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Title: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: TheFruitbat on March 01, 2016, 07:21:30 PM
Live MTT UKPC Main event.

£1100 buy in

Day 1B-

blinds 600-1200/200

Hero stack 42,600

Villain 1 Stack ~80,000

Villain 2 Stack ~50,000

Villain 3 Stack 5,100

Hero is seen as active and aggressive but not way OOL at all.

Villain 1 is a very active and aggressive good PRO. Been caught bluffing multiple times and previously been active 3-betting and 4-betting without showdown.

Villain 2 is on the tightish side but not nitty. Capable of 3-bet bluffing after seeing his hands at showdown previously.

Villain 3 has just lost a huge pot the previous hand and is probably pretty tilted being down to 4BBs on the BB, but is a good thinking player nonetheless.



Villain 1 opens CO to 2,500

Hero flats BTN with  7h 7s

Villain 2 flats SB 2,500

Villain 3 slides his remaining 3,900 over the line after a brief 10 sec pause, so Re-raises to 5,100 ALL IN

Villain 1 tanks a short while before Raising to 11,800

HERO is ALL IN 42,600.

Line check please? Thoughts?


Title: Re: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: Mitch on March 01, 2016, 07:37:21 PM
People are laughing at you.


Title: Re: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: cambridgealex on March 01, 2016, 07:41:42 PM
Fold for me


Title: Re: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: stato_1 on March 01, 2016, 07:42:04 PM
Fold. Next hand.


Title: Re: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: TightEnd on March 01, 2016, 07:43:32 PM
sneaking feeling this is a dig at another player's play but will answer nonetheless

why are we going all in? fold

40k at 600-1200 if you fold, where's the drama. move on


Title: Re: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: pleno1 on March 01, 2016, 07:51:38 PM
flat. lets see 3.


Title: Re: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: TheRagingBull on March 01, 2016, 08:05:20 PM
Foldz


Title: Re: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: jakally on March 01, 2016, 08:17:39 PM
Looks like a fold to me.


Title: Re: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: theprawnidentity on March 01, 2016, 10:38:12 PM
Think I'm in the fold camp.  Even if we can show a slight profit from jamming, we can do better things with 35bb in this comp.


Title: Re: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: FredW on March 02, 2016, 12:18:43 AM
I like it. If he's good and opening wide and then 4betting his entire range to iso then you're going to get a lot of folds surely?


Title: Re: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: cambridgealex on March 02, 2016, 12:21:15 AM
35bb with 77?


Title: Re: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: HarrytheDragon on March 02, 2016, 12:57:56 AM
Suppose you can get lots of good hands to fold there, I'm assuming his calling range there is pretty slim but why risk 40BBS


Title: Re: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: cambridgealex on March 02, 2016, 12:59:39 AM
Suppose you can get lots of good hands to fold there, I'm assuming his calling range there is pretty slim but why risk 40BBS

Enter the dragon.


Title: Re: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: TheFruitbat on March 02, 2016, 01:24:05 AM
My opinion is this...

CO is good, obv this is tough when you're in a live MTT but guessing the villains ranges is the key factor here IMO.

My guess was he was opening something like this..

22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T8s+,98s,87s,76s,A2o+,K8o+,QTo+,JTo    and IMO that's still pretty tight but w/e the BB is short and all that jazz so some people don't like raising too wide.

Hero is me.

My thoughts at the time we're that it's a really good spot to go after Villain 3's stack and I estimated that Villain 1 being a good aggressive player would realise his range plays extremely well vs Villain 3's 4BB all in range which will be SUPER wide and look to ISO him close to 100% with Hero's and Villain 2's Dead money when we fold making his price even better.

Now if people think this range is a mistake and if indeed Villain 1 doesn't see the hand like I would and isn't looking to ISO the BB VERY wide, this jam will obviously become less and less good.

I think 77 is going to show a reasonable chip EV profit as a jam here and I'm basically just looking to exploit Villain 1's intention to ISO Villain 3's stack very wide.

