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Title: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: GiGi on June 26, 2005, 10:32:23 AM
Bonjour people, i Live within the midlands area and i jus wondering which casino to make my local, any info of you guys would be appriecated, which ones are good value and well run etc etc cheers


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: ifm on June 26, 2005, 11:42:54 AM
Walsall is the best (comps every night and Sat, Sun, Weds and Friday afternoons).
It's at junction 10 on the M6.
Also the broadway in Birmingham city centre (just off five ways island, the old childrens hospital) Sundays, Mondays and Tuesday nights.
Then Star city casino Wednesday and thursday nights (err star city)
Hope this helps,
Ian


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Longy on June 26, 2005, 11:43:41 AM
Um there are quite a few round the midlands. Depends on what part. There is the Grosvenor in Walsall, a couple in birimingham, stanleys in Derby has started up again and of course there is the mighty gala in Nottingham.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: GiGi on June 26, 2005, 11:47:04 AM
so gala notts is the best in the midlands?


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: ifm on June 26, 2005, 11:49:06 AM
It's the best in the gala car park in Nottingham  ;D


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: tikay on June 26, 2005, 11:58:30 AM
Hi Gigi,

Welcome to blonde.

You don't say which part of the Midlands, but I only really know 3 Midlands Casinos.

Napoleon's, Owlerton, Sheffield. Huge Free Car Park, comps to suit all pockets, CardRoom run by a couple of characters in Craig & Fordy, typically Yorkshire clientele. Friendly. Smoking permitted, tends to get very smokey. Comps start on time as a rule.

Gala Notts. If you are a regular blonde reader, you'll know ALL about Gala Nottts! Smoking permitted. CardRoom Manager a real hard working guy, who will make any new players welcome.

Grosvenor Walsall - The Real Deal! One of Britain's best venues without a shadow of doubt. Free Car Park. Free Buffet before every "special" comp, and when I say buffet, I mean a proper meal. Worth 10 in itself. Smoking is NOT permitted in the Card Room. Comps from 5 to ,1,500, & these days they start very punctually. The CardRoom Manager is a Tom Cruise look-alike, though Tom is a lot taller.

If we can help further, just say.

Take care Gigi, hope to bump into you at one of the above soon. If you live near Walsall, pop in today (I will be there all day) & say Hi please, it's nice to meet blondeites.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: snoopy1239 on June 26, 2005, 01:00:48 PM
To be honest, and I assume honesty is an integral part of these forums, I think Walsall would be a better place to start than Notts.

I was at the Gala Thursday and would have sunk into my seat if I'd been a first timer.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Bongo on June 26, 2005, 02:32:07 PM
stanleys in Derby has started up again

Any details of what comps they run?


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: AdamM on June 26, 2005, 03:44:37 PM
anything in particular snoopy, or just the usual?


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: snoopy1239 on June 26, 2005, 04:35:32 PM
Well Taffy was dealing my table for a start. Cue shouting, arguing, swearing, singing 'waiting' songs when some1 ponders.

To be fair tho, it wasn't just Taffy who was causing a hostlie table. Other players were winding him up, as usual, and trying to piss him off. Taking the Michael out of his pink shirt was way below the belt and it certainly doesn't mean he's gay like 1 opponent suggested.  ;D

But, in all seriousness, I would have found all this very intimidating if I was a newbie. Although Gala is a fun place to play, at times, tables can become intimidating to the newbie.

I personally feel that the players in Walsall have a tad more patience with first-timers and there are more low stake comps where the newbie isn't alone.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Bongo on June 26, 2005, 04:39:14 PM
Taffy was dealing my table on friday and they were still going on about his shirt. Not a word said about mine, which I thought odd.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: snoopy1239 on June 26, 2005, 04:47:34 PM
Taffy was dealing my table on friday and they were still going on about his shirt. Not a word said about mine, which I thought odd.

 :D

Cos he's easier to wind up.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: DTD-Nick.W on June 26, 2005, 05:30:17 PM
Ah Bongo your the one withe the crazy shirt!!!!!!
Yea strange no grief on yours i suppose you got to wear a dodgy shirt and be taffy to qualify


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Bongo on June 26, 2005, 06:08:41 PM
Maybe, but then my shirt wasn't pink  :D


