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Title: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: scotty77 on January 13, 2016, 04:46:08 AM (Saw this on another forum)
You are to be put on trial for the next homicide case which happens to arise in the area that you live. The prosecution team are to do their very best to convict you. If you agree to go on trial, you get £1m. If the jury votes guilty then you will receive life in prison or the death penalty, with no appeal. Would you go on trial for a crime that you 100% did not commit, and that there should be no real evidence, for £1m. Could you trust 12 of your peers to come to the correct decision? Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: cambridgealex on January 13, 2016, 06:28:28 AM Life imprisonment =/ death penalty
Which is it? Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: DaveShoelace on January 13, 2016, 09:01:49 AM Life imprisonment =/ death penalty Which is it? If it's genuine life imprisonment, then both the same IMO. To answer the question, no I wouldn't, people are stupid and easily convinced, especially in groups. Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: DaveShoelace on January 13, 2016, 09:02:15 AM Sounds like the premise for a US gameshow btw
Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: AlunB on January 13, 2016, 10:17:21 AM Life imprisonment =/ death penalty Which is it? Assume it was a question for a US forum where many states don't have the death penalty so meaning the maximum sentence depending on where you live. I wouldn't take the risk personally, but if there is genuinely no evidence then even if you were convicted you would have to fancy your chances at appeal. At least in the UK anyway. Not sure about the US. Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: AndrewT on January 13, 2016, 11:49:41 AM (Saw this on another forum) You are to be put on trial for the next homicide case which happens to arise in the area that you live. The prosecution team are to do their very best to convict you. If you agree to go on trial, you get £1m. If the jury votes guilty then you will receive life in prison or the death penalty, with no appeal. Would you go on trial for a crime that you 100% did not commit, and that there should be no real evidence, for £1m. Could you trust 12 of your peers to come to the correct decision? It looks like ITV have found something to replace X-Factor. Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: GreekStein on January 13, 2016, 11:52:10 AM 106 views and 3 votes...did the other forum it was on get such impressive numbers?
:( Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: TightEnd on January 13, 2016, 11:52:35 AM after my jury experience (may just have been selection variance but still...) there is no sum of money that would make me consider this proposition
Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: TightEnd on January 13, 2016, 11:55:53 AM 106 views and 3 votes...did the other forum it was on get such impressive numbers? :( scrolling latest posts to view posts which i normally do i was unaware there was a poll. scotty doesn't mention it in his opening post either voted now Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: Doobs on January 13, 2016, 12:06:16 PM I think the problems with juries are much lower than people think, so you should definitely gamble and even if there is a slim chance, you can still appeal. The chances of getting wrongly convicted twice with absolutely no evidence are pretty slim. A fair few judges are just going to dismiss the case if no concrete evidence was presented by the prosecution.
Mud sticks and all that, but I'd still be pretty happy walking away with a mill ball in my back pocket and with lots of choices on how I spend the rest of my days. And those who believe you guilty despite the zero evidence are going to be a bunch of fuckwits I have no time for anyway. Cheers Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: DMorgan on January 13, 2016, 12:40:22 PM Having served as foreman for a jury I'd take a shot at the milly
Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: DaveShoelace on January 13, 2016, 12:55:22 PM Are the jury aware you get £1 million if found innocent? Could have some interesting meta game consequences (ie. extortion).
Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: Graham C on January 13, 2016, 01:09:42 PM I think the problems with juries are much lower than people think, so you should definitely gamble and even if there is a slim chance, you can still appeal. Says in OP that there's no chance of appeal. With no appeal I'd probably not do it, but with, for a million, I'd probably be tempted to give it ago. I'd like to think that if there was zero evidence, you'd not get convicted. I'd be interested in what the prosecution has to say if there's no evidence, a decent defence lawyer would have you straight out. Voted no based on OP. Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: ripple11 on January 13, 2016, 01:35:53 PM Having served as foreman for a jury I'd take a shot at the milly Served on a jury at The Old Bailey.......not sure I would ;) Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: AlunB on January 13, 2016, 01:37:33 PM This is just a straight bet isn't it? Work out what you think the odds are and then the value for you in terms of life in jail versus £1m.
