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The right are defending Uber because they don't really understand it, says stephenkb

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/economy/2017/09/right-are-defending-uber-because-they-dont-really-understand-it

The Uber decision is not about safety. It's about shutting down an unpopular competitor http://bit.ly/2wEHx5j

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Uber stripped of London licence due to lack of corporate responsibility

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/sep/22/uber-licence-transport-for-london-tfl?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews#link_time=1506077178

Where's the Corbynite solidarity with the 40,000 Uber drivers about to lose their jobs, asks Stephen Daisley

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/09/the-uber-ban-is-a-pitiful-howl-against-a-changing-economy/

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Uber in London has become a war between white working class cabbies and non-white immigrants http://read.bi/2ul5cmG

Like most contentious debates these days, everyone is acting like being on one side makes you evil, when it's really just competing virtues. Uber treat their staff like dirt, but they make travel way cheaper for consumers, its a better service and despite the rhetoric, most women find it way way way safer than traditional taxis. I must say though, I'm quite surprised how much celebrating there has been from the pro workers rights lot, given this will lose thousands of jobs and make commuting very expensive for low income Londoners.

Uber is comparatively well regulated in Manchester, I suspect they'll hang around and eventually do something that mirrors that.

I did see a convo on Facebook which went from "I'm glad to see worker's rights supported" to "why do you hate my disabled wife" with nothing inbetween. Amazing how much of a hot button issue it is.

Think they do a good job, black cabs need to sort their shit out because they are ridiculously overpriced.

"The Uber decision is not about safety. It's about shutting down an unpopular competitor"


This.

An absolutely dreadful decision. It's a throwback to the dark days when the Print Unions & Dockers ruled the roost & resisted competition.

Hopefully, common sense will prevail as to Uber's legal appeal.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41369617

Hearing the appeal might take a year...cant see Uber going in the long term.

Not convinced that many poor Londoners use Uber for commuting.

Not convinced black cabs have less sexual assaults than Uber.  Like any other taxi, sometimes you'd rather be anywhere else.

Pretty sure if Uber does go, we get black cabs and dodgy cabs rather than black cabs and Uber.  It always used to be near impossible to get a black cab South of the river late at night, so you frequently you just took a chance.   Is walking isn't any safer than Uber?  Are the future dodgy cabs really going to be better than Uber?

Obviously Uber could vet better, but you can always tip if you think they exploit.  

Can we sit on the fence?  

Yep....in the good old days of partying late, we use to stagger out of bars/clubs in central london and a mass of illegal,uninsured cabs would be touting for business....surely that would just return.

Wow just such a bad decision. Would be so impactful that it would make me reconsider living here at all. Uber is a huge part of my life as sad as it sounds.

Addison Lee is not a bad alternative if Uber are driven out.

Didn't know you passed your test, and did a bit of driving on the side, Pads.

Many loves for this.

Dreadful decision.  Mayor is clearly on the side of the black cabs.  Feels a real lack of impartiality and disregard for consumers.

Take away Uber and people are back into dodgy cabs or stranded without a lift.  Safety my backside.

It's pretty LOL for them to be moaning about drivers losing jobs when it is their aim to have driverless cabs ASAP.

My brother is in the tech industry and he says google want their cab company up and running by 2021. Interesting times.

Uber (and it's backers) are losing hundreds of millions in subsidising cheap fares - it's not exactly a fair fight, is it?

Undercutting rivals is as old as the hills as a business strategy.  People talk of it as if Uber have just discovered electricity.

Even if Uber hike up their prices in the future they will still be cheaper than black cabs and the service is superior in any case.  Black cabs are an antiquated service that has had it's day.

Yup, it’s black cabs that need to be upping their game to get competitive one way or another....

Uber don’t thrive here in Nottingham, there are a few around but the local cabs are far more competitive so they haven’t done as well.

Undercutting your rivals by operating on a smaller profit margin or working more efficiently is fair enough; but I'm pretty sure that making a massive loss over an extended period of time because you've got backers with deep pockets is not a massively used strategy.