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Longy on June 26, 2005, 06:13:03 PM
Aaah the brilliant ongoings at notts. You can always guarentee an arguement at Taffys table there seems to be one every night over nothing. It always amuses me that Rob has to go over and sort it out, taffy will never admit he is wrong. Then Kev will start winding him up, if he is not too busy moaning about something or the other. I find it all quite amusing really. I agree tho it can be intimidating for new players and you have to have quite thick skinned with some of the characters up there.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Junior Senior on June 26, 2005, 08:11:47 PM
I went to the toilet at Notts the other week and taffy was washing his hands and shouting at somebody.  I said "whats all the fuss about taff?" he pointed to the mirror and said "that ugly bastard through there keeps looking at me" - i told him that it was a mirror and the fella looking at him was none other than himself! he didn't believe me though and sarted arguing with me and calling me a lier - i left the room to the sound of him still cursing the steptoe look-a-like on the other side of the wash basin!

all good fun


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: DTD-Nick.W on June 26, 2005, 08:14:18 PM
LOL
Sounds right junior


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: snoopy1239 on June 26, 2005, 08:22:11 PM
I think we need a Taffy thread.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: redsimon on June 26, 2005, 08:48:06 PM
I think we need a Taffy thread.

I think not.... ;)


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: tikay on June 27, 2005, 03:30:07 AM
You mean Taffy, the CardRoom Manager?

He's old & cantankeros & Welsh, a dreadful combination. I take him with a pinch of salt, he don't try & mess with me for some reason. But I do cringe when he's giving large and some poor newbie is sat there wondering what on earth he has let himself in for. A quiet word in his ear is needed, because it's just plain daft that Gala are working so hard to make things better down there, & Taffy, who contributes no more than any other player, is dishing out grief left right and centre. It is VERY unsettling for newbies to encounter old Taffy when he's got it on him.

He's harmless really, but the kids are unsettled by him. And we are trying to encourage Lady players, who'd allow their Lady to sit on a table when Taff is on full song?

Back off a shade please Taffy, we go there to have fun, not be moaned at. The married folks can stay at home & endure that.

Add it to your list Rob......


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: redsimon on June 27, 2005, 08:48:24 AM
Well said Tony. Spot on.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: snoopy1239 on June 27, 2005, 02:09:33 PM
And back off all the people that wind him up intentionally.

 :P


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: tikay on June 27, 2005, 02:16:38 PM
Fair point snoopy, he's an easy target, so the wise guys chuck a little bait, Taffy bites in a flash, & the newbies end up wondering what the hell is going on.

But we are all responsible for the way we conduct ourselves, & Taffy's old enough & ugly enough to know that by now.

But if you blow a little smoke up his arse, he'll look after you for life.

People skills, that's all.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: snoopy1239 on June 27, 2005, 02:18:27 PM
He didn't help himself by wearing a pink shirt on Thursday.

 :-\


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: tikay on June 27, 2005, 02:21:52 PM
Some folks have NO idea of fashion, eh?

But for some of us, good clothes sense comes naturally, without thinking.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: snoopy1239 on June 27, 2005, 02:25:33 PM
On a more serious note, Taffy dealing, and the kafuffle it causes, does highlight the importance of House Dealers. I know it's a touchy subject at the Gala with folk goin on about it, but it would make a hell of a difference.



Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: tikay on June 27, 2005, 02:39:50 PM
Agreed.

Softly softly, catchee monkee. Trust me.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Nightfly on June 27, 2005, 07:03:10 PM
It would be inappropriate for me to comment on the developments of this thread.(with regard to pink shirted individuals)
except maybe to say:

Before you criticise someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes... That way, when you criticise them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes ;)


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Robert HM on June 27, 2005, 07:08:04 PM
Firstly, still smiling at the post above.

Secondly, can't comment about Nottingham as I yet to go to the Gala but having ventured into Walsall  I say I had a more than pleasurable time in the 300 freezeout and, yes, there is a bloke that looks like pocket Tom Cruise.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: snoopy1239 on June 27, 2005, 07:17:08 PM
It would be inappropriate for me to comment on the developments of this thread.
except maybe to say:

Before you criticise someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes... That way, when you criticise them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes ;)

I understand and appreciate what you are saying.

However, that doesn't defer from the question that first arose in this thread. 'What casino should I go to?'

My answer remains the same. Go to Walsall for your debut because, as a newbie, you may find various characters at the gala intimidating.

No offense to no1, and I hope none is taken.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: tikay on June 27, 2005, 07:19:42 PM

Well if snoopy's last post does not do the trick, nothing will.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: tikay on June 27, 2005, 07:20:50 PM
But that Tom Cruise lookalike - one guy told me he kinda reminds him of Anthony in Big Brother 6.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: snoopy1239 on June 27, 2005, 07:24:05 PM
Sorry.

