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Title: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: Tal on November 15, 2016, 10:27:43 PM
While watching the Seattle Seahawks get another incredible game-deciding decision go their way last weekend, it struck me that every sport has a few "one rule for one, another for everyone else" clichés.

It inevitably varies depending on who you ask and these are almost all either recency bias, confirmation bias or plain nonsense. But see Shane Watson get an lbw decision and turn to the bloke next to you, he'll probably beat you to it and say "He'll be reviewing that!"

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VMo3I82K4Ag/UelPGeJD31I/AAAAAAAAA5I/i8zJf6qlvtE/s1600/Shane+Watson+DRS+Review+1.jpg)

If Sir Alex wanted an extra three minutes, as sure as eggs is eggs, he'd seem to get them.

(http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/multimedia/dynamic/00343/STN121801FERGIE_343695k.jpg)

Djokovic is losing and the crowd are cheering on Andy Murray. What's that? Novak calls for the trainer? Well I never...

(http://novakdjokovic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/saopstenje.jpg)

Matchroom fight underdog you say? Good luck getting the decision.

(http://thaboxingvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Eddie-Hearn-pa_2679175.jpg)

Some are for all teams and are just unwritten rules of sport:

1. All players who commit a foul must look horrified or furious
2. Every big tackle or hit must draw demands for a sending off from opposition fans and shouts of "It's a man's game. Get on with it" from the supporters.
3. It's not a foul unless the ref sees it
4. Punching each other is fine as long as it's two of you going toe to toe. The exception is football, where even the thought of contact should send you reeling in agony.
5. Never write off the Germans.


Any more for any more?


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: TightEnd on November 15, 2016, 10:33:29 PM
the chicago bears are behind, but fighting to get back into the game

Oh look, a Jay Cutler interception followed by the bottom lip coming out

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that sort of thing?


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: bobby1 on November 15, 2016, 10:37:59 PM
You missed the biggest one bud. In Green Bay the refs allow any Packers player that scores a TD to jump into the crowd and stay there until he decides he has had enough pats in the head/beer dropped on him/ hugs. The officials and visiting team just have to hang around until this ritual known as the 'Lambeau leap' has finished before the game can restart. Given penalties are given for  delaying the game, celebrating too hard and group celebrations everywhere else in the league it is quite ridiculous that they don't apply to Green Bay players that score TD's at Lambeau.


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: Tal on November 15, 2016, 10:38:03 PM
Exactly that sort of thing.

All golf drives - including in 500 yard par fives - must be joined by a chorus of

"GET IN THE HOLE!"


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: TightEnd on November 15, 2016, 10:40:24 PM
You missed the biggest one bud. In Green Bay the refs allow any Packers player that scores a TD to jump into the crowd and stay there until he decides he has had enough pats in the head/beer dropped on him/ hugs. The officials and visiting team just have to hang around until this ritual known as the 'Lambeau leap' has finished before the game can restart. Given penalties are given for  delaying the game, celebrating too hard and group celebrations everywhere else in the league it is quite ridiculous that they don't apply to Green Bay players that score TD's at Lambeau.

Bullseye. A great example.


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: TightEnd on November 15, 2016, 10:50:26 PM
The year is 2054 and 65 year old Theo Walcott is playing right wing for England.

Clive Tyldesley tells us what great potential he has

Glenn Hoddle "that's right Clive"

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Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: rinswun on November 15, 2016, 10:55:42 PM
Whenever Bubba Watson misses a putt, it's Ted Scott's fault

(http://www.bunkered.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/581c96bfc2208632442374.gif)


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: DaveShoelace on November 15, 2016, 11:05:34 PM
Whenever a boxer gets hit flush on the chin and then smiles, as if to say it didn't hurt, it means it really fucking hurt.


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: baldock92 on November 16, 2016, 12:02:15 AM
Whenever a football player misses an absolute sitter, all those watching must exclaim "My Nan could have scored that!"


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: TightEnd on November 16, 2016, 12:04:24 AM
Christine Michael is waived by the Seahawks

Signs for team A on Wednesday

Waived and then signs for team B on Thursday

waived and starting RB for the Seahawks again by Monday

repeat and rinse


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: atdc21 on November 16, 2016, 08:57:09 AM
Poker players.
When calling a bet on the river with 4 to a straight and/or flush showing , and they show the nuts...
always say 'knew you had it'.........sometimes followed by'either that or air'


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: DungBeetle on November 16, 2016, 09:23:07 AM
Watford are able to change manager every few months and still develop season on season.


