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Title: Advice needed! Building a roll (initially) outside of BRM Post by: LovesADraw on October 22, 2015, 09:38:01 PM Hi All,
This may be an impossible/stupid question so I'm prepared for a slating (try to be nice) but... I'm really working on building a roll playing live; regular pub leagues (crap shoots), £50/£60 casino tourneys and £1/£1 casino cash whenever I can get to the card room. The problem being that many of these games are well outside of BRM for my current 1k roll. It feels like the only way I can build it up is hitting the cash and hoping for a big session but this is putting such a large proportion of my roll at risk everytime and that's how I've gone broke before. I know that one option would try to grind the micro/small stakes online but unfortunately job/life just won't allow it at the moment. Any advise is most welcome people! Thanks Title: Re: Advice needed! Building a roll (initially) outside of BRM Post by: muckthenuts on October 22, 2015, 09:59:37 PM If i was in your shoes i'd grind 20nl-50nl online cash games until my roll was 2k.
Then i'd take that shit to a £1-2 table in London and spin the 10bi's up. Boom, now i have 5k :) If you don't make it the first time, rinse and repeat til it comes off. GL Title: Re: Advice needed! Building a roll (initially) outside of BRM Post by: LovesADraw on October 22, 2015, 10:06:29 PM If i was in your shoes i'd grind 20nl-50nl online cash games until my roll was 2k. Then i'd take that shit to a £1-2 table in London and spin the 10bi's up. Boom, now i have 5k :) If you don't make it the first time, rinse and repeat til it comes off. GL Haha some valuable insights here... thanks it's more luck than judgement though :p Title: Re: Advice needed! Building a roll (initially) outside of BRM Post by: Ransom on October 23, 2015, 10:19:00 AM Personally I'd put $1000 online (which is about £650 at this point in time I think) and play 25NL, mix in some shots at 50nl at $1500 and continue upwards from there. Have a bash at the low buyin comps that have decent guarantees as well ($2.20-$11)
Keep the other £350, spend £40 of it on Poker Tracker/Holdem Manager. Flick in £5 a month for a RunItOnce subscription, get a decent sized monitor and a comfy computer chair and that would be me set. Seeing as you mention work/life balance won't allow you to spend your time grinding smaller stakes online, I guess the only other option is to find a juicy looking cash game, buy in for an amount you're comfortable with just go for it. Can be quite high variance depending where you play though, as £1/£1 has a tendency to turn in to a triple straddled drunk punt-a-thon. 11am Tuesday Morning at the Vic with the old geezers and loyalty freeroll chasers - low variance 2am Friday/Saturday Night at the Luton G - high variance Could always save up a bit of money each month until you had a more comfortable £2k roll for £1/£1 live, but then to me playing with money you've worked for isn't as comfortable as playing with money you've won. Title: Re: Advice needed! Building a roll (initially) outside of BRM Post by: Rupert on October 23, 2015, 12:04:33 PM What you're doing seems like a pretty good idea, probably not that big of a BRM mistake. Beware of the online cash game suggestions, they are tough (even at the small stakes) and have a huge learning curve which I am going to hazard a guess at you being very far behind. Consider trying to obtain a Run It Once account or something
Title: Re: Advice needed! Building a roll (initially) outside of BRM Post by: POWWWWWWWW on October 23, 2015, 01:14:36 PM http://www.amazon.co.uk/Secrets-Professional-Pot-Limit-Omaha-Slotboom-ebook/dp/B004GEASJO/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1445599611&sr=8-3&keywords=rolf+slotboom
Buy this book and then shortstack any 1\1 plo game you can find. You'll be printing. Title: Re: Advice needed! Building a roll (initially) outside of BRM Post by: verndog158 on October 23, 2015, 08:42:45 PM tough, as if you cant play online then most options live are going to be harsh on the BRM i think. if u cant grind cash online, certainly think it would be worth depositing £200 on Party Poker or another site, and try satting into a big comp on te cheap, always gives you a chance of a big score, if you run good one weekend etc
Title: Re: Advice needed! Building a roll (initially) outside of BRM Post by: edgascoigne on October 23, 2015, 08:42:57 PM Play live exclusively, not even close.
