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Interested to see what people would do here and why

Deep £1/1 game.

We are in the straddle, start the hand with £450 and are covered in both spots.

Villain 1 is MP and basically throwing chips around on tilt

Villain 2 is OTB and don't have much info on him.

[Pre-Flop] Ad Qd
V1 raises £12, V2 calls, blinds fold, we call

[Flop - £38] Qh 8c 7d
We check, V1 bets £25, V2 calls, we call.

[Turn - £113] Qh 8c 7d Ahrt
We check, V1 bets £50, V2 calls, we call

[River - £263] Qh 8c 7d Ahrt Th
We check, V1 bets £100, V2 calls, we fold

If first guy is chucking chips in what are reasons for flagging not 2 betting.

Think I'm calling river as described. V2 could be caking worse

I was gonna correct auto correct but response seems better with mistakes

I'd be happily raising turn for value

As played river fold looks good

assuming V2 knows V1 is very wide then I think you have to call* given the price you're getting

*I'm a massive station

3betting pre seems like a must

Would be raising turn with the intention of trying to get all the money in at some point

As played on river i'm definitely calling off. Price is good, villain's bet sizing is weak, we have top two. Lots of worse hands he can be value betting here or just plain doing something silly.

3bet pre for value.
If we get to the flop, raise it for value
If we get to the turn raise it for value
Once were at the river we absolutely must call. Better should never have us beat and the second guy has so much stuff we best. Aj bdfd, atbdfd, 87, q8s, a7s, a8s etc

Thanks for the responses.

My reasons for not raising were simply to let V1 barrel off. In a vacuum I think raising 3b pre, raise flop and raise turn are all viable. In this case I prefer raising turn as our hand on paper has just improved massively, although not sure what I would do on K, J or T turns.

My reason for folding river was that V2 simply must have something to have called all 3, and should in theory be close to the top of his range as he is not closing the action and not much has really changed so is probably expecting us to call behind. I appreciate he can have some worse although I don't think I include AJ, and if he has some ATbdfd and Q8s then he can presumably have 98/97 hh which he might not raise. He can also be flatting here with 88, 77, 96 and J9.

It was ultimately some live stuff that made me fold the river, although not saying whether I was right or not. Think I just wanted to see how close people thought raising turn was. Not that close apparently ;)

perfect spot to squeeze given your description of V1, with said description flop or turn is probably a raise. as played you can't fold river getting such good odds when you're almost always ahead of V2