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Multi-Table Tournament
Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
MTT Table 2 6959696-70 Holdem No Limit 50/100
[Feb 2 22:54:35] : Hand Start.
[Feb 2 22:54:35] : Seat 1 : 50 outs has $4,400
[Feb 2 22:54:35] : Seat 2 : amcgrath1uk has $3,370
[Feb 2 22:54:35] : Seat 4 : Flush Royal has $3,365
[Feb 2 22:54:35] : Seat 5 : BOND--007 has $1,870
[Feb 2 22:54:35] : Seat 6 : xpressman has $2,065
[Feb 2 22:54:35] : BOND--007 is the dealer.
[Feb 2 22:54:35] : xpressman posted small blind.
[Feb 2 22:54:35] : 50 outs posted big blind.
[Feb 2 22:54:35] : Game [70] started with 5 players.
[Feb 2 22:54:35] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Feb 2 22:54:35] : Seat 4 : Flush Royal has Qh Qs
[Feb 2 22:54:38] : amcgrath1uk folded.
[Feb 2 22:54:41] : Flush Royal called 100 and raised 200
[Feb 2 22:54:41] : BOND--007 folded.
[Feb 2 22:54:47] : xpressman called 250 and raised 800
[Feb 2 22:54:56] : 50 outs called 1,000


xpressman is a mystery, 50 outs is a decent player. Your image is as a bit of a raising maching, in the last 15 hands u have raised about 8. Whats the next action?

All-in.

Fold

well we all know what you did....You Called, so what was the verdict ?

Patience!

calling is the worst option here you need to push or fold

its very likely that a push would get you HU so i would be more likely to fold here

WTF are you doing raising only 200 ??????  Did you do this looking for a raise behind you so you could re raise??

And yes its a fold for me

I can understand raising this small amount from LP, looking for the button to resteal or one of the blinds to think his ace high or KQ is good enought to reraise and force you out.

The way the hand plays out, you gotta be very afraid of 50 outs, the flat call looks and smells like a monster.

I'm more scared of the flat-call than the reraise.

I think you should fold while you only have 200 invested. Against decent players, you're either in a coinflip or way behind.

Flushy clearly put in 300 chips. Some of you lot need lessons in reading Hand Histories  :blonde:

I actually said "raise 200" . I have read the hand history

Personally I think i would drop the ladies. You might be ahead at this point but 50 Outs is a good player and I rekkon he has a hand at the very least.

So you might be behind or against an AK with one of em...and possibly two.

Better opportunities to take more money with a worse starting hand later I think.

3 times the blind was/is a standard raise.

As it was i fancied that 50 outs had a big hand, but given i had played a lot of the previous hands i thought he may well flat call with a hand like TT expecting me to fold, if i then move in he can pass and save 2200 chips. Also if i called and hit my Q i would get the pot and xpressman's stack aswell as a full double of outs. 2500+965+3065=6530 so i had to call 800 to collect 6530!

[Feb 2 22:55:07] : Flush Royal called 800
[Feb 2 22:55:07] : Dealing flop.
[Feb 2 22:55:07] : Board cards [2c Jc 5s]
[Feb 2 22:55:13] : xpressman bet 965 and is All-in
[Feb 2 22:55:20] : 50 outs called 965

So he did. This must be one of those places online that string raises. 'I call. And I raise.' What rubbish.

you have to play the hand as though you have the best hand now. Theres 3300 + 895 + 895 = 5095 by the time it comes to you.

Obviously the shortstack has committed himself preflop so you can assume his bet has nothing to do with the texture of the flop. 50 outs flat call is interesting. I would put his range on 99-AA.

AK unlikley as he is more likely to have reraised allin out of position preflop. 99 TT possible and he is flat calling wary of the overcard and you behind yet to act.  JJ v possible as he flat calls not wanting to lose you. QQ unlikely as you have it but possible. KK i would think he now raises allin. AA possible.

So against his range, with the amount in the pot, u play.

You have a choice. Reraise allin  or flat call and push the turn. Reraise allin. By the time you call the 935 u have only another 1200 back anyway. You may be behind, may be ahead but since you are committed to the pot, you have to charge inferior hands to draw now. If you flat call and he is ahead you will be put in on the turn.

The pot is big enough to commit to and you'll have trouble folding it on later streets so ship yer chips in and let 50 outs call with his set/ AA 99 or TT..

I think these decisions follow on almsot automatically from the preflop call. I think it's the wrong move to call with QQ preflop. Either reraise or pass.

Hmmm, since I'm a lone voice for going all-in here. I'll try and explain, I've got 50 outs on JJ and xpressman on AK. The half chips preflop and half post flops stinks like AK to me, this means it's less likely that 50 outs has AA or KK but still possible, I think he flat calls here to see the flop and work out what to do next. Surely, you'd re-raise with AA or KK here preflop?

having played 50 outs a fair bit i'd say AK suited here preflop was possible, post flop AK of clubs? or JJ

At this point i had his range so narrow that i was 95% sure he had AA and 99% sure i was behind.