I should also state that when you've got warmed up at Walsall, make your way down the Gala for some proper poker. I for one have a far more entertaining time at the Gala than anywhere else in the uk. Just brace yourself for the odd quarrel.  :P

And who are you goin on about Tikay?!?  :o


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: RED-DOG on June 27, 2005, 07:28:03 PM
I think all newbies should play their first game at Annabelles in Coventry, after that everywhere else will be like sunday school


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: snoopy1239 on June 27, 2005, 07:30:36 PM
I think all newbies should play their first game at Annabelles in Coventry, after that everywhere else will be like sunday school

Please elaborate. Sounds interesting.

 :-X


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Nightfly on June 27, 2005, 07:42:23 PM
It would be inappropriate for me to comment on the developments of this thread.
except maybe to say:

Before you criticise someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes... That way, when you criticise them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes ;)

I understand and appreciate what you are saying.

However, that doesn't defer from the question that first arose in this thread. 'What casino should I go to?'

My answer remains the same. Go to Walsall for your debut because, as a newbie, you may find various characters at the gala intimidating.

No offense to no1, and I hope none is taken.

Snoopy it seems that you may have taken my post the wrong way.

I can and will comment on the beginners poker scene etc
i cannot comment negatively about casino customers it is unethical

and please read the joke again for it is indeed a joke.

mile away... have their shoes... funny stuff! ;) ;) ;) ;) :D :o


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Nightfly on June 27, 2005, 07:43:10 PM

Well if snoopy's last post does not do the trick, nothing will.

Do what trick?


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: tikay on June 27, 2005, 07:48:30 PM
Sigh, spell it out time......

Snoopy suggests going to Walsall rather than Notts because, lets cut to the chase here, Taffy intimidates & scares newbies away.

So if THAT does not make Gala bring Taffy into line, nothing will.......

Your steady flow of new Clients are now going to Walsall, because of beng intimidated by the likes of Taffy, & the smoking issue.

So I say, "if that does not do the trick, nothing will.....". The trick being, do something about it!

Hard work THAT.....


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Nightfly on June 27, 2005, 07:49:45 PM
trying to....sigh :'(


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: tikay on June 27, 2005, 07:51:12 PM

We know, we know.

But you owe thanks to the likes of snoopy for pointing these things out.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: redsimon on June 27, 2005, 07:54:14 PM
Wouldn't it be easier to take Taffy to Walsall (and leave him there?) :D


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: tikay on June 27, 2005, 07:56:16 PM

There you go, a briliant piece of lateral thinking by Red.

Just leaves the smoking to sort. Oh, & the dealers (sorry Karabiner....).

Easy, this running a cardroom lark, eh?


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: ifm on June 27, 2005, 08:04:41 PM
We'll swap you one Taffy for one Theo


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: RED-DOG on June 27, 2005, 08:05:47 PM
I think all newbies should play their first game at Annabelles in Coventry, after that everywhere else will be like sunday school

Please elaborate. Sounds interesting.

 :-X

http://www.blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=462.msg10391#msg10391


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: tikay on June 27, 2005, 08:09:02 PM
Ian, forget it.

We will keep Taffy. You can keep Theo.

Both lovely blokes, but talk about moan & whine..........


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: ifm on June 27, 2005, 08:16:05 PM
Dunno Taffy but Theo is a nice fella.
My old fella's favourite saying was "show me a good loser and i'll show you a loser", some folks are just a bit more vocal about it than others  ;D


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: tikay on June 27, 2005, 08:32:27 PM

Taking defeat badly or well is one thing. Moaning & groaning about it is another.

Grown-ups moaning about pioker? They need to get real.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Colchester Kev on June 27, 2005, 08:34:29 PM
Tikay, you are gonna experience the worst moaning and bitching you have ever seen out here, most of it from younger players, its a cancer creeping into the game.....i blame tv and hellmuth !!


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: snoopy1239 on June 27, 2005, 08:36:57 PM
It would be inappropriate for me to comment on the developments of this thread.
except maybe to say:

Before you criticise someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes... That way, when you criticise them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes ;)

I understand and appreciate what you are saying.

However, that doesn't defer from the question that first arose in this thread. 'What casino should I go to?'

My answer remains the same. Go to Walsall for your debut because, as a newbie, you may find various characters at the gala intimidating.

No offense to no1, and I hope none is taken.

Snoopy it seems that you may have taken my post the wrong way.

I can and will comment on the beginners poker scene etc
i cannot comment negatively about casino customers it is unethical

and please read the joke again for it is indeed a joke.

mile away... have their shoes... funny stuff! ;) ;) ;) ;) :D :o

Yes. Sorry. I misread the line. I'm giving a belated laugh now. Honest!  ;)  :D :P

Anyhow, I would like to say that, I get on with Taffy okay.

