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Somehow these things always seem worse when we have visited the location, or are familiar with it.

 

On Bastille day too. Like hitting turkey during the Muslim holidays. Beyond contempt to target sacred days. Really hope it wasn't terrorism as its getting to the point where you don't want to be near a crowd

If we change our behaviour, they've won.

I spend my life on trains planes and tubes. I very rarely feel uneasy. I did think they had floors though like New year and Christmas which must be plum targets but it makes you wonder. Personally for me Bastille day means a lot, it's my birthday and I always have light hearted conversations with French friends about that. Having that day marred hits home a little more for me selfishly I admit

Looks very likely it was terrorism and reporting 73 dead. It really is horrific & what makes it more awful is that most of these will be young people just out there wanting to enjoy themselves.

ETA, IRA, Hamas, Hizbollah, Bader-Meinhoff, Red Brigade, Tamil Tigers. All had a specific aim. None achieved their aim, but it underpinned their violence.

These fuckers haven't. The world is not going to implement Sharia Law. They know this.

And they are not going negoiate.

They are goading the USA and its allies into a ground war that will be impossible to win. And this will be the best recruiting tool ISIS could ever have.

I'm afraid I cannot see any possible solution to this.

It almost seems like the waited till after Euro 2016 to lull people into a false sense of security. Bastards.

Shocking shocking news.

Please let it end.

It's more that security would be dialled down after the Euros - if they'd tried to do this at a game or a fanzone they wouldn't have been able to get anywhere near.

Yeah that's roughly what I meant, soft target basically.

10 children killed so far. The saddest thing is how fucking routine this is all becoming, it's Europe's version of mass school shootings.

The thing is there's nothing that can be done to stop something like this in future - what are they going to do, ban Muslims from driving trucks?

It would require no planning so couldn't be stopped through intelligence.

Starting to look like it wasn't a terrorist attack.

Perpetrator was on medicine for mental problems. Although he was Muslim he never went to the mosque, he took drugs and ate pork.

This really has been upsetting to read some details. Seen the pictures of the victims and so many young lives lost. The victims who was son and father, very very sad

Islamic State has just claimed it carried out the Nice truck attack in statement carried by its media outlet

As Camel said earlier, the more you hear, the more you think this wasn't a targeted terrorist attack. I have, for some stupid reason, watched numerous videos of the incident. The video everyone has seen on Twitter, the videos of panic, but also I came across a video (front on view) of the truck ploughing people over. It's is absolutely horrific and as the realisation sets in to the person recording it, you can see a very young lad on the left who must have been killed, then on the right of the video a guy who's not aware, who looks like he had little chance. Truly horrifying.

But just before that, the truck seems to be "in within a crowd", similar to a vehicle in a football crowd really. Then suddenly it speeds up.

Some coverage has said the driver got out of the car and looked "confused" and all weapons was fake. I suspect if IS has planned this, he would have real weapons. The coverage said no previous would suggest this, when these things happen there is always a link. House search completed and nothing about IS.

I think this potentially may not be a terrorist attack.

So would it be 'mass murder' or does something this big become 'domestic terrorism'?

Are you suggesting it's not terrorism because the perpetrator wasn't from ISIS, Al-qaeda etc.?

Can one person acting on their own be a terrorist or do they have to be acting in the name of a cause?

They just have to have a political reason/motive for the act of terror. Anders Breivik was a terrorist, he acted alone.

I think it's getting to a point now where any terrorist attack/mass murder committed by a nutjob is being claimed by ISIS.

Don't get me wrong it may well be ISIS but this guy had fake weapons, not a practicing muslim, no link to ISIS with the police search at his home.

85 civilians dead in Syria after a US air strike "mistake".

Some talk in this thread about 'lack of possible solutions' and 'recruitment tools' for ISIS. Well i have an idea which could help solve the terrorism issue.

We start leaving the Middle East the fuck alone for once.

In my opinion our own imperialism has had a massive contribution to terrorism. For example most people quietly accept now that 9/11 was either planned or allowed to happen. Chilcot proved there was no legitimate reason to go into Iraq. There are tons of countries around the world with horrific human rights abuses but we're not freeing them, we're funding and arming rebel groups in oil-rich Syria then acting surprised when a group with a sick and twisted ideology finds conditions to gain power.

How easy will it be to radicalise the people affected by the 85 new deaths we've had in Syria? They know who is responsible. And this is just one event in thousands of similar ones.

If we want to fight terrorism most importantly we need to stop the witch hunt against Islam as a whole, we all rub shoulders with literally millions of Muslims everyday in the UK and terrorist incidents are essentially non-existent. That should tell you something. All we're doing by even referring to terrorists as 'Islamists' is alienating people, creating barriers and legitimising hatred which makes matters a hell of a lot worse on both sides. The vast majority of Muslims are abhorred by terrorism, but if you start pushing these people away this is obviously what ISIS want.

Instead I think we should start shouldering some responsibility for the actions of our governments and start lobbying for long-term policy change.

It might help. But obviously i'm not optimistic.

It's really sad that we're all put on earth with a life expectancy of less than 100 years yet we find all these ways to fuck eachother up. :(

^^^ excellent post, you'll probably be considered a nut job now you don't want to just blow a massive hole in the middle east.