I think odds of wrongful conviction would need to be 10,000/1 for me to want to get involved. Maybe even higher. I suspect the true odds are a lot lower than that. I know a few criminal defence lawyers and a lot of them say there is an element of randomness when you bring a jury into the mix. I think that's the polite way of saying what they say... Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: rfgqqabc on January 13, 2016, 02:34:45 PM I voted no but fuck it I'd gamble in this case. If my life circumstances changed and it was even slightly riskier I'd be out.
Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: cambridgealex on January 13, 2016, 02:35:58 PM I'd do it and pay whatever it cost for the absolute best defence lawyer money can buy.
Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: RED-DOG on January 13, 2016, 02:39:03 PM http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/28/death-penalty-study-4-percent-defendants-innocent
Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: AlunB on January 13, 2016, 02:39:35 PM I'd do it and pay whatever it cost for the absolute best defence lawyer money can buy. In all seriousness if this was a murder case that could end up costing more than £1m Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: POWWWWWWWW on January 13, 2016, 02:42:30 PM Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness.
Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: arbboy on January 13, 2016, 02:44:45 PM Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness. Given this and DNA evidence which is surely left at virtually all murder scenes you must be a huge price to be convicted. Then you got the 2nd out of an appeal. I would be in balls deep for a millball. I would rather die than serve a proper life sentence behind bars though so would be less likely to do it if it involved a life in prisonment. I wouldn't want that downside of the gamble. Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: RED-DOG on January 13, 2016, 02:53:02 PM Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness. Given this and DNA evidence which is surely left at virtually all murder scenes you must be a huge price to be convicted. Then you got the 2nd out of an appeal. I would be in balls deep for a millball. I would rather die than serve a proper life sentence behind bars though so would be less likely to do it if it involved a life in prisonment. I wouldn't want that downside of the gamble. So virtually no chance of it happening, but you won't risk it? Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: Ironside on January 13, 2016, 02:53:43 PM My lifestyle is worth more than 1 million you couldn't lock me away for 5 years for a million never mind the rest of my naturel
No dancing no women no booze no poker friends and family on ration A week in hospital has me climbing walls You can stick you million where sun don't shine Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: arbboy on January 13, 2016, 03:03:50 PM Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness. Given this and DNA evidence which is surely left at virtually all murder scenes you must be a huge price to be convicted. Then you got the 2nd out of an appeal. I would be in balls deep for a millball. I would rather die than serve a proper life sentence behind bars though so would be less likely to do it if it involved a life in prisonment. I wouldn't want that downside of the gamble. So virtually no chance of it happening, but you won't risk it? Correct a 1% chance of being locked up for 50 years potentially in a prison and dying there is not worth the upside of £1m imo of course. I personally would be willing to do it if i suffered the death penalty instead. Much less suffering than a 50 year prison term with no chance of release. Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: RED-DOG on January 13, 2016, 03:10:22 PM Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness. Given this and DNA evidence which is surely left at virtually all murder scenes you must be a huge price to be convicted. Then you got the 2nd out of an appeal. I would be in balls deep for a millball. I would rather die than serve a proper life sentence behind bars though so would be less likely to do it if it involved a life in prisonment. I wouldn't want that downside of the gamble. So virtually no chance of it happening, but you won't risk it? Correct a 1% chance of being locked up for 50 years potentially in a prison and dying there is not worth the upside of £1m imo of course. I personally would be willing to do it if i suffered the death penalty instead. Much less suffering than a 50 year prison term with no chance of release. But a 1 in 100 chance of dying is fine? Would a million make your life 100 times better? Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: POWWWWWWWW on January 13, 2016, 03:14:10 PM EV wise we're serving 6 months in prison for £990,000
Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: arbboy on January 13, 2016, 03:19:05 PM Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness. Given this and DNA evidence which is surely left at virtually all murder scenes you must be a huge price to be convicted. Then you got the 2nd out of an appeal. I would be in balls deep for a millball. I would rather die than serve a proper life sentence behind bars though so would be less likely to do it if it involved a life in prisonment. I wouldn't want that downside of the gamble. So virtually no chance of it happening, but you won't risk it? Correct a 1% chance of being locked up for 50 years potentially in a prison and dying there is not worth the upside of £1m imo of course. I personally would be willing to do it if i suffered the death penalty instead. Much less suffering than a 50 year prison term with no chance of release. But a 1 in 100 chance of dying is fine? Would a million make your life 100 times better? I have no wife/kids to think about and i would be willing to take that gamble for £1m. I don't expect most people would agree with me. I couldn't think of anything worse in the world than being stuck in a prison for the rest of my life knowing i can never get out. I would 1000% rather die. Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: RED-DOG on January 13, 2016, 03:21:22 PM Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness. Given this and DNA evidence which is surely left at virtually all murder scenes you must be a huge price to be convicted. Then you got the 2nd out of an appeal. I would be in balls deep for a millball. I would rather die than serve a proper life sentence behind bars though so would be less likely to do it if it involved a life in prisonment. I wouldn't want that downside of the gamble. So virtually no chance of it happening, but you won't risk it? Correct a 1% chance of being locked up for 50 years potentially in a prison and dying there is not worth the upside of £1m imo of course. I personally would be willing to do it if i suffered the death penalty instead. Much less suffering than a 50 year prison term with no chance of release. But a 1 in 100 chance of dying is fine? Would a million make your life 100 times better? I have no wife/kids to think about and i would be willing to take that gamble for £1m. I don't expect most people would agree with me. I couldn't think of anything worse in the world than being stuck in a prison for the rest of my life knowing i can never get out. I would 1000% rather die. So would a million make your life 100 times better? Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: RED-DOG on January 13, 2016, 03:23:06 PM ^^^^^^^^
Sounds argumentative, but just chewing the fat, honest. Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: Doobs on January 13, 2016, 03:24:08 PM Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness. Given this and DNA evidence which is surely left at virtually all murder scenes you must be a huge price to be convicted. Then you got the 2nd out of an appeal. I would be in balls deep for a millball. I would rather die than serve a proper life sentence behind bars though so would be less likely to do it if it involved a life in prisonment. I wouldn't want that downside of the gamble. So virtually no chance of it happening, but you won't risk it? Correct a 1% chance of being locked up for 50 years potentially in a prison and dying there is not worth the upside of £1m imo of course. I personally would be willing to do it if i suffered the death penalty instead. Much less suffering than a 50 year prison term with no chance of release. But a 1 in 100 chance of dying is fine? Would a million make your life 100 times better? I have no wife/kids to think about and i would be willing to take that gamble for £1m. I don't expect most people would agree with me. I couldn't think of anything worse in the world than being stuck in a prison for the rest of my life knowing i can never get out. I would 1000% rather die. So would a million make your life 100 times better? Your maths is off, if it is 1 in a 100, so 1 million would need to be more than 1% better. I do think 1 in 100 is too high with no evidence and no previous in a UK court You not answering the question at the top then? Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: RED-DOG on January 13, 2016, 03:28:55 PM Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness. Given this and DNA evidence which is surely left at virtually all murder scenes you must be a huge price to be convicted. Then you got the 2nd out of an appeal. I would be in balls deep for a millball. I would rather die than serve a proper life sentence behind bars though so would be less likely to do it if it involved a life in prisonment. I wouldn't want that downside of the gamble. So virtually no chance of it happening, but you won't risk it? Correct a 1% chance of being locked up for 50 years potentially in a prison and dying there is not worth the upside of £1m imo of course. I personally would be willing to do it if i suffered the death penalty instead. Much less suffering than a 50 year prison term with no chance of release. But a 1 in 100 chance of dying is fine? Would a million make your life 100 times better? I have no wife/kids to think about and i would be willing to take that gamble for £1m. I don't expect most people would agree with me. I couldn't think of anything worse in the world than being stuck in a prison for the rest of my life knowing i can never get out. I would 1000% rather die. So would a million make your life 100 times better? Your maths is off, if it is 1 in a 100, so 1 million would need to be more than 1% better. I do think 1 in 100 is too high with no evidence and no previous in a UK court You not answering the question at the top then? Not sure if you are talking to me but the maths off comment makes me suspect that you are. Assuming Argue is correct and there is a one in one hundred chance of being convicted I wouldn't do it even if it was 10 million. Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: arbboy on January 13, 2016, 03:38:22 PM Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness. Given this and DNA evidence which is surely left at virtually all murder scenes you must be a huge price to be convicted. Then you got the 2nd out of an appeal. I would be in balls deep for a millball. I would rather die than serve a proper life sentence behind bars though so would be less likely to do it if it involved a life in prisonment. I wouldn't want that downside of the gamble. So virtually no chance of it happening, but you won't risk it? Correct a 1% chance of being locked up for 50 years potentially in a prison and dying there is not worth the upside of £1m imo of course. I personally would be willing to do it if i suffered the death penalty instead. Much less suffering than a 50 year prison term with no chance of release. But a 1 in 100 chance of dying is fine? Would a million make your life 100 times better? I have no wife/kids to think about and i would be willing to take that gamble for £1m. I don't expect most people would agree with me. I couldn't think of anything worse in the world than being stuck in a prison for the rest of my life knowing i can never get out. I would 1000% rather die. So would a million make your life 100 times better? Yes it would tbh given the tiny chance of me facing the death penalty. With my 100% clean record/dna records and a potential appeal i would be amazed if i wasn't 1000/1 to be convicted. It is the risk/reward ratio which appeals to me not the £1m alone. It is how unlikely i am to suffer anything because of taking the gamble that i probably would tbh. Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: arbboy on January 13, 2016, 03:41:21 PM Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness. Given this and DNA evidence which is surely left at virtually all murder scenes you must be a huge price to be convicted. Then you got the 2nd out of an appeal. I would be in balls deep for a millball. I would rather die than serve a proper life sentence behind bars though so would be less likely to do it if it involved a life in prisonment. I wouldn't want that downside of the gamble. So virtually no chance of it happening, but you won't risk it? Correct a 1% chance of being locked up for 50 years potentially in a prison and dying there is not worth the upside of £1m imo of course. I personally would be willing to do it if i suffered the death penalty instead. Much less suffering than a 50 year prison term with no chance of release. But a 1 in 100 chance of dying is fine? Would a million make your life 100 times better? I have no wife/kids to think about and i would be willing to take that gamble for £1m. I don't expect most people would agree with me. I couldn't think of anything worse in the world than being stuck in a prison for the rest of my life knowing i can never get out. I would 1000% rather die. So would a million make your life 100 times better? Your maths is off, if it is 1 in a 100, so 1 million would need to be more than 1% better. I do think 1 in 100 is too high with no evidence and no previous in a UK court You not answering the question at the top then? Not sure if you are talking to me but the maths off comment makes me suspect that you are. Assuming Argue is correct and there is a one in one hundred chance of being convicted I wouldn't do it even if it was 10 million. I think you are being irrational here. You are pretty much saying if i will play the lottery with you personally on Saturday (the old lottery lets assume with 49 balls where you were a 14million to one shot to win it). You will take my bet if my 6 numbers come out u go to prison for life or die. If they don't you get £1m. I can't imagine any semi sensible person not being willing to take that gamble. I dont expect people to admit it in public but if they were offered it privately with no one knowing i would be amazed virtually anyone alive who is worth less than £250k would do it in a heart beat. Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: RED-DOG on January 13, 2016, 03:49:04 PM Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness. Given this and DNA evidence which is surely left at virtually all murder scenes you must be a huge price to be convicted. Then you got the 2nd out of an appeal. I would be in balls deep for a millball. I would rather die than serve a proper life sentence behind bars though so would be less likely to do it if it involved a life in prisonment. I wouldn't want that downside of the gamble. So virtually no chance of it happening, but you won't risk it? Correct a 1% chance of being locked up for 50 years potentially in a prison and dying there is not worth the upside of £1m imo of course. I personally would be willing to do it if i suffered the death penalty instead. Much less suffering than a 50 year prison term with no chance of release. But a 1 in 100 chance of dying is fine? Would a million make your life 100 times better? I have no wife/kids to think about and i would be willing to take that gamble for £1m. I don't expect most people would agree with