However, many don't. Cue unnecessary arguments. Cue newbies sinking into their seats. Cue newbies never returning. I know I wouldn't if it had been my first game on Thursday. The behaviour on my table was unacceptable and I felt sorry for the rookie on the table who had to witness all the pointless arguing.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: snoopy1239 on June 27, 2005, 08:39:47 PM
Luckily, I had friendly guys like Greek George and Little John on my first ever table. Players who made my debut fun and entertaining, rather than hostile and unconfortable.



Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Malc-M on June 27, 2005, 10:02:00 PM
Hi guys
Point taken re Taffy being intimidating to the newbies but I have found him to be pretty thoughtful about the game and suprisingly honest about the mistakes he makes bad calls etc....
Reliable dealer too!
All in all just a pussy cat!   LOL

Malc-M


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Longy on June 28, 2005, 12:39:07 AM
Despite Taffy certainly not being everyones cup of tea. I don't mind him and he has always been alright with me.In fact i don't mind being at his table cos you guarenteed a decent dealer who wants to deal. Often you feel at Notts the dealers are being forced into it cos no other sod wants to deal.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: tikay on June 28, 2005, 01:49:58 AM

He was good as gold tonight, moaned a bit, but he's Welsh, so I guess that's par.

But the incessant aqrguing was horrendous. At least half a dozen players told me they would never return.

Can't say I blame them.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Bongo on June 28, 2005, 01:54:37 AM
At least half a dozen players told me they would never return.

Can't say I blame them.

Were they regulars?

Is it over the new dealer payment rule?

It seemed to me that caused some disquiet on friday and that there had been a disagreement on thursday when someone didn't want to pay?


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: tikay on June 28, 2005, 01:56:46 AM
Were who regulars - the guys arguing, or the ones not coming back?


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Bongo on June 28, 2005, 02:02:53 AM
The ones not coming back.

I assumed the ones arguing would be regulars.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: tikay on June 28, 2005, 02:07:18 AM

A mixture. It really was awful. The Lunatics have taken over the asylum.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Longy on June 28, 2005, 02:12:46 AM
Hmm doesn't sound good. Im off holiday for a week so won't be there next week. Hopefully it will all calm down as this could really make what use to be an enjoyable place to play poker a bit of a no no in the future.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: redsimon on June 28, 2005, 09:10:36 AM

A mixture. It really was awful. The Lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Glad I missed it now, probably the hot weather not helping people with short fuses?

Whats the "new dealer payment" rule?


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: RED-DOG on June 28, 2005, 11:54:07 AM
I have to say I dont play Notts often because I find the constant bickering a strain, especially when people  use there turn to act as a chance to mouth off at someone, they seem more interested in the argument than the game, Its not as if they are arguing about anything in particular, just taking opposing sides for the sake of it.

I do hope that no one is offended by this post, It wasnt meant like that, I think Notts Gals has so much going for it, its a shame for a few individuals to spoil it for the majoriy


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Karabiner on June 28, 2005, 12:03:52 PM

A mixture. It really was awful. The Lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Banter on steroids ?

 :o


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Bongo on June 28, 2005, 12:17:52 PM
Whats the "new dealer payment" rule?

Casino can no longer acknowledge any payment to dealers so the players at the final table have to sort it out themselves.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: tikay on June 28, 2005, 01:15:41 PM
Thast's it, banter on steroids. But it was not banter, it was childish & petty arguments the whole night long. Thank goodness Kim Costa, a voice of reason & sanity, took control of the worst table & calmed things down.

Red Dog is right, who needs it?

I have well & truly nailed my colours to the Gala Notts mast, no getting away from that, but after a brief time away in the far friendlier & civilised environments of Luton, Walsall, Gutshot & Bergen, last night was like a slap in the face. I came home very down & depressed at how badly the situation had detoriated in Notts.

Why depressed? It's as easy as pi**ing to put it right, anyone could do it, but the hooligans & idiots were in full flow last night, & there were no admonishments for the offenders.

I wil continue to support Gala Notts as long as my conscience allows it - & no one man has supported them more in the media - but they need to get a grip.

Scenes we witnmessed last night would have resulted in immediate warnings or bans in Luton, Walsall & Blackpool, that's a given.

Even "de Dum-de-Doo-de-Dum-de-Doo I'll bet as much as it takes Sir" told them the answer. Take action against the troublemakers quickly, & the problem dissappears immediately!

Red-Dog openly says he dont regularly play there due to the arguments. 4 or 5 guys said last night they'd never return. How bad does it have to get before they take action ffs?

We were all given a warning before last night's comp - no shouting, no abusing players or dealers, perfect. And then it all went off.

Tough for poor Rob too, who was tearing his hair out last night, but he's the guy who's done so much to improve the place, so it must hurt him more than it hurts anyone.

