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Title: 60 left 99 utg Post by: KingPush on November 02, 2015, 04:28:38 PM PokerStars Hand #143183431266: Tournament #1356233421, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIX (2400/4800) - 2015/11/02 5:19:14 WET [2015/11/02 0:19:14 ET]
Table '1356233421 221' 9-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: Hawesy88 (282099 in chips) Seat 2: Neverhood007 (107935 in chips) Seat 3: ghstface1 (193407 in chips) Seat 4: KAkkkkeTKA (399130 in chips) Seat 5: Cooperman45 (124548 in chips) Seat 6: JOSEABSA (264671 in chips) Seat 7: FedeSting (140388 in chips) Seat 8: VanPinx (73368 in chips) Hawesy88: posts the ante 600 Neverhood007: posts the ante 600 ghstface1: posts the ante 600 KAkkkkeTKA: posts the ante 600 Cooperman45: posts the ante 600 JOSEABSA: posts the ante 600 FedeSting: posts the ante 600 VanPinx: posts the ante 600 ghstface1: posts small blind 2400 KAkkkkeTKA: posts big blind 4800 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Cooperman45 [9c 9d] Cooperman45: raises 9600 to 14400 JOSEABSA: folds FedeSting: folds VanPinx: folds Hawesy88: folds Neverhood007: folds ghstface1: raises 24599 to 38999 KAkkkkeTKA: folds Cooperman45: raises 84949 to 123948 and is all-in ghstface1: calls 84949 *** FLOP *** [6d 8h 8s] *** TURN *** [6d 8h 8s] [2c] *** RIVER *** [6d 8h 8s 2c] [5d] *** SHOW DOWN *** ghstface1: shows [Jd Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Eights) Cooperman45: shows [9c 9d] (two pair, Nines and Eights) ghstface1 collected 257496 from pot Cooperman45 finished the tournament in 63rd place and received $32.53. *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 257496 | Rake 0 Board [6d 8h 8s 2c 5d] Seat 1: Hawesy88 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: Neverhood007 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: ghstface1 (small blind) showed [Jd Jh] and won (257496) with two pair, Jacks and Eights Seat 4: KAkkkkeTKA (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 5: Cooperman45 showed [9c 9d] and lost with two pair, Nines and Eights Seat 6: JOSEABSA folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: FedeSting folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: VanPinx folded before Flop (didn't bet) just shove twice in a row before this, getting called with 55 the last time What are your calling and shoving ranges here? Title: Re: 60 left 99 utg Post by: WotRTheChances on November 02, 2015, 05:23:43 PM Don't 3x, I imagine you're really unbalanced 3xing UTG in this spot (probably very strong). If I were in villains spot JJ would be the worst hand i'd want to 3bet call with (JJ+ AK), so i certainly wouldnt be going with 99 once i'd got 3bet assuming i'd played it the same up to that point. I don't mind 2.2-2.5xing with a fairly narrow range in your spot pre as in a $4 fo you'll probably get peeled more than normal.
I probably wouldnt have a very wide peeling range vs a 3bet UTG vs sb <30bb effective. Might peel some suited broadways/TT/JJ kind of stuff vs some, but i'd expect villains to be pretty nutted (unless i had very specific reliable reads to think he might be wide at all). Generally i'd 4bet rip QQ+ AK (up to 99-JJ/AQ if villain is really crazy). I wouldn't be opening crazy wide in this spot, so I don't think it's very expolitable to only put it in really tight here. Title: Re: 60 left 99 utg Post by: KingPush on November 02, 2015, 09:54:23 PM What do you mean by unbalanced by 3xing? Like I have too strong of a range? Yeah I thought the same, I think it's a call or fold. Is shoving AK better than calling with it? wouldn't we be better off shoving a bluff and calling ak?
Title: Re: 60 left 99 utg Post by: WotRTheChances on November 04, 2015, 02:50:38 PM What do you mean by unbalanced by 3xing? Like I have too strong of a range? Yeah I thought the same, I think it's a call or fold. Is shoving AK better than calling with it? wouldn't we be better off shoving a bluff and calling ak? I mean if you always open to 3x from 30 big blinds you are risking too many chips when you have the weaker parts of your opening range of hands, thus you should only have a strong range opening to this size and people should be aware of this, thus when you get 3bet in a spot like this you are put in a very tough spot with a pretty good hand. If you open much smaller then others will 3bet you with a much wider range and the pot will be kept much smaller, making it much easier to proceed. As played (after 3x opening) I wouldn't be shoving any bluffs in this spot. I'd happily shove AK because it does reasonably well against your opponents 3bet-calling range and it's obviously great for you if the villain is 3bet-folding. Flatting is a bit awkward in terms of proceeding in the hand when you don't flop a pair and the times it comes A/K-high and villain has TT-QQ and you don't get the lot. Basically i'd just be opening 2-2.5x with a fairly tight range (just given we're 30bb deep UTG in a $4 freeze... so i'm mostly looking to open hands that will regularly dominate hands we get flatted by) and then proceed as I see fit if i get 3bet. Generally the average $4 fo player deep in a comp will play pretty face-up, so there's no need to go crazy 4bet jamming as a bluff when you're UTG or peeling 3bets out of position with weak hands. Title: Re: 60 left 99 utg Post by: KingPush on November 08, 2015, 10:57:55 PM What do you mean by unbalanced by 3xing? Like I have too strong of a range? Yeah I thought the same, I think it's a call or fold. Is shoving AK better than calling with it? wouldn't we be better off shoving a bluff and calling ak? I mean if you always open to 3x from 30 big blinds you are risking too many chips when you have the weaker parts of your opening range of hands, thus you should only have a strong range opening to this size and people should be aware of this, thus when you get 3bet in a spot like this you are put in a very tough spot with a pretty good hand. If you open much smaller then others will 3bet you with a much wider range and the pot will be kept much smaller, making it much easier to proceed. As played (after 3x opening) I wouldn't be shoving any bluffs in this spot. I'd happily shove AK because it does reasonably well against your opponents 3bet-calling range and it's obviously great for you if the villain is 3bet-folding. Flatting is a bit awkward in terms of proceeding in the hand when you don't flop a pair and the times it comes A/K-high and villain has TT-QQ and you don't get the lot. Basically i'd just be opening 2-2.5x with a fairly tight range (just given we're 30bb deep UTG in a $4 freeze... so i'm mostly looking to open hands that will regularly dominate hands we get flatted by) and then proceed as I see fit if i get 3bet. Generally the average $4 fo player deep in a comp will play pretty face-up, so there's no need to go crazy 4bet jamming as a bluff when you're UTG or peeling 3bets out of position with weak hands. Ok cheers for the help man, appreciate it |