[Feb 2 22:55:25] : Flush Royal : AA mr outs?
[Feb 2 22:55:29] : Flush Royal folded.
[Feb 2 22:55:29] : Showdown!
[Feb 2 22:55:31] : Seat 1 : 50 outs has Ac Ah
[Feb 2 22:55:31] : Seat 6 : xpressman has 7d 7h
[Feb 2 22:55:37] : Board cards [2c Jc 5s Ks 9d]
[Feb 2 22:55:37] : xpressman has Pair: 7s
[Feb 2 22:55:37] : 50 outs has Pair: Aces
[Feb 2 22:55:37] : 50 outs wins 5,230 with Pair: Aces
[Feb 2 22:55:41] : BOND--007 : lol
[Feb 2 22:55:47] : Hand is over.

I don't make a habbit of folding QQ on J hi boards! It kept me in the game long enough to get outdrawn a couple of times on the final and to bubble!

you've got no more info than prefllop!

but u fold now...

.....u always planned on folding a non-Q flop?

Fold preflop then!

This smells fishier than the alleyway next to my old house where my local chippie used to chuck their rotten fish.

I don't think you can reasonably be this specific when putting your opponents on hands, especially based on just preflop action. You're better off considering what range of hands your opponent could have, because very few people are predictable enough to give away exactly what they are holding.

I know xpressman, he's a Luton regular...estate agent from North London who runs a business called PropertyXpress...geddit!

Not that it helps now, but he's a any pair/Ace rag merchant.

Pleased to be of assistance

Hello Ian, welcome to Blonde!  rotflmfao ;hide; rotflmfao ;hide; rotflmfao

After reading that Tight end reckons im a Ace/ Rag, any pair merchant, i would like to thank him for his wonderful observations!!, and its so nice that he finds it in himself to discuss my personal business on the Blonde forum,i suppose i should thank you for the free advertising but im afraid that at this moment of time i should refrain from that !!

I would like to point out that i had previous to this hand been badly outdrawn and lost a stack of my chips, i decided to make a move with my pair of sevens however the flop came. I was fortunate enough to have to under cards on the flop with the jack , so if someone had the jack or a over pair good luck to them!!

 It was not The World Series and only a small tourny, yet Tight End must butt in to slag my past play  , well thank you for your comments Tight End, i have only been playing the game a couple of years and still got a lot to learn and iron out bad play from my game,but if you were a so called authority on the game i can see why you would find it in yourself to belittle someone online, well you are not a authority just a man by seeing how many posts you submit who has to butt in a make a disrespectful remarks about me for no good reason, well if thats what turns you on just keep me out of it , i dont discuss you on here so dont talk about me !!

Sorry if i offended anyone with these remarks, but i just felt i needed to make a response.

Im pleased to report that i made 7 Final Tables Since December in small live tornys, and a few online, I must have ironed out those bad habits of calling any rag/ace, and going all in with any pair ,or maybe not ?????

I enjoyed my visit, ty for listening, Xpressman

 

Whoops.

Ian, you know me better than that. I apologise that my attempt at humour seems to have backfired. I was attempting to make a joke based on the fact I knew you and your opponents didn't. Of course you don't overdo Ace rag or any pair. I apologise again.

 :hello: ;welcome; ;hide; ;hide; an unfortunate 1st experience of blonde poker for you ian...

I hope you can accept T.E's apology. This forum's mostly constructive and always has an'edge' of humour. T.E's comments i'm sure, where not serious, infact there's numerous other threads where he berates the abuse of other players, thus i hope you can find your future time on blode as rewarding and as usefull as i do.

All the best, Matt.

Going to do a Greekstein sorry.

Some commmm replies in here.

Norrr i went mad with a Q and a Q pre flop, then tried to justify it!

gr8 game tighty.

Tightend, please refrain from offending people on the blondepoker forum or else I'll be sending you another pm very soon.

Xpressman - do stay with us on blonde. It's a wonderful place and I for one think both your business and your poker play are excellent.

Thanks,

Is this when the forum started to go down hill? Tighty abusing newbies on pha?

Oh this is so priceless. I can see many bumps whenever one of us gets shouted at in future.

lol, can we have a seperate board for these bumps then because theyre too good to just stop.

Sigh.

No more bumps please.


Especially if they are me trying "humour" in the original post

fyp

I'm loving these threads. I think/hope that i'm learning something. All good stuff. This is my first post, so please dont abuse me too much.
                           ATB-Rage.

welcome to blonde rage

let us know when you're ready for abuse

until then  ;welcome;

Thanks for the warm welcome. It's really appreciated.  :)

Welcome. stay clear of Tighty...he's mean.