Sort it, & everything will soon be cool again, & Gala Notts will return to being the place we were all so proud of.

Sorry Guys, but boils need bursting.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Karabiner on June 28, 2005, 02:03:29 PM
I suspect that the management would not support any bans due to anti-social behavour in the cardroom.

I mean other than GBH etc.

Hence the anarchy.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Junior Senior on June 28, 2005, 02:08:47 PM
IMO - if you don't care about my opinion then please don't read on.

I think Notts really need to look at what their strategy is for the way they approach poker in general. I know Rob wants to take it forward and have a fantastic card room that caters for card players and from my chats with the managers they really are taking on board feedback and looking and implementing improvements in the games on offer (and they do this proactively rather than me having to go to them - whcih is nice) but sadly what they have at the moment is a place for the action giving (roulette, blackjack etc) regulars to have a dabble at poker in a somewhat chaotic environment - and you will always get this with poker rooms located in casinos. We also need to remember that the casino is there to make money from those that enter through the doors and poker in a side room is not seen as a way to get money out of the punters pockets and into the casino coffers.

If the strategy was to focus more on poker and have a high qulaity poker room then they would already have:
1. House Dealers
2. No smoking
3. House dealt cash games at various levels of buy-in and format
4. Low tolerance of shouting regulars and tantrums (i.e imposed bans and deterrants)
5. Slower clocks
6. earlier starts
7. etc
8. etc

but because this is not the gutshot or a private 'cards only' poker room with a strict poker only focus; IT HASN'T - and we will have to make the most of it for now.

I for one thoroughly enjoy my games down at the gala and will continue to go as i appreciate there is a balance between what the moaning minnie poker player want and what the casino wants but I also do see the points of view being put forward and there is no doubt that improvements need to be made.... but you ask the tortoise "slow and steady wins the race" - you cant do it all at once! - slowly slowly catchy monkey!

i am sure given time things will improve and it will develop into more of a 'proper' card room rather than just an aside to the real action but it will be slow progress and it may be that gala decide that poker isn't top of the agenda and poker doesn't get top billing - so we will have to accept that business decision and find something that does suit our needs because as always it is the customers choice as to whether we want to attend or not. -

end of discourse. - thanks!



Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: snoopy1239 on June 28, 2005, 02:20:57 PM
Just a quick word on Rob.

I do have sympathy. He's got a really tricky job.

However, unlike some of his predecessors, he has taken pride in his role and appears eager to improve the Gala cardroom.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: tikay on June 28, 2005, 02:24:49 PM
Nice post Junior, & I agree with most of it.

I am on board with softly softly catchee monkee, except for what someone described as the "anarchy".
We can wait & we will see them gradually take on board all the things we'd like to see, & they are doing agreat job in working their way through the list, we are, after all, apretty demanding lot.

But the anarchy is a different bag altogether, & it can't wait.

And yes, a big up to Rob for his efforts. he's a top, top bloke. Our comments are designed to HELP him, not criticise him.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: RED-DOG on June 28, 2005, 02:31:12 PM
Just a quick word on Rob.

I do have sympathy. He's got a really tricky job.

However, unlike some of his predecessors, he has taken pride in his role and appears eager to improve the Gala cardroom.

Let me be the first to second that, when I played the 300 at Notts he was very busy but still found time to discuss the rules/structure/forthcoming events etc, he really is trying to move things forward


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: TightEnd on June 28, 2005, 03:25:50 PM
IMO - if you don't care about my opinion then please don't read on.


If the strategy was to focus more on poker and have a high qulaity poker room then they would already have:
1. House Dealers
2. No smoking
3. House dealt cash games at various levels of buy-in and format
4. Low tolerance of shouting regulars and tantrums (i.e imposed bans and deterrants)
5. Slower clocks
6. earlier starts
7. etc
8. etc

but because this is not the gutshot or a private 'cards only' poker room with a strict poker only focus; IT HASN'T - and we will have to make the most of it for now.


Every single Grosvenor I have been to offers this. Though very few of the Grosvenor card rooms make money for the parent, and they have their faults too

It doesn't have to be a private card club to produce it.


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Junior Senior on June 28, 2005, 03:30:57 PM
well said tightend - although methinks grosvenor been at it (poker that is) longer than gala. - we'll see - sure all of my points in the list will one day happen at notts


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: Nightfly on June 29, 2005, 04:17:25 PM
I have been racking my brains for a couple of days now thinking how best to respond to this thread with regard to the situation on Monday night.
I am on my days off now and this feels like i am forced to think about work.