me. I couldn't think of anything worse in the world than being stuck in a prison for the rest of my life knowing i can never get out. I would 1000% rather die. So would a million make your life 100 times better? Your maths is off, if it is 1 in a 100, so 1 million would need to be more than 1% better. I do think 1 in 100 is too high with no evidence and no previous in a UK court You not answering the question at the top then? Not sure if you are talking to me but the maths off comment makes me suspect that you are. Assuming Argue is correct and there is a one in one hundred chance of being convicted I wouldn't do it even if it was 10 million. I think you are being irrational here. You are pretty much saying if i will play the lottery with you personally on Saturday (the old lottery lets assume with 49 balls where you were a 14million to one shot to win it). You will take my bet if my 6 numbers come out u go to prison for life or die. If they don't you get £1m. I can't imagine any semi sensible person not being willing to take that gamble. I dont expect people to admit it in public but if they were offered it privately with no one knowing i would be amazed virtually anyone alive who is worth less than £250k would do it in a heart beat. I can't imagine what public / private has to do with it. My statement, and I stand by it, was that I wouldn't gamble with my life if there was a 1 in 100 chance of losing Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: arbboy on January 13, 2016, 03:51:21 PM Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness. Given this and DNA evidence which is surely left at virtually all murder scenes you must be a huge price to be convicted. Then you got the 2nd out of an appeal. I would be in balls deep for a millball. I would rather die than serve a proper life sentence behind bars though so would be less likely to do it if it involved a life in prisonment. I wouldn't want that downside of the gamble. So virtually no chance of it happening, but you won't risk it? Correct a 1% chance of being locked up for 50 years potentially in a prison and dying there is not worth the upside of £1m imo of course. I personally would be willing to do it if i suffered the death penalty instead. Much less suffering than a 50 year prison term with no chance of release. But a 1 in 100 chance of dying is fine? Would a million make your life 100 times better? I have no wife/kids to think about and i would be willing to take that gamble for £1m. I don't expect most people would agree with me. I couldn't think of anything worse in the world than being stuck in a prison for the rest of my life knowing i can never get out. I would 1000% rather die. So would a million make your life 100 times better? Your maths is off, if it is 1 in a 100, so 1 million would need to be more than 1% better. I do think 1 in 100 is too high with no evidence and no previous in a UK court You not answering the question at the top then? Not sure if you are talking to me but the maths off comment makes me suspect that you are. Assuming Argue is correct and there is a one in one hundred chance of being convicted I wouldn't do it even if it was 10 million. I think you are being irrational here. You are pretty much saying if i will play the lottery with you personally on Saturday (the old lottery lets assume with 49 balls where you were a 14million to one shot to win it). You will take my bet if my 6 numbers come out u go to prison for life or die. If they don't you get £1m. I can't imagine any semi sensible person not being willing to take that gamble. I dont expect people to admit it in public but if they were offered it privately with no one knowing i would be amazed virtually anyone alive who is worth less than £250k would do it in a heart beat. I can't imagine what public / private has to do with it. My statement, and I stand by it, was that I wouldn't gamble with my life if there was a 1 in 100 chance of losing You also said you wouldn't do it if there was a 1 in 10 million chance of it happening for £1m. Public/private would make a difference to a lot of people. They publicly would never want to be seen to admit they would do this. Privately they probably would because they know how unlikely it would be that they would have to die and they would just hoover £1m with no hassle. Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: arbboy on January 13, 2016, 03:52:22 PM Sorry tom i have mis read your statement. You said you wouldn't do it for £10m not a 1 in 10 million chance of dying. Sorry. I totally understand that at 100/1 shot for someone like yourself with a big family. I think i would still pull the trigger and gamble personally. Each to their own.
Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: RED-DOG on January 13, 2016, 03:58:39 PM Sorry tom i have mis read your statement. You said you wouldn't do it for £10m not a 1 in 10 million chance of dying. Sorry. I totally understand that at 100/1 shot for someone like yourself with a big family. I think i would still pull the trigger and gamble personally. Each to their own. No problem. On with the argument... Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: BiloxiDesire on January 13, 2016, 03:58:51 PM Isn't a big part that's missing here that there needs to be at least some evidence to point towards it being you in order for it to be taken to trial?
Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: RED-DOG on January 13, 2016, 03:59:04 PM Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness. Given this and DNA evidence which is surely left at virtually all murder scenes you must be a huge price to be convicted. Then you got the 2nd out of an appeal. I would be in balls deep for a millball. I would rather die than serve a proper life sentence behind bars though so would be less likely to do it if it involved a life in prisonment. I wouldn't want that downside of the gamble. So virtually no chance of it happening, but you won't risk it? Correct a 1% chance of being locked up for 50 years potentially in a prison and dying there is not worth the upside of £1m imo of course. I personally would be willing to do it if i suffered the death penalty instead. Much less suffering than a 50 year prison term with no chance of release. But a 1 in 100 chance of dying is fine? Would a million make your life 100 times better? I have no wife/kids to think about and i would be willing to take that gamble for £1m. I don't expect most people would agree with me. I couldn't think of anything worse in the world than being stuck in a prison for the rest of my life knowing i can never get out. I would 1000% rather die. So would a million make your life 100 times better? Your maths is off, if it is 1 in a 100, so 1 million would need to be more than 1% better. I do think 1 in 100 is too high with no evidence and no previous in a UK court You not answering the question at the top then? Not sure if you are talking to me but the maths off comment makes me suspect that you are. Assuming Argue is correct and there is a one in one hundred chance of being convicted I wouldn't do it even if it was 10 million. I think you are being irrational here. You are pretty much saying if i will play the lottery with you personally on Saturday (the old lottery lets assume with 49 balls where you were a 14million to one shot to win it). You will take my bet if my 6 numbers come out u go to prison for life or die. If they don't you get £1m. I can't imagine any semi sensible person not being willing to take that gamble. I dont expect people to admit it in public but if they were offered it privately with no one knowing i would be amazed virtually anyone alive who is worth less than £250k would do it in a heart beat. I can't imagine what public / private has to do with it. My statement, and I stand by it, was that I wouldn't gamble with my life if there was a 1 in 100 chance of losing Public/private would make a difference to a lot of people. They publicly would never want to be seen to admit they would do this. Privately they probably would because they know how unlikely it would be that they would have to die and they would just hoover £1m with no hassle. How could you possibly know that? I could just as easily say (and I think it more likely) that the exact opposite is true. I think that most of those who say they would in public would chicken out in private, especially if they were strapped into an electric chair and the die was about to be cast. Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: arbboy on January 13, 2016, 04:04:58 PM Most people would have to run ridiculously bad to not have an alibi with at least one witness. Given this and DNA evidence which is surely left at virtually all murder scenes you must be a huge price to be convicted. Then you got the 2nd out of an appeal. I would be in balls deep for a millball. I would rather die than serve a proper life sentence behind bars though so would be less likely to do it if it involved a life in prisonment. I wouldn't want that downside of the gamble. So virtually no chance of it happening, but you won't risk it? Correct a 1% chance of being locked up for 50 years potentially in a prison and dying there is not worth the upside of £1m imo of course. I personally would be willing to do it if i suffered the death penalty instead. Much less suffering than a 50 year prison term with no chance of release. But a 1 in 100 chance of dying is fine? Would a million make your life 100 times better? I have no wife/kids to think about and i would be willing to take that gamble for £1m. I don't expect most people would agree with me. I couldn't think of anything worse in the world than being stuck in a prison for the rest of my life knowing i can never get out. I would 1000% rather die. So would a million make your life 100 times better? Your maths is off, if it is 1 in a 100, so 1 million would need to be more than 1% better. I do think 1 in 100 is too high with no evidence and no previous in a UK court You not answering the question at the top then? Not sure if you are talking to me but the maths off comment makes me suspect that you are. Assuming Argue is correct and there is a one in one hundred chance of being convicted I wouldn't do it even if it was 10 million. I think you are being irrational here. You are pretty much saying if i will play the lottery with you personally on Saturday (the old lottery lets assume with 49 balls where you were a 14million to one shot to win it). You will take my bet if my 6 numbers come out u go to prison for life or die. If they don't you get £1m. I can't imagine any semi sensible person not being willing to take that gamble. I dont expect people to admit it in public but if they were offered it privately with no one knowing i would be amazed virtually anyone alive who is worth less than £250k would do it in a heart beat. I can't imagine what public / private has to do with it. My statement, and I stand by it, was that I wouldn't gamble with my life if there was a 1 in 100 chance of losing Public/private would make a difference to a lot of people. They publicly would never want to be seen to admit they would do this. Privately they probably would because they know how unlikely it would be that they would have to die and they would just hoover £1m with no hassle. How could you possibly know that? I could just as easily say (and I think it more likely) that the exact opposite is true. I think that most of those who say they would in public would chicken out in private, especially if they were strapped into an electric chair and the die was about to be cast. I totally agree with you on the opposite end as well. I just looked at it from one angle and not the other. A lot of people up to their eyeballs in debt would probably do it my way. Deny doing it in public so their family doesn't hate them but still go ahead and do it in private and take the gamble. Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: RED-DOG on January 13, 2016, 04:14:16 PM You're no fun. Too much agreeing.
Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: Doobs on January 13, 2016, 04:14:46 PM Therre is no UK death penalty so I am assuming that doesn't apply. But even if it was a death penalty every smoker should be signing up for this. They have a way higher chance of killing themselves for very little gain in their lives. Heavy drinkers, people with risky jobs the same. I know the train is much safer, but frequently drive for that little bit of enjoyment I get from it.
A million is enough to make a big difference. No more working away, so I see the kids etc. I could just change schools if we had issues. Could holiday when and where I liked. The upside is not close to balancing out the downside of it was 50/50, but it clearly isn't. Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: EvilPie on January 13, 2016, 04:19:35 PM Easiest million you'll ever make.
If you didn't do it you just have to use the Shaggy defence "It wasn't me" and you'd be fine. It's the prosecutions job to prove you've done it and if you didn't then they really haven't got a chance. I understand that some innocent people get convicted but they aren't exactly picked out at random. There's obviously a very good reason for putting them in the dock and that's why the jury gets it wrong. Actual odds against this going wrong are way over 100/1 so I'd definitely give it a go. Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: arbboy on January 13, 2016, 04:21:13 PM You're no fun. Too much agreeing. You love a ruck and i should be your perfect customer. Sorry to not play along today. I am happy and winning too much and sober. Try again another day! Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: arbboy on January 13, 2016, 04:25:20 PM Therre is no UK death penalty so I am assuming that doesn't apply. But even if it was a death penalty every smoker should be signing up for this. They have a way higher chance of killing themselves for very little gain in their lives. Heavy drinkers, people with risky jobs the same. I know the train is much safer, but frequently drive for that little bit of enjoyment I get from it. A million is enough to make a big difference. No more working away, so I see the kids etc. I could just change schools if we had issues. Could holiday when and where I liked. The upside is not close to balancing out the downside of it was 50/50, but it clearly isn't. Difference being though drinkers/smokers get to live their lifes until they die earlier. Under this situation you are going to die instantly (ie in the next year) and not get to live your life. The two things are not really comparable. Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: RED-DOG on January 13, 2016, 04:27:05 PM You're no fun. Too much agreeing. You love a ruck. No I don't. Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: AlunB on January 13, 2016, 04:29:47 PM Easiest million you'll ever make. If you didn't do it you just have to use the Shaggy defence "It wasn't me" and you'd be fine. It's the prosecutions job to prove you've done it and if you didn't then they really haven't got a chance. I understand that some innocent people get convicted but they aren't exactly picked out at random. There's obviously a very good reason for putting them in the dock and that's why the jury gets it wrong. Actual odds against this going wrong are way over 100/1 so I'd definitely give it a go. I think the assumption here is there would at least be some circumstantial or fabricated evidence against you. Not that they just picked a random bloke for no reason and tried to convict him of murder. I think it's saying put yourself in the shoes of someone innocently convicted of murder (it happens) and how safe do you feel with a jury. Not are all juries dribbling simpletons who will convict anyone they are told to. Although maybe I've misunderstood. Title: Re: Would you trust a jury with your life? Post by: Doobs on January 13, 2016, 04:46:19 PM Therre is no UK death penalty so I am assuming that doesn't apply. But even if it was a death penalty every smoker should be signing up for this. They have a way higher chance of killing themselves for very little gain in their lives. Heavy drinkers, people with risky jobs the same. I know the train is much safer, but frequently drive for that little bit of enjoyment I get from it. A million is enough to make a big difference. No more working away, so I see the kids etc. I could just change schools if we had issues. Could holiday when and where I liked. The upside is not close to balancing out the downside of it was 50/50, but it clearly isn't. Difference being though drinkers/smokers get to live their lifes until they die earlier. Under this situation you are going to die instantly (ie in the next year) and not get to live your life. The two things are not really comparable. No they don't. One of the friends of fhe family is very unlikely to see 2017. Some cancers are very very aggressive. Heart attacks can be fatal very quickly, as can strokes/embolisms. Get behind the wheel after a few beers... One million quid for no more red meat? Red meat is way more than 1/100. What about bacon sandwiches? Worth more than a million? I haven't been diving for a while, but would love to start it up again etc. As I say, people take risks with their lives for very little upside. |