Even with the price he's getting he's not going to call off that whole range and will fold a reasonable amount of the time.

Guessing he will call off like 22+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KQo

And if he does go with this range 77 plays fine vs this calling range (49.82%equity), which will include some hands we even dominate and the vast majority of hands we Flip vs. Also we are netting a very profitable situation when he folds and we go heads up vs Villain 3.

Finally Villain 2 may call off sometimes but my estimation at the time would be anything that crushes 77 in his range barring  8d 8h  ;stickaforkinme; or maybe 99??? would 3bet pre. So I wasn't worried about him. Because that's a very small portion of his range.

I would love to hear people's feedback on this if you think any of my estimations on villains ranges or my calculations are wrong or if you see any error in my logic maybe? Thanks peeps.


Title: Re: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: stato_1 on March 02, 2016, 01:31:48 AM
I think the range that you think the ISO guy will call off with when you jam is too wide, but w/e that's good for you.

The problem is that if the ISOer is a good player and you say he is, he won't just assume that you and the sb guy have put dead money in since he will know that you will both probably have realised that the big blind is reasonably likely to go all in so will have more traps pre and less speculative hands.

Despite this I still think jamming 77 is best here, get folds plenty IMO. (was trolling earlier due to some off forum banter that was involved!)

If there was ever a tournament I would fold in though this would probably have been it... Is this the last day one?!


Title: Re: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: TheFruitbat on March 02, 2016, 12:27:31 PM
I think the range that you think the ISO guy will call off with when you jam is too wide, but w/e that's good for you.


Yeah, it might be slightly light. However, I'm just basing this range on the fact that Villain 1 said he had ATo and was going to snap call my all in if SB folded. Also, the very juicy pot odds he was offered and the fact that even though It's a reasonable spot to trap with monsters, my range still looks pretty capped and in fairness, it is. I'd like to think I'd be trapping with AA here close to 100% of the time but I'm certain with our dynamic I'm still 3bet-calling 99+, AQ+. Also with his stack it still leaves him 35BBs if he calls and loses, which does damage his utility but not critically and the benefit of calling and winning is a huge stack.

And yeah villain could assume we have some traps in our range because of this dynamic, I still think he opens the same range and has a pretty profitable ISO to 11.8k with basically all of that range, this is obv just the instinct I had at the time though.

This was DAY1B, there was another day 1 sure but that wouldn't affect my decision making process in any way.

Cheers for the feedback though Statman, appreciate it.



Title: Re: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: pleno1 on March 02, 2016, 05:04:25 PM
Why can't we flat?


Title: Re: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: TheFruitbat on March 02, 2016, 07:05:31 PM
Why can't we flat?

Pretty interesting question.

The reason I liked jamming>flatting>folding is it's just easier to play this way IMO, 77 has a lot of raw equity and has bad visibility in this kind of pot post flop. Also, without any knowledge of Villain 1's tendencies in this spot post-flop I thought putting nearly 30% of my stack with no idea how to continue didn't feel good? I always play these spots as a jam to save the headache tbh lol.

You think flatting>jamming? Would you mind going into more detail please dude?





Title: Re: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: pleno1 on March 03, 2016, 03:02:53 AM
completely depends on lots of things, but people freeze a lot and are very honest post flop when you flat again. most boards are going to be better for your perceived range than his too i think.


Title: Re: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: pleno1 on March 03, 2016, 03:03:16 AM
we can also turn our hand into a bluff a bunch too in great spots.


Title: Re: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: david3103 on March 03, 2016, 10:33:52 AM
any love for raising to 3900 and making V1's shove an under-raise? He's shoving pretty wide, no?

Multiway to the flop with potential to play a big pot if we make our set and a small one otherwise.


Title: Re: Here we go again... UKPC interesting spot :D
Post by: doubleup on March 03, 2016, 11:51:28 AM
any love for raising to 3900 and making V1's shove an under-raise? He's shoving pretty wide, no?

Multiway to the flop with potential to play a big pot if we make our set and a small one otherwise.


villain one can still raise unless the venue has some bizarre rule.