I Cannot agree with the description of a state of anarchy. Yes there was a difficult situation on one of the tables. Yes there was shouting. Yes, I didn't handle the situation correctly (Maybe there was no easy solution, maybe action was taken (it was), maybe nobody informed me why they felt that they could never return. maybe maybe maybe.....)

What is lacking here is context and perspective. So i shall try my best to fill you in.

I am often referred to as a 'card-room manager' yet i do not have management status. I am one of three inspectors who supervise the cardroom competitions. I work extremely hard to improve things in the cardroom and try to respond positively to feedback and ideas. I also take a lot of pride in what has been achieved so far. I regularly read feedback on this forum, think about it and then try to implement changes which i believe will achieve these various ends. This very often uses a lot of my private time away from work.

If the net effect of my efforts is to drive people away then maybe i am better off spending this time with my partner and beautiful 3 month old daughter.

I am not trying to be provocative or difficult here, i have just been quite upset by some of the comments in this thread.

It would be an understatement to say that there is a problem with the 'dealer' situation in Nottingham:

Some players suggest: "You should stop so-and-so from dealing, because they blah blah blah"
Anyone who plays at nottingham knows that there are insufficient dealers at the start of a competition, often leading to delays.
OK so we prevent someone who is willing to deal from dealing. What then...? Who will deal in their place?
A very capable and willing dealer, is intimidating to new players. Do we stop him from dealing or do we manage the intimidation part?

I opened the comp on monday with a reminder to players and dealers about proper table etiquette. When questioned about penalties, I drew a blank.
Yes we need penalties for certain types of negative player behaviour. But I am part of a team, and i cannot create arbitrary penalties in isolation. Consistency dictates that we must devise an effective and fair set of sanctions for different types of disruptive or unwelcome behaviour.
And so we will.

Ignoring the isolated incident on Table 3, there was an improvement from some of the main culprits. As such it was worth making the announcement.

The incident on table 3 was very little to do with this and also difficult to manage for a variety of reasons. The Primary reason is something I cannot comment upon or even acknowledge.

In order to improve the 'honesty' of the shuffle and deal, Players were informed on Sunday night that ther would be a full chemmy shuffle, at least 3 riffles and the player on the button cuts. It was my omission to make sure that everyone knew this on monday. I was concentrating on a different aspect of player responsibility. The dealer has been spoken to on a number of occasions about shouting etc.

It is the nature of a random draw that you will occasionally get a mix of people on one table who simply cannot speak to each other in a civil manner.


The situation with dealers has become difficult for us to manage as a result of a forced change in the middle of Thursdays comp. I have had to bear the brunt of this change and have not found it easy. By Monday Night and three competitions of it, i was struggling, to say the least.

I am relatively in-experienced at running card-room competitions (slightly less than a year) and i cannot always cope with everything.


Improvements take time... and things are improving. Regardless of the amount of feedback we recieve we cannot change everything with the wave of a magic wand. I am trying my best (for the moment)

A very disillusioned nightfly







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Post by: RED-DOG on June 29, 2005, 04:44:59 PM
With the greatest respect Nightfly, the only comments I have seen on this forum about you and your efforts have been positive and encouraging

I don't see why you shoud feel disillusioned


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Post by: AdamM on June 29, 2005, 04:46:14 PM
He probably feels disillusioned because dispite being recognised for his efforts it doesnt seem to make any differance
It's a shame that Rob feels that he's on the receiving end of crtisism here. I for one appreciate the efforts He's making and the gradual stready progress being made should be recognised.

Perhaps we could all make an effort to make our critisism more constructive from now on, it's clearly pissing off the wrong person Imo


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Post by: Ironside on June 29, 2005, 04:47:59 PM
i have never been to the notts gala but from my time at blonde i have a good understanding of how well its liked and how much effort the staff are putting in. but this quoted from nightfly is proberly a huge reason why things are not improving rapidly

I am often referred to as a 'card-room manager' yet i do not have management status. I am one of three inspectors who supervise the cardroom competitions.


the notts gala doesnt think that the card room needs a manager IT DOES, one person in over all control overseeing the improvements and sitting in on management meetings. they need to promote one of the exisiiting 3 supervisors to management or hire in a new person over the heads of the supervisors.

a strong person that can fight the corner for the card room is needed


remember poker doesnt make the casino much money, but poker players filling a otherwise empty casino and leaking there money on the roulette and blackjack does.


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Post by: Junior Senior on June 29, 2005, 04:49:17 PM
seconded - thirded, fourthed etc.
it is the minority idiots that go in the place and shout and scream that cause the majority of the problems - they need to be weeded out and de-testicalised.!


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Post by: Bongo on June 29, 2005, 04:54:45 PM
Rob, Don't let the bastards get you down.



