Title: No holding back! Post by: pleno1 on November 13, 2015, 09:48:10 PM http://thepokerbaffer.com/2015/11/12/wpt500-dusk-till-disappointing/
Jesus who is she?! She doesn't hold back. Thoughts on her points? Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: Tal on November 13, 2015, 09:57:37 PM Two questions:
1. Has titaniumbean got a twin sister? 2. It's a game of cards, right? Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: KarmaDope on November 13, 2015, 09:58:17 PM The "Who Am I" link answers the first question.
As for the rest, I read this earlier and think its harsh. She does have some interesting thoughts though and this will certainly put the cat among the pigeons. Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: FUN4FRASER on November 13, 2015, 11:17:03 PM She will go home to her "female toy" and the smell of cat piss.
Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: Karabiner on November 13, 2015, 11:36:49 PM http://thepokerbaffer.com/2015/11/12/wpt500-dusk-till-disappointing/ Jesus who is she?! She doesn't hold back. Thoughts on her points? Eso's hypnotist possibly? Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: Knottikay on November 13, 2015, 11:40:47 PM I think she is pissed because she didnt get a job as a valet. Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: Woodsey on November 13, 2015, 11:43:25 PM 'Cup of brown piss' rotflmfao
Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: celtic on November 13, 2015, 11:56:40 PM Half way through it she mentioned Nandos.
Sounds like my kind of girl. Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: arbboy on November 14, 2015, 12:06:41 AM Fair play to her. I agree on a fair few things she says tbh (totally disagree with others at the same time) If you read the blog the week before it adds a bit of balance and tells of how excited she was to go to dtd for her big event of the year. She obviously has high standards and wasn't impressed with the bang she got for her buck. She has every right to voice her opinion on her blog. She sounds like a proper punter who had a pop at everything going at DTD. Poker/slots/tables.
Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: Tal on November 14, 2015, 12:13:55 AM Fair play to her. I agree on a fair few things she says tbh (totally disagree with others at the same time) If you read the blog the week before it adds a bit of balance and tells of how excited she was to go to dtd for her event of the year. She obviously has high standards and wasn't impressed with the bang she got for her buck. She has every right to voice her opinion on her blog. Correct. And pleno has every right to link it here and the rest of us have every right to look open-mouthed. The use of the word retarded is the sure sign of a balanced, thoughtful essay. Nothing people appreciate more than being told they're terrible at their job but look good in hotpants while doing it. I mean if I had a penny... It's a joke account, right? I mean no one's that angry about poker, are they? Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: Tal on November 14, 2015, 12:18:43 AM Anyone seen Djinn lately?
Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: Doobs on November 14, 2015, 12:23:10 AM Fair play to her. I agree on a fair few things she says tbh (totally disagree with others at the same time) If you read the blog the week before it adds a bit of balance and tells of how excited she was to go to dtd for her big event of the year. She obviously has high standards and wasn't impressed with the bang she got for her buck. She has every right to voice her opinion on her blog. She sounds like a proper punter who had a pop at everything going at DTD. Poker/slots/tables. You can say many things about her, but she obviously hasn't got high standards. Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: Ironside on November 14, 2015, 01:16:19 AM Ffs what poker player in there right mind complains about a gtd not being met and someone adding free money to the pot?
Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: buzzharvey22 on November 14, 2015, 01:51:32 AM Id be such a disappointment to her in bed
Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: bergeroo on November 14, 2015, 01:54:07 AM As a means of comparison, the heavily praised Battle of Malta's guarantee was set at 500k. Not so ambitious - playing it safe I guess.
DTD is a first class venue. Every tourney I've played there has been very well organised, started on time and I queued very little, even on really busy days. There are also many people complaining about the organisation of the tournaments in Malta, so I guess you can't please everyone or indeed anyone sometimes And with apologies for the derail, here is picture of the chips used in a side event at Battle of Malta. Pretty sure you'd never see chips like that at DTD even in a £20 freezeout, so you pays your money and you make your choice I guess. (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTKNTeiUEAAAOFw.jpg) Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: Jamier-Host on November 14, 2015, 03:11:19 AM Come on this was pretty funny. She jokes but you never know what the online "live" casino operators will resort to in a few years when margins are getting squeezed. :)
Quote I’ll start with the live pit, again, gorgeous dealers in tiny shorts, that haven’t got a fucking clue. It took one beautiful creature 60 seconds to work out how to pay me for a split and a straight up, and then she couldn’t pass the chips out properly. If you are that bad as a dealer, the shorts are not enough, you need to be naked, and spin that ball by shooting it out your fanny. Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: nirvana on November 14, 2015, 03:21:49 AM If you are that bad as a dealer, the shorts are not enough, you need to be naked, and spin that ball by shooting it out your fanny.
lol, such a great line Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: nirvana on November 14, 2015, 03:22:30 AM Haha, snap. We must be the only 6 year olds reading it
Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: AndrewT on November 14, 2015, 04:22:29 AM Cliffs notes of thread: DTD should hire Sticky Vicky to run their roulette tables.
Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: Kev B on November 14, 2015, 10:29:08 AM Good read, some good points and some funny lines. She used to be a dealer then TD for a short time in the NW. Her past blog on players checking is a good read.
Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: titaniumbean on November 14, 2015, 12:31:01 PM Two questions: 1. Has titaniumbean got a twin sister? 2. It's a game of cards, right? are you saying I look like her? Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: Tal on November 14, 2015, 12:32:38 PM Two questions: 1. Has titaniumbean got a twin sister? 2. It's a game of cards, right? are you saying I look like her? Just a similar writing style. She thinks of poker like you think of politics. Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: titaniumbean on November 14, 2015, 12:40:39 PM Two questions: 1. Has titaniumbean got a twin sister? 2. It's a game of cards, right? are you saying I look like her? Just a similar writing style. She thinks of poker like you think of politics. ;whistle; fecker :p xx Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: Tal on November 14, 2015, 12:41:25 PM Two questions: 1. Has titaniumbean got a twin sister? 2. It's a game of cards, right? are you saying I look like her? Just a similar writing style. She thinks of poker like you think of politics. ;whistle; fecker :p xx :D Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: titaniumbean on November 14, 2015, 12:45:30 PM I do find it amazing that she seems to be complaining about overlay, i'm way too nitty to ever complain about that. Especially when the pillars of good poker scheduling she seems to love take pride in using words like guarantee in the same way I use the maybe feature to respond to event requests on facebook rotflmfao
Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: FUN4FRASER on November 14, 2015, 02:30:18 PM If you are that bad as a dealer, the shorts are not enough, you need to be naked, and spin that ball by shooting it out your fanny. lol, such a great line Ha , got to agree There is a writer known as "the acid tongue" called Julie Burchill who used to write for NME .The Gurdian and Times amongst others , they have a very similar writing style Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: HutchGF on November 14, 2015, 02:47:28 PM I found it a nice balance to the sickly sweet, reg-favoured updates that are often produced.
Well played. Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: SuuPRlim on November 15, 2015, 09:23:27 AM The style of writing is very "no nonsense" and imo a lil unnecessarily antagonistic, some stuff will defo wind rob up a bit, but if some of her points are echoed by other players at her level then there might be some useful and constructive stuff there.
If a few players found the starting days and satellites confusing then that would defo have been a contributory factor to the overlay. It's a real shame that these overlays happened as it's a truly amazing festival and I really hope that it doesn't dissuade dtd from doing it again. You really will struggle to find a better place to play poker. One thing I did notice was a distinct lack of foreign players, the pervious yr there was a fair few Americans and euros there, maybe her point r.e sats with packages was a good one, or maybe reducing the ME buyin from 3k to 2k made some feel it wasn't worth the travel? Some of her points were pretty nonsensical but defo made a potentially good point or two in the midst of the jibberish and aggressive humor Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: david3103 on November 15, 2015, 11:58:23 PM The style of writing is very "no nonsense" and imo a lil unnecessarily antagonistic, some stuff will defo wind rob up a bit, but if some of her points are echoed by other players at her level then there might be some useful and constructive stuff there. If a few players found the starting days and satellites confusing then that would defo have been a contributory factor to the overlay. It's a real shame that these overlays happened as it's a truly amazing festival and I really hope that it doesn't dissuade dtd from doing it again. You really will struggle to find a better place to play poker. One thing I did notice was a distinct lack of foreign players, the pervious yr there was a fair few Americans and euros there, maybe her point r.e sats with packages was a good one, or maybe reducing the ME buyin from 3k to 2k made some feel it wasn't worth the travel? Some of her points were pretty nonsensical but defo made a potentially good point or two in the midst of the jibberish and aggressive humor This was a very good point IMO The real situation of low-stakes/hobby players is that they can’t just qualify on a Thursday and then disappear at short notice on a Friday for four days of poker, stumping up for travel and hotels. They have jobs/partners/families and this is not how hobbies work in the context of real life. Know the extremities of your market, DTD; why didn’t you spread all those seats over the previous months and give people a chance to include you in their busy lives? Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: AlunB on November 16, 2015, 09:55:15 AM I really didn't think it was the controversial and she does make some good points. She also makes most of the points you made in defence of DTD at the start of the article so the context seems fine.
