Title: Sexism and Misogyny in Poker Post by: SuuPRlim on November 25, 2015, 05:51:21 PM Quite a shocking read from Bonomo Blog...
http://justinbonomo.blogspot.ca/2015/11/sexism-and-misogyny-in-poker_21.html Title: Re: Sexism and Misogyny in Poker Post by: david3103 on November 25, 2015, 06:41:15 PM See also
http://calvinayre.com/2015/11/25/poker/royal-flush-girls-step-down-from-wpt-montreal-final-table-photo-shoot/?utm_source=hootsuite Which has been linked on the PartyPoker FB page for comment. A lot of people there commenting that the bikini/hot pant wearing girls are inappropriate. Title: Re: Sexism and Misogyny in Poker Post by: DungBeetle on November 25, 2015, 10:00:05 PM I don't disagree with the general thrust but "Pro C" is accused of rape and is immediately dropped by his sponsor. I assume this is now going to trial but the company didn't want to wait for due process? Or has it not even made trial?
Title: Re: Sexism and Misogyny in Poker Post by: The Camel on November 25, 2015, 10:03:58 PM I remember the stories involving poor Brandi Hawbaker
One pro staked her for a few sats, then as she had no where to sleep that night, offered to let her crash in his spare bed. When she was asleep he got into bed with her. Then the infamous POB occurred. Title: Re: Sexism and Misogyny in Poker Post by: MintTrav on November 25, 2015, 10:19:43 PM Bonomo has highlighted some things that don't really seem to be sexism or misogyny.
Sexism is middle-aged players calling the waitress 'love', talking down to female players, etc. What he is describing seems more like sex attacks. If he wants to improve behaviour in the casino, he would have done better to focus on that and leave out the extremes. They are two separate issues. Title: Re: Sexism and Misogyny in Poker Post by: AlunB on November 26, 2015, 10:09:09 AM Bonomo has highlighted some things that don't really seem to be sexism or misogyny. Sexism is middle-aged players calling the waitress 'love', talking down to female players, etc. What he is describing seems more like sex attacks. If he wants to improve behaviour in the casino, he would have done better to focus on that and leave out the extremes. They are two separate issues. But he's been to Burning Man and has read a couple of books about philosophy and spoken to some other poker players about things and now he REALLY UNDERSTANDS LIFE Title: Re: Sexism and Misogyny in Poker Post by: The Camel on November 26, 2015, 10:54:06 AM Bonomo has highlighted some things that don't really seem to be sexism or misogyny. Sexism is middle-aged players calling the waitress 'love', talking down to female players, etc. What he is describing seems more like sex attacks. If he wants to improve behaviour in the casino, he would have done better to focus on that and leave out the extremes. They are two separate issues. Is calling a waitress "love" sexist? I had never used that word to refer to a stranger before I moved up North, but round here iit seems like a generic term talking to people you've never met (by both men and women). Title: Re: Sexism and Misogyny in Poker Post by: The Camel on November 26, 2015, 10:55:17 AM Bonomo has highlighted some things that don't really seem to be sexism or misogyny. Sexism is middle-aged players calling the waitress 'love', talking down to female players, etc. What he is describing seems more like sex attacks. If he wants to improve behaviour in the casino, he would have done better to focus on that and leave out the extremes. They are two separate issues. But he's been to Burning Man and has read a couple of books about philosophy and spoken to some other poker players about things and now he REALLY UNDERSTANDS LIFE Does he still give a % of his winnings to that crackpot cryogenic charity? Title: Re: Sexism and Misogyny in Poker Post by: DaveShoelace on November 26, 2015, 11:03:45 AM Bonomo has highlighted some things that don't really seem to be sexism or misogyny. Sexism is middle-aged players calling the waitress 'love', talking down to female players, etc. What he is describing seems more like sex attacks. If he wants to improve behaviour in the casino, he would have done better to focus on that and leave out the extremes. They are two separate issues. But he's been to Burning Man and has read a couple of books about philosophy and spoken to some other poker players about things and now he REALLY UNDERSTANDS LIFE Not to belittle the plight of the women mentioned in the stories, but lol +1 million This is precisely my view of Bonomo, wp Title: Re: Sexism and Misogyny in Poker Post by: DaveShoelace on November 26, 2015, 11:06:39 AM Onto the subject itself, I don't think what has been mentioned is particularly a poker problem, I think it's a society problem that can be witnessed in poker and many other aspects of life. I don't think poker is inherently sexist, but you will see sleazy jerks when you are around that many men. You will see the worst of any group of people when you have such a high concentration of them.