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Post by: Nightfly on June 29, 2005, 05:00:49 PM
With the greatest respect Nightfly, the only comments I have seen on this forum about you and your efforts have been positive and encouraging

I don't see why you shoud feel disillusioned

I know the first bit. and yes i do value all the positive stuff.

but but but

It was me who was running the competition on Monday. (sorry,It was I who was running the competition on Monday.

losing customers etc etc

that was me that was

situation not dealt with

that was me that was

disillusioned

that was me that was

I Bet you that I want house dealers more than all of you lot put together :-[


Title: Re: Which Casino Should I Go To
Post by: GiGi on June 29, 2005, 05:40:55 PM
nightfly, the fact is in every cardroom u get a minority that want to abuse as much as the rules as thay can, my advise to u need to set a corner stone and suspend one or two of the offenders ( if only for a short while ). and let that be a warning to every other that comes to ur cardroom, its happened in walsall recently and the others seem to be falling in line. although some quicker than others, no cardroom is perfect belive me i know.

u seem like a good guy and hav a ginuwine intrest for the game, so as u are a inspector that runs the room insist to the management that u want to sit in there meetings and creat a case of the cardroom to have its dealers, after all its an attendace driver that can creat alot to revenue

good luck with ur progress


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Post by: ifm on June 29, 2005, 10:25:23 PM
This may have been answered previously but how exactly do you sort dealers out?
I know, i know, i know i only ever talk about walsall but hey it's the only self dealing place i've been to................
They/we just get drawn out and if your 10/11 (depend how many per table) you deal. OR stand there and ask every player who sits down if they wanna deal and if not it's from the button (very rarely does noone deal)
Ian


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Post by: snoopy1239 on June 29, 2005, 10:57:24 PM
This may have been answered previously but how exactly do you sort dealers out?
I know, i know, i know i only ever talk about walsall but hey it's the only self dealing place i've been to................
They/we just get drawn out and if your 10/11 (depend how many per table) you deal. OR stand there and ask every player who sits down if they wanna deal and if not it's from the button (very rarely does noone deal)
Ian

Yes, but they tend to get paid to deal in notts.


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Post by: ifm on June 29, 2005, 11:05:50 PM
So how does this work?
Everyone who wants to deal puts their name on the board and first 10 (or whatever) get chosen???


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Post by: snoopy1239 on June 29, 2005, 11:25:52 PM
lol - they're not that organised.


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Post by: snoopy1239 on June 29, 2005, 11:27:01 PM
So how does this work?
Everyone who wants to deal puts their name on the board and first 10 (or whatever) get chosen???

Players volunteer to deal.

I think they get a free meal and a tip from the winners. Normally around 20 squid.


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Post by: anyonegotthisone on June 30, 2005, 08:38:38 AM
Hang on... non-house dealers get a free meal and a 20 tip from the winners of a competition?

Surely that's a gratuity in respect of gaming?

Surely that's a direct breach of the Prohibition of Gratuities Regulations?

In Walsall the non-house dealers get nowt but the eternal and undying love of their fellow players... not!


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Post by: BlueWolf on June 30, 2005, 12:38:17 PM
Yeah especially with the gaming board stamping down on tipping punters who deal now trouble could be looming


Hasanyonegotthis--- you dont happen to work at Walsall do you by any chance??? recognise the name


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Post by: Bongo on June 30, 2005, 01:02:20 PM
Question: What can the gaming board (and casino) do to stop it?

Answer: Nothing, they can just make sure the casino knows nothing about it.

That's the bottom line. The rules are unenforcable and therefore a joke.

What next, a law saying I can not spend my winnings on a celebratory beer?

edit: I would also like to add that i think these rules, designed to protect the average gamer, are actually doing the opposite and exposing them to more risk.

This is just my opinion though and i don't work in the gaming industry.


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Post by: snoopy1239 on June 30, 2005, 02:10:11 PM
Can't stop the winner giving his money to some1.


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And a warm blonde Hi to "hasanyonegotthisone".

Please see thread "what's in a name"!


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Post by: BlueWolf on June 30, 2005, 02:48:40 PM
I agree about the gaming boards new cardroom directives they just make a joke of things, although it did help with a few problems we have in blackpool in regards to self dealt cashgames, but the new "all games must be played to a conclusion" hasnt really made a blind bit of difference.

The cash game idea (where you have to be playing in order to deal) isnt so bad but soem players dont seem to realise its not the casino's rule, its something imposed on us by the wonderful gaming board and they are intent on stamping down on it so we have to enforce it properly thus incurring much aggro from petty individuals who THINK they have found ways they can exploit it which we dont know about


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Post by: Bongo on June 30, 2005, 02:52:31 PM
The cash game idea (where you have to be playing in order to deal)

What is this meant to achieve/stop?

