift in sales.

Every cloud.

Bugger.

I promise not to complain then.

You will see people stuffing there bags to breaking point, to save 5p and nearly get to the car as £25s worth of shopping burst s all over the place .

Ocado drivers gonna love that!   Imagine counting 99 bags out every drop you do!

Personally, I think if I'm spending £XX in store, the least they can do is give me a free bag to get it home.

Well yes - but they are not permitted to. I don't think they can even absorb the cost - I think they are obliged to charge.

Surely they can give away what they like?  There will be a way around it.

If it works and there's less litter around then it's a good thing but I have my doubts that those that litter will stop so not to waste 5p.   Home delivery will be the way forward.   I don't mind paying, but I'm one of those that always forgets bags.  We have hundreds at home stuffed into each other) it's more the rub down that I've forgotten my bags again that I don't like!

Good to read that leading charities have pledged to donate the money to charity.

I think you should apply your 'Fermi' system to see how many less carrier bags will be used on monday  :)

Scotland and Wales have had it in effect for a bit - just had a quick look and they estimate plastic bag use has reduced by 80% and 70% respectively there.

I would assume it wouldn't work, but it surprisingly looks like an actually effective idea.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFgtIziShmc


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Well I was assuming it was, in effect, a sort of tax levied via Supermarkets for "sustainability" or global whatsit, & they were semi-obliged to charge the shilling per bag.                                         

I think it's just a law saying they have to charge for them

Been a law in the Republic of Ireland for some years.
All supermarkets there just offered paper bags for free last time I was over.

If Tesco are going to charge 5p a bag I bloody hope they are going to improve the quality, current bags not worth 5p.

The number of times my cucumber pokes through the bag is unreal!

That's the whole idea though, surely? It's really not to raise money, it's to encourage us to be more sensible with "throwaway" plastic & the like.

If Tesco were to offer better bags, that would be an increased cost to them.   

OOOHHH Matron

No one else shops at Aldi, then?

Lidl occasionally. I'm off there tonight as it happens.  I have a £5 off a £40 spend, exciting times, I'll end up with a fridge and freezer full for that. 

Will be paying per bag, forgot to grab before I left home earlier but at least their bags are better quality.

What are they going to do on those bloody self service tills?  Is it going to be a honesty system?

Steal bags all week and sell back to Ocado on weekends.  I could retire if I could afford Ocado shopping.

Standard here to charge for bags and more than 5p as well!

Small (but decent quality, think M&S quality) bag is 5KČ and the larger one 6KČ. That works out about 14 and 16p per bag.

Almost everyone brings a bag with which to take their shopping. People who buy bags are by and large people who weren't aware they were going food shopping when they left the house.

M&S have an honesty system on their self checkout tills.

I think it's a great idea. Anything that reduces the amount of stuff (especially plastic) that we throw away is fine by me.

I wouldn't care if they were 50p each. You could either buy one of get a free paper one.

I think there should be a returnable deposit on all regularly discarded products.

Mrs Red and I were in Berlin (Fantastic city btw) a couple of years ago and were surprised to see people putting their bottles and cans next to the litter bins. Then we noticed that other people (Often the homeless) come and collect them during the night. We even saw them queuing up outside a yard with big bags on their shoulders, waiting to get weighed in. 

Berlin is the cleanest city I have ever seen.

Without Googling does anyone want to guess how many are used in the UK per year?

It was a question on an IOSH course I did a few months back, matching quantities to questions and I think everyone in the room got this wrong.

Strangely the office eco warrior told me just today it is 8 Billion - no idea if this is true or not, seems a very large number.

That would require every person in Britain taking a bag roughly once every three days. Doesn't seem so unlikely to me...

This isn't a problem and anyone who thinks it is should get a grip.

just saying.

It's not just the supermarkets that will be doing this.

I have no issue paying the 5p if I need a bag. I was in Greggs today and was warned as of next week I will have to pay for a bag.

been happening in scotchland a while. It's not as bad as you would imagine.

The bags or the charge?

the whole thing is completely unimportant

5p won't change much, should be 50p at least to make a difference.

Why do you say that, don't you think millions of discarded plastic bags mater?

I think they do. Does that mean I need to get a grip? What does 'Get a grip' mean in this context?