Title: Re: Sexism and Misogyny in Poker Post by: AlunB on November 26, 2015, 11:31:20 AM Onto the subject itself, I don't think what has been mentioned is particularly a poker problem, I think it's a society problem that can be witnessed in poker and many other aspects of life. I don't think poker is inherently sexist, but you will see sleazy jerks when you are around that many men. You will see the worst of any group of people when you have such a high concentration of them. Yeah pretty much this. We live in an inherently sexist society that's obvious to anyone at every turn but that most men choose to ignore or worse rail against feminism instead as if that's any help at all. Belittling someone else doesn't make you stronger. And I say that as someone about to belittle Bonomo ;) It's such a constant sigh when high profile poker players "discover" some truth that most of us already know. If you live a life in a bubble then finding out how the world works can be exciting but please stop presenting it to us as some pearls of wisdom dispensed from on high. You're just an above average intelligence kid with an unusual lifestyle. And that goes for you too Colman. Title: Re: Sexism and Misogyny in Poker Post by: DaveShoelace on November 26, 2015, 11:47:59 AM It's such a constant sigh when high profile poker players "discover" some truth that most of us already know. If you live a life in a bubble then finding out how the world works can be exciting but please stop presenting it to us as some pearls of wisdom dispensed from on high. You're just an above average intelligence kid with an unusual lifestyle. And that goes for you too Colman. Well this is just turning into a circle jerk. +1 million again. Negreanu is the same recently, with all the choice center stuff. I tend towards more his way of thinking I must admit, and obviously he has more life experience than the young uns, but he has still got hella preachy, especially about the veganism and stuff. Obviously this then begs the question, at what point do we think someone has enough 'real life' experience that they can be preachy? I don't think there is an answer to that. Title: Re: Sexism and Misogyny in Poker Post by: KarmaDope on November 26, 2015, 07:31:08 PM I don't disagree with the general thrust but "Pro C" is accused of rape and is immediately dropped by his sponsor. I assume this is now going to trial but the company didn't want to wait for due process? Or has it not even made trial? AFAIK as of the WSOP ME last year this hadn't gone to trial and the Pro was free to play, assuming this is the same story I heard. Title: Re: Sexism and Misogyny in Poker Post by: action man on November 26, 2015, 07:44:46 PM since his cheating being caught out, bonomo has done a good job of inching his way back into the community and its now a spokesperson and ambassador? kind of like a jockey drawn wide breaking fast and inch by inch edging his way into the rail before slotting in after 2 furlongs. ive no time for him whatsoever
Title: Re: Sexism and Misogyny in Poker Post by: strak33 on November 26, 2015, 08:02:53 PM Bonomo has highlighted some things that don't really seem to be sexism or misogyny. Sexism is middle-aged players calling the waitress 'love', talking down to female players, etc. What he is describing seems more like sex attacks. If he wants to improve behaviour in the casino, he would have done better to focus on that and leave out the extremes. They are two separate issues. But he's been to Burning Man and has read a couple of books about philosophy and spoken to some other poker players about things and now he REALLY UNDERSTANDS LIFE Nailed it. Title: Re: Sexism and Misogyny in Poker Post by: SuuPRlim on November 27, 2015, 02:30:41 AM since his cheating being caught out, bonomo has done a good job of inching his way back into the community and its now a spokesperson and ambassador? kind of like a jockey drawn wide breaking fast and inch by inch edging his way into the rail before slotting in after 2 furlongs. ive no time for him whatsoever Couldn't agree more Trigg. Title: Re: Sexism and Misogyny in Poker Post by: Rupert on November 27, 2015, 02:11:55 PM since his cheating being caught out, bonomo has done a good job of inching his way back into the community and its now a spokesperson and ambassador? kind of like a jockey drawn wide breaking fast and inch by inch edging his way into the rail before slotting in after 2 furlongs. ive no time for him whatsoever Couldn't agree more Trigg. Agree Title: Re: Sexism and Misogyny in Poker Post by: AlexMartin on November 30, 2015, 12:56:35 PM The fact that he doesn't actually out them makes his piece a bit worthless.
Title: Re: Sexism and Misogyny in Poker Post by: KarmaDope on November 30, 2015, 10:25:54 PM The fact that he doesn't actually out them makes his piece a bit worthless. I would imagine this would be for legal reasons - especially Pro 3. Title: Re: Sexism and Misogyny in Poker Post by: rfgqqabc on December 01, 2015, 04:54:50 PM Stumbled through it finding myself mildly nodding my head in agreement in places. Then I saw "MEN ARE GROSS", I looked at the title, looked at it being all in caps and just thought of Trigg in his flat cap telling me I told you so. I understand that it is difficult for a women to talk about misogyny especially in poker as it can come across a little whiny, but honestly this post turned me off way more then actually listening to a smart women such as Cate Hall talk about the issues.
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