You'rw probably 4/7 to get off and running for your current money if any good, which means if having a couple of cracks you should be going at it soon enough. For context I have half a brain and zero poker talent so that is my benchmark. Don't get into ego wars, look for low variance plays and remember your ultimate goal is to grind to 4k. Infinitely easier live than online so suck up the boredom and grind it out. Good luck!! Title: Re: Advice needed! Building a roll (initially) outside of BRM Post by: pleno1 on October 23, 2015, 08:57:19 PM Play spin n gos. If you bust it's very easy to get staked
Title: Re: Advice needed! Building a roll (initially) outside of BRM Post by: LovesADraw on October 24, 2015, 01:17:01 AM Thanks all for the advice.
I think my main leak is 1/1 cash... I mainly play at Aspers Stratford Friday and Saturday nights (unfortunately the only time I really get at the mo). 9 times out of 10 my downfall is over thinking a hand and hero calling a drunk who I think is bluffing/bullying/hasn't got a clue. Any advice for exploiting these splashy, drunk, loose passive types? I find it really hard to range them when they're playing 90% of hands and always calling a c bet. I feel like it can be a catch 22; making it expensive for them to call bloats the pot without getting a read on their hand and playing passive gives them a chance to catch a hand with their any two... Thanks again people :) (And yes in know Aspers isn't the best casino but it's the easiest for me to get to....) Title: Re: Advice needed! Building a roll (initially) outside of BRM Post by: baldock92 on October 24, 2015, 02:30:21 AM Thanks all for the advice. I think my main leak is 1/1 cash... I mainly play at Aspers Stratford Friday and Saturday nights (unfortunately the only time I really get at the mo). 9 times out of 10 my downfall is over thinking a hand and hero calling a drunk who I think is bluffing/bullying/hasn't got a clue. Any advice for exploiting these splashy, drunk, loose passive types? I find it really hard to range them when they're playing 90% of hands and always calling a c bet. I feel like it can be a catch 22; making it expensive for them to call bloats the pot without getting a read on their hand and playing passive gives them a chance to catch a hand with their any two... Thanks again people :) (And yes in know Aspers isn't the best casino but it's the easiest for me to get to....) Stop paying these people off with marginal hands. If they are bloating the pot as you say, when you're holding the goods make sure you squeeze every bit of value out of them. It's not a case of "if you can't beat them join them", if they're playing "splashy, drunk, loose" as you say then just tighten up, no shame in it whatsoever- it's adapting to the situation. Title: Re: Advice needed! Building a roll (initially) outside of BRM Post by: POWWWWWWWW on October 24, 2015, 02:44:39 AM Does the ROE game still run at aspers?
Title: Re: Advice needed! Building a roll (initially) outside of BRM Post by: verndog158 on October 24, 2015, 10:41:41 AM Don't bluff and don't feel the need to hero call. Games are very good there and soft enough that low variance lines will win you plenty.
Title: Re: Advice needed! Building a roll (initially) outside of BRM Post by: LovesADraw on October 24, 2015, 10:45:46 AM Does the ROE game still run at aspers? What was the ROE game? Title: Re: Advice needed! Building a roll (initially) outside of BRM Post by: verndog158 on October 24, 2015, 11:07:00 AM Does the ROE game still run at aspers? What was the ROE game? Round of each, PLO and NlH Title: Re: Advice needed! Building a roll (initially) outside of BRM Post by: SuuPRlim on October 24, 2015, 11:39:07 AM the thing to acknowledge before you start is that your risk of ruin here is pretty high, with no regards to your poker play. So don't feel like you're terrible or you're a degenerate for busting your BR here, just accept that it's quite likely and go on as you would.
Online is a terrible idea IMO you'd probably lose (no offence) and you'd have way less fun doing it. Stick to live poker and play as you have been, maybe the best advice, if its possible would be to have quite nitty stop-losses, so quite when you lose X every day to prevent the chance of ever tilting off a big chunk of the roll, and basically only playing when you're winning and loving it, gives you way more chance to hit that big day where you can double your BR. In regards to playing vs the splashy drunks, simple strategy - BIG HANDS = BIG BETS, get in cheaply with NFD hands and pairs and try flop huge in multiway pots when you can quickly accelerate the pot, and when you have big hands PF start smashing money in, it should be fairly obvious that you have a very good hand but people will still call with weak hands. If you make a big pot with a big hand, and someone outdraws you with a bad one then there is nothing you can do about that im afraid, just have to suck up and take the medicine. Just don't worry, tiny bankrolls are fun because you have nothing to lose, assuming that this £1000 is not that important to your life you have no real risk, play, enjoy and give yourself the best chance of running it up by playing a good mental game and keeping your head :) Title: Re: Advice needed! Building a roll (initially) outside of BRM Post by: muckthenuts on October 24, 2015, 10:28:10 PM The question is - are you looking to build a bankroll or identify the most efficient way to have a spin up?