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: TightEnd on November 16, 2016, 10:01:02 AM
"I just wanted to get to Blackpool"

"Blackpool is a special place"

every contestant on SCD, ever despite the place being a throwback to 1956


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: RickBFA on November 16, 2016, 10:47:42 AM
"I just wanted to get to Blackpool"

"Blackpool is a special place"

every contestant on SCD, ever despite the place being a throwback to 1956

Interesting fact about Blackpool, it is now the place in the UK with the lowest life expectancy. Anyway, back to the thread.


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: Ironside on November 16, 2016, 12:49:33 PM
"I just wanted to get to Blackpool"

"Blackpool is a special place"

every contestant on SCD, ever despite the place being a throwback to 1956

Interesting fact about Blackpool, it is now the place in the UK with the lowest life expectancy. Anyway, back to the thread.

thats cause its full of Glaswegians


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: RickBFA on November 16, 2016, 12:54:23 PM
"I just wanted to get to Blackpool"

"Blackpool is a special place"

every contestant on SCD, ever despite the place being a throwback to 1956

Interesting fact about Blackpool, it is now the place in the UK with the lowest life expectancy. Anyway, back to the thread.

thats cause its full of Glaswegians

 :D

Used to be east end of Glasgow I think. Must be going up in the world.


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: moustache on November 16, 2016, 03:38:11 PM
NBA

A team's star player can't be called for a travel, even if they take 7 steps


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: Tal on November 16, 2016, 07:03:34 PM
Commentators must use one or more of the following phrases during boring and uneventful passages of play:

- An intense period
- Neither side willing to give an inch
- The irresistible force versus the immovable object
- No risks being taken by either team
- There's a real chess match going on here


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: Tal on November 16, 2016, 07:05:20 PM
The tallest player must at some point be described as "The big man".


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: Karabiner on November 16, 2016, 07:43:02 PM
That "get in the hole" thing only happens in America I'll have you know or by uncouth visiting Shermans.


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: Woodsey on November 16, 2016, 08:15:17 PM
The phrase 'He has a lot of gas' should only be used to describe fast players in rugby 7's


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: MintTrav on November 16, 2016, 08:19:40 PM
In every World Cup Finals, there will be one South American team that plays incredible football and everyone will say that they could go all the way.

Eventually Colombia/Ecuador/Chile/Uruguay will be eliminated very unluckily in the quarter or semi-final and get to watch Brazil or Argentina in the final.
 


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: The Camel on November 16, 2016, 08:33:35 PM
You missed the biggest one bud. In Green Bay the refs allow any Packers player that scores a TD to jump into the crowd and stay there until he decides he has had enough pats in the head/beer dropped on him/ hugs. The officials and visiting team just have to hang around until this ritual known as the 'Lambeau leap' has finished before the game can restart. Given penalties are given for  delaying the game, celebrating too hard and group celebrations everywhere else in the league it is quite ridiculous that they don't apply to Green Bay players that score TD's at Lambeau.

I believe the "Lambeau Leap" is grandfathered into the rules. Because it was so popular before the excessive celebration rule came into being the NFL allows it.

Sort of like I'm told Little Darlings in Las Vegas is allowed to have dancers go totally naked, but all other strip clubs are topless only.


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: The Camel on November 16, 2016, 08:36:15 PM
The grandfather clause

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_clause#Sports


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: Cavey007 on November 16, 2016, 08:37:10 PM
The tallest player must at some point be described as "The big man".

And when he controls the ball medicorely once, "Great feet for a big man!"


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: Karabiner on November 16, 2016, 09:11:52 PM
You missed the biggest one bud. In Green Bay the refs allow any Packers player that scores a TD to jump into the crowd and stay there until he decides he has had enough pats in the head/beer dropped on him/ hugs. The officials and visiting team just have to hang around until this ritual known as the 'Lambeau leap' has finished before the game can restart. Given penalties are given for  delaying the game, celebrating too hard and group celebrations everywhere else in the league it is quite ridiculous that they don't apply to Green Bay players that score TD's at Lambeau.