Not that it's unheard of but in general it's a strategy to pay for a future monopolistic market which I'm pretty sure wouldn't be a good outcome either.

As others have mentioned Uber has other advantages rather than just being cheaper. At the moment some analysts are suggesting they can only run as a proper business once they get rid of drivers (as that's where all their money is being drained); but if they ran a proper market rate with the better service and fully following the regulations then I'm sure they'd still have a market.

Jesus over-react much people?!

It's a fucking taxi joint!

Uber is good, convenient and good value - I hope it stays saying you'd reconsider where you live because of a taxi company is, utterly ridiculous. Like saying you're moving house because the  crisps at the local tesco are a bit soggy  rotflmfao

Most businesses post losses in first few years of operation.  Par for the course. This really is nothing new.

Its like comparing Aldi and Waitrose surely?  The products are not comparable

'Brand London' probably think London deserves the premium product to give the right image to their city to the world.  It sends a big statement globally this ban.  The only time i used Uber was in London and i was amazed how they could ever make any money given the price they charged for the journey i had.  The long term monopoly to kill off competition at a short term loss then crank up the prices in the future seems the only way it will work or driverless cars.

I'd use Uber over black cabs if prices were identical.  A superior more convenient service imo.

Not sure about that, if a black cab is just there I’d just jump in that tbh. I like not having the faff of handing over cash at the end of the journey though....

Everyone likes different things in a service.  The rare times i am in central London and i am more of a cash punter than cards generally a black cab just ticks all the boxes.  Easy to find, no hassle paying in cash and great banter/quality of service usually with the drivers in my experience.  I have never thought they were that expensive either tbh i just think Uber is incredibly cheap and unsustainable if they are to treat their staff correctly in the modern working environment.

Congrats on Watford's start to the season btw.

FYI you can pay on your card in pretty much 100% of london black cabs now.

I cant remember where it is but one european city made it so only uber-lux is an option, posh (and more expensive) cars only basically.

I was going to try Uber in Vegas, but I wasn't sure if they had any that were scooter friendly.

I didn't investigage any further, as I've been using the same cabbie for years now, and he's a good egg.

Most taxi services:

Risk of ripping you off- taking the long route and can just be expensive in general
Unreliable- might not turn up or on time
Accessibility- Need to google the phone number
Payment by credit card not always an option.

The regular consumer is happy with an app that can get a cab quickly to their location.

nytimes on the black cabs vs Uber battle https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/23/opinion/london-uber-labour-party.html

Black cabs are just a bit of dated system now. What the fk is the point of doing a 2-year knowledge or whatever it is in this day and age when an app like Waze works just as well?

If Uber really aren't doing their due diligence with background checks then I'm happy they're being banned and I average probably 12 uber journeys a week. For me the company is fantastic but when I think of how often my cousins or little sister use Uber alone I'm not happy that their drivers aren't police checked etc.

I have been on 2 journeys in central London where Black cabs have pulled dangerous manoeuvres cutting my Uber off etc. Now that I can't use Uber in London I definitely wouldnt use Black taxis instead. They're overpriced and not even that comfortable.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jan/29/londons-black-cab-drivers-consider-court-action-against-uber (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jan/29/londons-black-cab-drivers-consider-court-action-against-uber)

Only reason they needed, black cabs pay more tax (old news story but numbers will still be similar0

Why would anyone be surprised that a current loss making company pays less tax than Black Cabs?

TFL set the charges for Black Cabs so the gov gets its money so they block uber as theyre losing out

But it's not like for like - they need to compare the tax paid by cabbies verses tax paid by uber drivers as they are both self employed.  I've no doubt black cabs pay more per worker because their fares are far higher and they don't pay 25% away to Uber.  But then again there are more uber drivers.

Tax paid by Uber the company verses tax paid by black cab drivers is pretty meaningless.  It's like comparing my tax with Amazon.