If it's the former i think you have to play online. It's a learning curve, and a fairly steep one, but the one which will teach you the most about this game if you are eventually able to grasp it (it's not impossible). The reason is i get the impression that a "roll" may well be futile goal, as you do kinda need to be able to beat the games you wish to be rolled for in order for the concept to apply. 10,000 hands of online poker along with informed self/joint analysis and you'll no longer be asking how to beat drunk players at the poker table - it will be piss easy for you. Solely playing live will make it much harder to improve for obvious reasons. Whatever path you choose though appreciate that you're probably going to have to be not only good, but lucky too! When i built a roll back in 2009 i was depositing small regularly and more or less punting until i was on the receiving end of some literally INCREDIBLE run good in the games i was playing. That luck played such a crucial factor. From there i managed to kick on, become immersed and have some very successful years in poker, and i can guarantee most people who "made it" at some point in their lives will have similar stories of good fortune at the right time. Don't lose heart ever, just keep at it! And if you cba to go the online route and just want to punt gl :D Title: Re: Advice needed! Building a roll (initially) outside of BRM Post by: cambridgealex on October 24, 2015, 10:53:44 PM the thing to acknowledge before you start is that your risk of ruin here is pretty high, with no regards to your poker play. So don't feel like you're terrible or you're a degenerate for busting your BR here, just accept that it's quite likely and go on as you would. Online is a terrible idea IMO you'd probably lose (no offence) and you'd have way less fun doing it. Stick to live poker and play as you have been, maybe the best advice, if its possible would be to have quite nitty stop-losses, so quite when you lose X every day to prevent the chance of ever tilting off a big chunk of the roll, and basically only playing when you're winning and loving it, gives you way more chance to hit that big day where you can double your BR. In regards to playing vs the splashy drunks, simple strategy - BIG HANDS = BIG BETS, get in cheaply with NFD hands and pairs and try flop huge in multiway pots when you can quickly accelerate the pot, and when you have big hands PF start smashing money in, it should be fairly obvious that you have a very good hand but people will still call with weak hands. If you make a big pot with a big hand, and someone outdraws you with a bad one then there is nothing you can do about that im afraid, just have to suck up and take the medicine. Just don't worry, tiny bankrolls are fun because you have nothing to lose, assuming that this £1000 is not that important to your life you have no real risk, play, enjoy and give yourself the best chance of running it up by playing a good mental game and keeping your head :) +1 to all of this. Title: Re: Advice needed! Building a roll (initially) outside of BRM Post by: LovesADraw on October 25, 2015, 01:48:44 AM Does the ROE game still run at aspers? What was the ROE game? Round of each, PLO and NlH Ahh right no haven't seen that up there for a long time. the thing to acknowledge before you start is that your risk of ruin here is pretty high, with no regards to your poker play. So don't feel like you're terrible or you're a degenerate for busting your BR here, just accept that it's quite likely and go on as you would. Online is a terrible idea IMO you'd probably lose (no offence) and you'd have way less fun doing it. Stick to live poker and play as you have been, maybe the best advice, if its possible would be to have quite nitty stop-losses, so quite when you lose X every day to prevent the chance of ever tilting off a big chunk of the roll, and basically only playing when you're winning and loving it, gives you way more chance to hit that big day where you can double your BR. In regards to playing vs the splashy drunks, simple strategy - BIG HANDS = BIG BETS, get in cheaply with NFD hands and pairs and try flop huge in multiway pots when you can quickly accelerate the pot, and when you have big hands PF start smashing money in, it should be fairly obvious that you have a very good hand but people will still call with weak hands. If you make a big pot with a big hand, and someone outdraws you with a bad one then there is nothing you can do about that im afraid, just have to suck up and take the medicine. Just don't worry, tiny bankrolls are fun because you have nothing to lose, assuming that this £1000 is not that important to your life you have no real risk, play, enjoy and give yourself the best chance of running it up by playing a good mental game and keeping your head :) Thanks for this.... think I am placing too much emphasis on trying time get max value in 'clever' way a from my big hands which usually leads me to slow playing and them getting there. Think I'm gonna rethink my whole approach to these cash games. Thanks for the advice people hopefully I can put some of this in to action |