Definitely written while angry though, which is never a great idea when providing "constructive" criticism, but does make for a more entertaining read. The whole valet girl thing is just bizarre and like something from the 70s. I assume he's going for a Vegas feel but it's a bit weird there too. Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: RED-DOG on November 16, 2015, 11:42:05 AM I don't think she was angry, I think it's just a writing style she adopts. Very entertaining it was too IMO.
I'm desperately trying to find a way to slip the phraze "Minge to the wind" into one of my posts. Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: AlexMartin on November 16, 2015, 01:22:33 PM Lets be honest the DTD overlay thing is turning into a bit of a farce now, they push themselves beyond all measure at so many events then complain that their neck is on the line always.....well clearly but its not your first rodeo. I thought it was really funny, if she got banned for penning that it would be a travesty.
Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: DMorgan on November 16, 2015, 02:20:58 PM The article didn't come across as complaining about the overlay at all to me, she was complaining about the player base being blamed for the overlay.
If I'm Rob then I'm much less bothered about people contributing to the discussion about how to make my events more popular (albeit in a pretty out there tone) than I am about the people keeping schtum to preserve their piece of the overlay Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: SuuPRlim on November 16, 2015, 02:35:21 PM the line about the roulette ball was fkn class i'll give her that :)
Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: AlunB on November 16, 2015, 03:01:09 PM Lets be honest the DTD overlay thing is turning into a bit of a farce now, they push themselves beyond all measure at so many events then complain that their neck is on the line always.....well clearly but its not your first rodeo. I thought it was really funny, if she got banned for penning that it would be a travesty. It's almost as if they are deliberately doing it as a marketing tool ::) Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: FUN4FRASER on November 16, 2015, 03:32:25 PM Lets be honest the DTD overlay thing is turning into a bit of a farce now, they push themselves beyond all measure at so many events then complain that their neck is on the line always.....well clearly but its not your first rodeo. I thought it was really funny, if she got banned for penning that it would be a travesty. Cant agree with you Alex , any poker organisation that is willing to put their" neck on the lines " by promoting guaranteed tournaments is greatly contributing towards the industry . If tournament numbers are falling short and a rallying cry is needed then surely that is just good business practice . Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: AlexMartin on November 16, 2015, 04:04:11 PM Lets be honest the DTD overlay thing is turning into a bit of a farce now, they push themselves beyond all measure at so many events then complain that their neck is on the line always.....well clearly but its not your first rodeo. I thought it was really funny, if she got banned for penning that it would be a travesty. Cant agree with you Alex , any poker organisation that is willing to put their" neck on the lines " by promoting guaranteed tournaments is greatly contributing towards the industry . If tournament numbers are falling short and a rallying cry is needed then surely that is just good business practice . Good business practice?!......id argue its the opposite, of course its being used a marketing tool and its like the boy who cried wolf now (probably just pissed off the overlays are not on my doorstep). Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: MANTIS01 on November 16, 2015, 08:35:40 PM dont think it's good business practise to keep falling short of target...
Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: david3103 on November 16, 2015, 08:38:36 PM dont think it's good business practise to keep falling short of target... It's not good to have targets that are too easily met either. Is making the guarantee actually a target in this context? Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: MANTIS01 on November 16, 2015, 09:53:05 PM dont think it's good business practise to keep falling short of target... It's not good to have targets that are too easily met either. Is making the guarantee actually a target in this context? Yah it has to be. Because it's an unnecessary overhead. And that can't be a target for any business. Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: Karabiner on November 16, 2015, 10:20:04 PM dont think it's good business practise to keep falling short of target... It's not good to have targets that are too easily met either. Is making the guarantee actually a target in this context? Yah it has to be. Because it's an unnecessary overhead. And that can't be a target for any business. What if your business is titled "The Home of Overlays"? Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: MANTIS01 on November 16, 2015, 11:20:46 PM dont think it's good business practise to keep falling short of target... It's not good to have targets that are too easily met either. Is making the guarantee actually a target in this context? Yah it has to be. Because it's an unnecessary overhead. And that can't be a target for any business. What if your business is titled "The Home of Overlays"? I'd get a new business Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: Ironside on November 16, 2015, 11:22:54 PM what happens if your insured for the overlay
Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: Woodsey on November 16, 2015, 11:23:06 PM dont think it's good business practise to keep falling short of target... It's not good to have targets that are too easily met either. Is making the guarantee actually a target in this context? Yah it has to be. Because it's an unnecessary overhead. And that can't be a target for any business. What if your business is titled "The Home of Overlays"? I'd get a new business We don't know how much they are making in other areas of the business.... Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: MANTIS01 on November 16, 2015, 11:35:01 PM dont think it's good business practise to keep falling short of target... It's not good to have targets that are too easily met either. Is making the guarantee actually a target in this context? Yah it has to be. Because it's an unnecessary overhead. And that can't be a target for any business. What if your business is titled "The Home of Overlays"? I'd get a new business We don't know how much they are making in other areas of the business.... Not as much as they could! But not sure how many cups of brown piss you'd need to sell to break even tbh.. Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: Woodsey on November 16, 2015, 11:40:16 PM dont think it's good business practise to keep falling short of target... It's not good to have targets that are too easily met either. Is making the guarantee actually a target in this context? Yah it has to be. Because it's an unnecessary overhead. And that can't be a target for any business. What if your business is titled "The Home of Overlays"? I'd get a new business We don't know how much they are making in other areas of the business.... Not as much as they could! But not sure how many cups of brown piss you'd need to sell to break even tbh.. Or lumps lost in their casino and slots even.... No shortage of people with wedges of money in their pocket and the propensity to gamble coming through their doors. Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: FUN4FRASER on November 16, 2015, 11:45:36 PM WPT main event
overlay £100,000 450 entrants x £200 reg fee =£90,000 plus rake on cash games , profit on house games and food etc minus additional overheads on extra dealers The maths looks that bad on a losing event ? Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: arbboy on November 17, 2015, 12:00:23 AM WPT main event overlay £100,000 450 entrants x £200 reg fee =£90,000 plus rake on cash games , profit on house games and food etc minus additional overheads on extra dealers The maths looks that bad on a losing event ? Exactly for players turning up paying in cash £2200 to play the event with 450 runners there isn't any added money/overlay. They just get to play a £2200 mtt without any rake. There is no added value (other than the fact they get to play a £2200 mtt against a field of mainly micro staked sat players who have won their seats in overlaid sats and/or been forced to play the event because they binked in a £300 deepstack and have no choice but to donate 20% of their prize in that to an mtt way out of their bankroll where they have a huge ev edge against them). The added value is in all the donk offs in the sats for the micro staked players. dtd do a great job of selling overlays to last minute cash buy in players which (after rake) are not overlays. If a cash player turns up to 'help dtd' out and they make the 500 runners then they have a 10% edge against them in rake before they even begin with 5 days worth of exs/food/drinks/hotels etc etc. More often than not dtd through this hard sell make the gtd over the years. It comes through the build it and they will turn up business model. Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: I KNOW IT on November 17, 2015, 12:33:40 AM WPT main event overlay £100,000 450 entrants x £200 reg fee =£90,000 plus rake on cash games , profit on house games and food etc minus additional overheads on extra dealers The maths looks that bad on a losing event ? Exactly for players turning up paying in cash £2200 to play the event with 450 runners there isn't any added money/overlay. They just get to play a £2200 mtt without any rake. There is no added value (other than the fact they get to play a £2200 mtt against a field of mainly micro staked sat players who have won their seats in overlaid sats and/or been forced to play the event because they binked in a £300 deepstack and have no choice but to donate 20% of their prize in that to an mtt way out of their bankroll where they have a huge ev edge against them). The added value is in all the donk offs in the sats for the micro staked players. dtd do a great job of selling overlays to last minute cash buy in players which (after rake) are not overlays. If a cash player turns up to 'help dtd' out and they make the 500 runners then they have a 10% edge against them in rake before they even begin with 5 days worth of exs/food/drinks/hotels etc etc. More often than not dtd through this hard sell make the gtd over the years. It comes through the build it and they will turn up business model. Unless things have changed in hosting a renowned poker brand like the " WPT " there are far more costs than drafting in a few extra poker dealers for the week. The WPT used to charge you for a license to host any of there events which are not cheap, some brands also want a profit sharing in the rake you generate during the festival, sometimes this can go a day either side of the festival starting also. So there are many hidden costs to the poker room which joe public doesnt know about which can nullify the generated rake on tournaments helpiing to cover the overlay Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: Cf on November 17, 2015, 08:36:27 AM Plus isn't it 50% tax on all fees and rake generated?
Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: Karabiner on November 17, 2015, 11:31:07 AM Plus isn't it 50% tax on all fees and rake generated? I think that might apply to net profit rather than ALL fees and rake. Title: Re: No holding back! Post by: AlunB on November 17, 2015, 11:58:32 AM Plus isn't it 50% tax on all fees and rake generated? I think that might apply to net profit rather than ALL fees and rake. Gaming duty is normally on gross revenue not profit |