What do you think of studies like this one?

http://phys.org/news/2015-04-discarded-plastic-bags-smothering-marine.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-34414710

It's not just plastic bags though Tom - so many basics are made from some form of plastic these days, & much of it will never degrade. We cannot live without the stuff.

Can't imagine how much waste plastic will have accumulated 100 or 1,000 years from now.

Thought this was a good wiki page.....


 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic

Apparently the first true "plastic" was Bakelite. We grew up with Bakelite light switches,  Bakelite sockets & plugs, all sorts. Don't see it now, but presumably, it's all still here somewhere, in landfill sites or whatever.

Bakelite was usually brown, but next door were posh - they had WHITE Bakelite. Ooohh.


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Do you think that's what Dave meant when he made this bald and, imo rather challenging statement?

"This isn't a problem and anyone who thinks it is should get a grip".

To be fair, I read the post as meaning that reusing plastic bags or carrying a few canvas bags was a small inconvenience for the wider benefit.

Some plastic packaging these days is widely recycled, as is cardboard, glass and cans. More should be. Plastic bags tend to become litter though and end up in landfill, or as pollutants.

6.3 billion of them in 2010 according to this and the 5p will go to good causes apparently. £730 million over 10 years, plus a £60 million saving on litter clearing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34346309

Perhaps.

I did ask him to clarify what he meant but his answer didn't make it any clearer.

As far as I can make out he thinks the entire thing is a non issue and anyone who thinks differently needs to get a grip.

I hope he explains further though. I've probably got it completely wrong.

Does he know who I am btw?

Ronnie Pickering is "One Punch Ronnie" apparently.

You can be "Ten Ton Tom".

All bags up here are 5p including at maccy d's or kfc etc

Does anybody outside of England regularly pay 5p for a bag?

It always bugged me that checkout clerks would offer you a bag even if you're purchasing just one item. My regular thing was a 2l of milk. The carton conveniently had a handle to hold on to so I would politely declined the offer of a free plastic bag. Sometimes on the way home my right hand would get a bit cold cold, but I just switched to my left hand and always managed to get the milk carton home in one piece.

Tikay

I'm sure its 0.5% of the bill.

If you are being charged 5% i'd phone the Daily Mail.

#ithink

Regards

M

isn't this headline the whole point of it (multiple question and exclamation marks)

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Yes that's exactly it. Most people up here in Jockland now take bag-for-life type bags  with them as a matter of course. The result has been a net reduction of the order of 70%-80%

You could beat the system by changing your supermarket to Waitrose. Then, £30 worth of shopping will only require two bags, generating a saving of one-third in your bag costs.

BRILLIANT  :)   

It was the lead story on the news this morning.

The second story was children are going to school hungry.

Tesco needs to sort it's self service tills out to cope with customers having their own bags imo. Tills fucked up so many times today the staff just stood at the till while I shopped as the 'unexpected item in bag' warning must of occured at least a dozen times today.

I invested £2.50 in a proper bag today. My first ever big boys shopping bag :)

Only 49 more trips 'til it's paid for itself....... Assuming I remember to take it of course.

I've got 2 of 'em, reckon I remember then about 10% of the time, good luck lol :D

I had my first experience of the new system this morning. Tesco were giving away good quality bags last week, so I took 2 of them with me.

I use the "self-service" tills, & it was all a bit confusing, as you have to press buttons & things, but people will soon get used to it.

For me, though, I'll end up paying the 5p soon - I use those "use once & throwaway" bags at home as my "litter bins" for food packaging etc, then stick the bag in the wheely bin. I can't stick stuff in the wheely bin "loose" (as we used to with the old tin dustbins, God forbid) so the system is not really going to have much effect - I need an inexhaustible supply of new bags.

Broadly, for every bag I fill with groceries at Tesco, I then fill another with rubbish (mainly food packaging & waste food) from home.

Was in sainsburys yesterday, the 5p bag they give now is different to the normal one they gave you before and actually pretty good, very reusable.

Yes - but we still need a supply of bags at home to put stuff in the wheely bin.

If only someone could come up with the idea of bin liners.

Bin liners are no good for that job. They don't have handles to hook them on to the cupboard doors while yoy fill them.

Ha, I use the same system. Hang them on the cupboard doors until they are full, ten dump them in the wheely, works perfectly.

Needs a constant flow of new bags though.

How balla are we?



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Drawstring bin-liners do.