I can't see it stopping a bent dealer from cheating, and can't think of other things it would be favourable to stop (in relation to dealing in cash games).


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Post by: Karabiner on June 30, 2005, 04:48:10 PM
I would imagine that the idea is that each player deals in turn.

As opposed to one "player" dealing all the time.


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Post by: Ironside on June 30, 2005, 04:52:32 PM
haveing only played in 1 "self dealt" tourny in my life (sunday in walsall) i have a question which dealers get paid the 20 and the free meal what happens when you knock em out, i know in walsall the person who knocks out the dealer became the dealer obviously this would lead to alot of extra 20s and meals



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Post by: Bongo on June 30, 2005, 04:55:53 PM
Dealers usually deal until the table is broken up at notts.


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haveing only played in 1 "self dealt" tourny in my life (sunday in walsall) i have a question which dealers get paid the 20 and the free meal what happens when you knock em out, i know in walsall the person who knocks out the dealer became the dealer obviously this would lead to alot of extra 20s and meals



They carry on dealing.


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Post by: Ironside on June 30, 2005, 05:28:20 PM
must be a bit of a bummer being dealer on the last table to break espically if your first out after the rebuys


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It's ideal for Bubble Specislists though.......

Thought you was only in for 90 seconds at Walsall Ironside?


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12 seconds less than Ariston.


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i made the final table and the moneyt of the rebuy comp

something to do with lack of sleep and being unable to move my chips into the pot




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Post by: redsimon on July 01, 2005, 09:44:53 AM
Went to Notts last night. Good crowd on my table, even the 50 D/C cash was fun, not much moaning (I won exactly 2 in 2 hours!).

Looks like management are taking a tougher (and better) stance on abusive behaviour as one player on the final table threw a wobbly and ended up being suspended and anted away. Maybe he'll think twice before abusing the staff next time?


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Post by: tikay on July 01, 2005, 10:21:25 AM
They suspended a player for disciplinary reasons? - magic! Well DONE Gala. All that grief was worthwhile.

Standards & behaviour will now improve rapido.

Way to Go, Gala!


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Post by: GiGi on July 01, 2005, 12:14:24 PM
well done gala hope my recent comments helped, although with the player being disqualified and suspended, the chips should have been removed from the table as he or she was removed from the comp


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Speaking of Notts, anyone playing tonight?

I'm very tempted.


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Post by: tikay on July 01, 2005, 12:43:27 PM
Thast's an interesting point Gigi.

You suggest removing the players chips as soon as he is suspended? Guess there would be two views on that, depending on how many chips he had.

I suppose it stops what would be an unseemly scramble to steal his blinds.

But I am so proud that Gala took that big step. They needed to do it, they did it. Top Marks!


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Post by: Karabiner on July 01, 2005, 01:22:25 PM
It sounded to me as though the player was just suspended for a period of time rather than disqualified.

And he was anted/blinded away before his penalty time had elapsed.

Either way, a line in the sand has now been drawn. Bravo !


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Post by: tikay on July 01, 2005, 01:49:34 PM
Bravo indeed. I'm delighted, & I'm proud they made a stand. And no, I ain't got a clue who got suspended, or what they did. It don't matter either. An example had to be made, & it was.


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Post by: snoopy1239 on July 01, 2005, 02:01:20 PM
Says a lot that we don't know who it was. Could be one of many.

But well done Rob for putting your foot down. Hope people take note.


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Post by: tikay on July 01, 2005, 02:11:25 PM
Well I do know who it was now, but as I said before, that's irrevelant. What IS relevant is that they took action. Big up to Rob & Gala.


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Post by: AdamM on July 01, 2005, 04:18:16 PM
irrelivant but still interesting, could someone from Nottingham PM me a few details


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Post by: GiGi on July 01, 2005, 05:53:09 PM
tikay

well if he or she was just suspended the for a period of time  the chips should remain on the table and their blinds should go in, if the chips were to remain after the player is disqualifed its far easier of the two players to his or her right to steal the blinds. for example if everyone passes and the player is on the big blind the small blind would get a free big blind. its also easier for the button man to steal the blinds if their is one player to act instead of two. puting them at an advantage. thats one reason why thay should come off the table


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Post by: Bongo on July 01, 2005, 06:01:00 PM
What happens to the prize if someone is DQ?


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Post by: tikay on July 01, 2005, 06:20:49 PM
Gigi,

That all makes sense. Let's hope it does not have to be used - but that if it is, it is. If that makes sense.


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Post by: GiGi on July 01, 2005, 06:32:57 PM
its down to the decretion of the c/r manager, the reasons for a player being DQ