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Title: River size, weird spot, feels like a bet but nothing worse should call. Post by: rfgqqabc on September 26, 2016, 09:12:14 PM PokerStars Hand #159080286702: Tournament #1671685046, $50+$50+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (20/40) - 2016/09/25 19:38:26 CET [2016/09/25 13:38:26 ET]
Table '1671685046 96' 9-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: tiarc (4910 in chips) Seat 2: kingroler (4895 in chips) Seat 3: tnxcomeagain (7829 in chips) Seat 4: MaciekWa-Wa (4805 in chips) Seat 5: yhsimplicio (5195 in chips) Seat 6: RozTheRipper (4900 in chips) Seat 7: Demonic16 (4845 in chips) Seat 8: arthuzinho (3500 in chips) Seat 9: shiftytaylor (4146 in chips) tiarc: posts the ante 6 kingroler: posts the ante 6 tnxcomeagain: posts the ante 6 MaciekWa-Wa: posts the ante 6 yhsimplicio: posts the ante 6 RozTheRipper: posts the ante 6 Demonic16: posts the ante 6 arthuzinho: posts the ante 6 shiftytaylor: posts the ante 6 tnxcomeagain: posts small blind 20 MaciekWa-Wa: posts big blind 40 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Demonic16 [As Ah] yhsimplicio: folds RozTheRipper: raises 80 to 120 Demonic16: calls 120 arthuzinho: folds shiftytaylor: folds tiarc: folds kingroler: folds tnxcomeagain: calls 100 MaciekWa-Wa: calls 80 *** FLOP *** [Jh 2h 4h] tnxcomeagain: checks MaciekWa-Wa: checks RozTheRipper: bets 202 Demonic16: calls 202 tnxcomeagain: calls 202 MaciekWa-Wa: folds *** TURN *** [Jh 2h 4h] [4s] tnxcomeagain: checks RozTheRipper: checks Demonic16: bets 706 tnxcomeagain: calls 706 RozTheRipper: folds *** RIVER *** [Jh 2h 4h 4s] [Tc] tnxcomeagain: checks My bluffs want to bet very big and my value range is somewhat narrow, I don't think we can bet much worse than this for value, particularly if we do not have the heart ourselves as we can potentially get bluffed. We also only have 3 combos of the nuts here, and if our opponent has a jack then we are down to one, meaning he could in theory pile pretty wide. Opponent is a reg, winning 350k but if you take out his two biggeest scores he isn't up much. Bit of a battler too, we have no real reads. Peak time sunday from yesterday which might factor in. We get way more sloppy calls compared to one tabling deep on. Title: Re: River size, weird spot, feels like a bet but nothing worse should call. Post by: rfgqqabc on September 27, 2016, 04:38:35 AM I don't really play bounties, but is it not difficult to bluff these spots with your bounty as an incentive? I appreciate you are not going to put your bounty on the line, but should a bluff be picked off it leaves u alot shorter - and fodder in future hands to people going after your bounty. I feel I'd wanna check back but I could be so far wrong!! Query with bounty - how come u peel pre? With him covering u could a 3b not induce a lighter call or a 4b in an attempt to get your bounty? *as I say, huge disclaimer as I generally swerve bounties although everyones telling me to jump in on the action. I think when you are so deep the bounty plays much less of a part. Simply, it is just harder to get all in. I didn't 3bet although this guy is a snuggish reg just because I don't think I have many "bluffs" (maybe only AJo i think) vs a competent player. If the opener was a weaker player I would just 3bet for value. The later he opens the more likely I am to 3bet, just because both my value and bluffing ranges will be wider, but here they are very narrow. I think a lot of what you said about the bounty aspect is absolutely correct too. I feel like the mistake in the hand potentially came earlier, although I can't quite pinpoint where as raising the flop seems a bit meh and some of the hands that I would normally have as bluffs don't really want to fire when the pot is 3 way, bet/folding a hand like AcKh seems like a disaster so I perhaps would just check and realise the equity we have. I have a feeling most regs would just say to stop overthinking it and just bet something, but its interesting to think about imo, particularly with what was shown down. I think his range is quite polarised but generally pretty weak, which is why it feels like a bet, lots of the better hands should probably raise before somewhere. Title: Re: River size, weird spot, feels like a bet but nothing worse should call. Post by: WotRTheChances on September 27, 2016, 03:21:54 PM I'd 3bet pre in a bounty. Sure bounties are way less likely this deep, but I don't think a lot of people actually think about how unlikely they are to get it this deep.
As played i'm just betting 12-1400 otr, expecting to get some Jx JT QQ-KK calls. Only really losing to ThTx and theoretically should have a bunch of bluffs and a narrow value range, although in practice I don't think people bluff this spot much at all. Agree wouldn't bet anything worse Title: Re: River size, weird spot, feels like a bet but nothing worse should call. Post by: pleno1 on September 27, 2016, 04:39:38 PM Sb will have a lot of flushes here, definitely not just beat by TR. he plays 87hh the same way almost always.
Title: Re: River size, weird spot, feels like a bet but nothing worse should call. Post by: youthnkzR on September 28, 2016, 12:25:37 AM Id check and be happy about it
Title: Re: River size, weird spot, feels like a bet but nothing worse should call. Post by: WotRTheChances on September 28, 2016, 01:08:56 AM Sorry thought we were against the OR on the river. Yeah he'll have way more flushes than the hands i thought OR would. Check seems good
Title: Re: River size, weird spot, feels like a bet but nothing worse should call. Post by: Pinchop73 on September 29, 2016, 05:43:24 PM When I first looked at this I was like meh check.
But now I've looked at it a bit more I'd like to b/f like 70%, I think we get enough calls from his JxQh JxKh, AJs/AJo and all his JTs/JTo combos, he could turn up with the occasional KhKx and QhQx too. Not only does having Ah limit his bluffing range on the river, it vastly increases ours. |