I believe the "Lambeau Leap" is grandfathered into the rules. Because it was so popular before the excessive celebration rule came into being the NFL allows it.

Sort of like I'm told Little Darlings in Las Vegas is allowed to have dancers go totally naked, but all other strip clubs are topless only.

They were all totally starkers in Canada when I was there which attracted hordes of horny tourists from further South.


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: bobby1 on November 16, 2016, 09:26:37 PM
The grandfather clause

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_clause#Sports

Great knowledge that Keith.


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: bobby1 on November 16, 2016, 09:31:48 PM
When a player fouls by potting the white in a snooker frame his opponent then gets to place the white ball in the D. On loads of occasions the player puts the white down and then starts moving it with his cue. Why is that not considered a foul once the player has placed the ball on the table?


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: The Camel on November 16, 2016, 10:02:51 PM
One I don't understand is why a batter in baseball can't stand in the box for a couple of seconds and watch his home run leave the stadium.

And woe betide him if he flips his bat in celebration.

He might as well shag the pitchers wife, the reaction won't be any more violent.


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: The Camel on November 16, 2016, 10:05:45 PM
And why can't coaches in tennis communicate / give advice to their players?

I know they have started to allow it some in the WTA, but it should be standard like in the Davis and Federation Cups.


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: moustache on November 17, 2016, 10:58:17 AM
You missed the biggest one bud. In Green Bay the refs allow any Packers player that scores a TD to jump into the crowd and stay there until he decides he has had enough pats in the head/beer dropped on him/ hugs. The officials and visiting team just have to hang around until this ritual known as the 'Lambeau leap' has finished before the game can restart. Given penalties are given for  delaying the game, celebrating too hard and group celebrations everywhere else in the league it is quite ridiculous that they don't apply to Green Bay players that score TD's at Lambeau.

I believe the "Lambeau Leap" is grandfathered into the rules. Because it was so popular before the excessive celebration rule came into being the NFL allows it.

Sort of like I'm told Little Darlings in Las Vegas is allowed to have dancers go totally naked, but all other strip clubs are topless only.

I call that bluff


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: bunnydas8888 on November 17, 2016, 11:16:40 AM
When a player fouls by potting the white in a snooker frame his opponent then gets to place the white ball in the D. On loads of occasions the player puts the white down and then starts moving it with his cue. Why is that not considered a foul once the player has placed the ball on the table?

I think (could be wrong) its because the ball is in hand, and a shot isn't considered to have been played until the tip of the cue has hit the cue ball or another foul committed (such as hitting one of the baulk colours).  I think the tip of the cue is defined as the actual tip (the fluffy bit that gets chalked) and possibly the metal bit which the tip is glued too.

Edit, just found this from the WPBSA website:

Quote
5. Playing from In-hand
To play from in-hand, the cue-ball must be struck from a position on or within the
lines of the “D”, but it may be played in any direction.
(a) The referee will state, if asked, whether the cue-ball is properly placed
(that is, not outside the lines of the “D”).
(b) If the tip of the cue should touch the cue-ball while positioning it, and the
referee is satisfied that the striker was not attempting to play a stroke,
then the cue-ball is not in play.


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: bobby1 on November 21, 2016, 02:47:05 PM
When a player fouls by potting the white in a snooker frame his opponent then gets to place the white ball in the D. On loads of occasions the player puts the white down and then starts moving it with his cue. Why is that not considered a foul once the player has placed the ball on the table?

I think (could be wrong) its because the ball is in hand, and a shot isn't considered to have been played until the tip of the cue has hit the cue ball or another foul committed (such as hitting one of the baulk colours).  I think the tip of the cue is defined as the actual tip (the fluffy bit that gets chalked) and possibly the metal bit which the tip is glued too.

Edit, just found this from the WPBSA website:

Quote
5. Playing from In-hand
To play from in-hand, the cue-ball must be struck from a position on or within the
lines of the “D”, but it may be played in any direction.
(a) The referee will state, if asked, whether the cue-ball is properly placed
(that is, not outside the lines of the “D”).
(b) If the tip of the cue should touch the cue-ball while positioning it, and the
referee is satisfied that the striker was not attempting to play a stroke,
then the cue-ball is not in play.


Cheers.

This happened in one of the early frames in yesterdays final. King had the ball in hand for the break off. He placed it next to the brown then lined up his break then jumped up and said 'I touched the white there'. The ref and his oppo didn't see it but he called it on himself. In rule D above if the player touches the ball with his tip when positioning it the ref can say he wasn't attempting to play a shot and the white ball is not deemed to be in play. If it can be deemed not in play why is it a foul here. (tho admittedly he was loosening his shoulder and getting ready to hit the white) but we are now saying he could have touched the white ball with his tip and realised he had done so, then continued the motion as tho he was re positioning the white and that wouldn't have been a foul because the ref can say he wasn't playing a shot.

In that spot it still seems weird he can roll the ball anywhere in the D even if he has left it in one position for a while with any part of his cue as many times as he wants without it being a penalty but if he touches it so gently with the tip it's a foul at the ref's discretion.

The strange thing tho is they then had a convo asking if it was only a foul if the ball left the D so neither of the players seemed to know the rule. Even stranger tho was how is it now not a free ball to Hawkins, his oppo has fouled and Hawkins can now not see both sides of any of the red balls because they are still in their triangle shape awaiting a legal break?

Any other time in the frame that situation would be a free ball.

Yours Confused ;o)


Title: Re: Fergie Time: The unwritten laws of sport
Post by: bunnydas8888 on November 22, 2016, 04:49:47 AM
When a player fouls by potting the white in a snooker frame his opponent then gets to place the white ball in the D. On loads of occasions the player puts the white down and then starts moving it with his cue. Why is that not considered a foul once the player has placed the ball on the table?

I think (could be wrong) its because the ball is in hand, and a shot isn't considered to have been played until the tip of the cue has hit the cue ball or another foul committed (such as hitting one of the baulk colours).  I think the tip of the cue is defined as the actual tip (the fluffy bit that gets chalked) and possibly the metal bit which the tip is glued too.

Edit, just found this from the WPBSA website:

Quote
5. Playing from In-hand
To play from in-hand, the cue-ball must be struck from a position on or within the
lines of the “D”, but it may be played in any direction.
(a) The referee will state, if asked, whether the cue-ball is properly placed
(that is, not outside the lines of the “D”).
(b) If the tip of the cue should touch the cue-ball while positioning it, and the
referee is satisfied that the striker was not attempting to play a stroke,
then the cue-ball is not in play.


Cheers.

This happened in one of the early frames in yesterdays final. King had the ball in hand for the break off. He placed it next to the brown then lined up his break then jumped up and said 'I touched the white there'. The ref and his oppo didn't see it but he called it on himself. In rule D above if the player touches the ball with his tip when positioning it the ref can say he wasn't attempting to play a shot and the white ball is not deemed to be in play. If it can be deemed not in play why is it a foul here. (tho admittedly he was loosening his shoulder and getting ready to hit the white) but we are now saying he could have touched the white ball with his tip and realised he had done so, then continued the motion as tho he was re positioning the white and that wouldn't have been a foul because the ref can say he wasn't playing a shot.

In that spot it still seems weird he can roll the ball anywhere in the D even if he has left it in one position for a while with any part of his cue as many times as he wants without it being a penalty but if he touches it so gently with the tip it's a foul at the ref's discretion.

The strange thing tho is they then had a convo asking if it was only a foul if the ball left the D so neither of the players seemed to know the rule. Even stranger tho was how is it now not a free ball to Hawkins, his oppo has fouled and Hawkins can now not see both sides of any of the red balls because they are still in their triangle shape awaiting a legal break?

Any other time in the frame that situation would be a free ball.

Yours Confused ;o)

Wasn't a free ball has Hawkins could see "both" sides of the corner red. Probably a rule that neither know too much about as it gets used so rarely.  The reason I said initially that it was to do with the tip of the cue hitting the white was from rules in local pool leagues.  Assumed similar rules would carry over to snooker until I looked at the WPBSA website.

In terms of the rules as they are written, you could argue that King wasn't trying to position the cue ball, he had already done so and therefore was a foul.  If he was trying to position the cue ball you would assume/see his cue "rolling" the cue ball with his tip/cue, whereas he had clearly placed the white and was about to break off, just forgot his spacial awareness and fouled!