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Title: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: Cavey007 on September 17, 2018, 10:48:40 PM
I won a decent amount on Draftkings this week and have got around to trying to withdraw it.

Filled in their online form, including national insurance number, came to the withdrawal and they're taxing 30% of it.

How do I go about getting this sorted out? Any advice on forms to fill etc...?


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: Marky147 on September 17, 2018, 11:06:36 PM
Guessing you'll want an ITIN, which is a bit of a ballache to get from this side of the pond.


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: Cavey007 on September 17, 2018, 11:10:54 PM
Guessing you'll want an ITIN, which is a bit of a ballache to get from this side of the pond.

Did ask for an ITIN if applicable... as I wasn't sure, I put my NI number...

Figured there's probably a few of you on here who have tried to withdraw from US based sites


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: Doobs on September 17, 2018, 11:22:28 PM
As Marky, says it is a ballache.   The cost of an agent is in the hundreds and there is no guarantee you get your money back.

My tales of woe are hidden in the Vegas or WSOP threads.   Am up to 16 months and counting and still have no refund. 


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: Marky147 on September 17, 2018, 11:26:25 PM
Couple mates got their money back, including one who got refunded too much :D

One sorted it with a woman in Vegas, and the other went to get it done in London.

My old hasn't done his yet, but he has to make an appointment at the embassy, and go from there.


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: Marky147 on September 17, 2018, 11:27:46 PM
As Marky, says it is a ballache.   The cost of an agent is in the hundreds and there is no guarantee you get your money back.

My tales of woe are hidden in the Vegas or WSOP threads.   Am up to 16 months and counting and still have no refund. 

How did you go about getting yours back, Doobs?

Friend of mine I'll be seeing in Glasgow nexct month did all his when he got back to the UK, and got sorted reasonably quickly, iirc.


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: Doobs on September 18, 2018, 12:19:40 AM
I emailed a few companies on this list

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/acceptance-agents-united-kingdom

Three replied.  One wouldn't tell me their charges; of the other two, one charged half as much as the other.  Think I paid about Β£400. I got a tax number but no refund.  I have appealed.

I don't think you can apply for a refund until the end of a tax year.  I think that was about December.   


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: Marky147 on September 18, 2018, 12:31:04 AM
I emailed a few companies on this list

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/acceptance-agents-united-kingdom

Three replied.  One wouldn't tell me their charges; of the other two, one charged half as much as the other.  Think I paid about Β£400. I got a tax number but no refund.  I have appealed.

I don't think you can apply for a refund until the end of a tax year.  I think that was about December.   

Twats  ;grr; ;grr;

Hope that it gets sorted out eventually.


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: ChipRich on September 18, 2018, 12:35:37 AM
You have to fill in one of these every year.

I filled it in with no problems a while ago.

You don’t get taxed if you fill form in correctly


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: ChipRich on September 18, 2018, 12:38:44 AM
Does it ask something about UK/US after filling form in?

I remember it used to be a bit of a ballache with filling form in, but i did it on the phone app and they have it set up on there to make it really easy now.

Did you do it on app?

Think there was a question about UK/US or something that changes it from 30% to 0

This is all with DraftKings btw, shouldnt be a problem at all...


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: Ironside on September 18, 2018, 12:39:50 AM
my plans is to goto wsop for my 25th in 2020 on the off chance i am sober enough to enter and cash in an event can i fill in a form before i go which means i wont get taxed?


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: ChipRich on September 18, 2018, 12:43:13 AM
Message support if any problems..and explain you are from the UK and they tell you exactly what to put and where. support@draftkings.com

Think there is 2 different forms for UK and US players, make sure your filling in the right one!


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: ChipRich on September 18, 2018, 12:44:01 AM
Also, thin brag, GIQ etc.

Think i saw your name in top 20 of the 'Tiers' NFL $4. Good work!


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: ChipRich on September 18, 2018, 12:48:49 AM
Message support if any problems..and explain your English and they tell you exactly what to put and where. support@draftkings.com

Think there is 2 different forms for UK and US players, make sure your filling in the right one!


''DraftKings requires customers to provide us with a properly completed withholding certificate in the form of either an IRS Form W-9 (for US taxpayers) or W-8BEN or another appropriate Form W-8 series withholding certificate (for non-US taxpayers)''



Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: ChipRich on September 18, 2018, 12:56:02 AM
Don't need an ITIN or SSN number, i think just need something on record to make sure your not a US citizen. NI number works.

https://www.w8help.com/w8ben

This might help, but it should really be easy enough if do it on the app and check the right boxes etc. Took about 2 minutes.


Edit:
Found my interaction with support when i first did it and wasn't sure what to put on the W8 form back in early 2017.

In the US Tax Payer section you just put your NI number and i think the rest was just basic stuff.


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: Marky147 on September 18, 2018, 01:02:46 AM
my plans is to goto wsop for my 25th in 2020 on the off chance i am sober enough to enter and cash in an event can i fill in a form before i go which means i wont get taxed?

If you cash in a WSOP event, they do everything for you.


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: Marky147 on September 18, 2018, 01:03:09 AM
Shrewdieeeeeeeeeeeee getting paiiiiiiiiiiiiid!


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: ChipRich on September 18, 2018, 01:09:20 AM
Shrewdieeeeeeeeeeeee getting paiiiiiiiiiiiiid!

Haha, if only it was that easy!! rotflmfao


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: Marky147 on September 18, 2018, 01:15:15 AM
Shrewdieeeeeeeeeeeee getting paiiiiiiiiiiiiid!

Haha, if only it was that easy!! rotflmfao

:D


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: Doobs on September 18, 2018, 07:39:38 AM
my plans is to goto wsop for my 25th in 2020 on the off chance i am sober enough to enter and cash in an event can i fill in a form before i go which means i wont get taxed?

If you cash in a WSOP event, they do everything for you.

Think so.  Don't play the golden nugget without one, or do a deal that keeps you under 5k winnings.


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: Cavey007 on September 18, 2018, 08:01:41 AM
Also, thin brag, GIQ etc.

Think i saw your name in top 20 of the 'Tiers' NFL $4. Good work!

Yeah you did! 1 point off 2k, 10pts off 25! That's what I'm trying to withdraw now

Does have a button about the UK having a tax treaty, but I had no idea about that so left it off. I'll give that a go and see if it changes anything. Was trying all this fairly late last night after a very rushed evening and recording on a podcast so will have a proper search around today. Thanks for the help


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: StuartHopkin on September 18, 2018, 08:47:14 AM
my plans is to goto wsop for my 25th in 2020 on the off chance i am sober enough to enter and cash in an event can i fill in a form before i go which means i wont get taxed?
If you cash in a WSOP event, they do everything for you.
Cant believe you replied!


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: tikay on September 18, 2018, 08:50:32 AM
my plans is to goto wsop for my 25th in 2020 on the off chance i am sober enough to enter and cash in an event can i fill in a form before i go which means i wont get taxed?
If you cash in a WSOP event, they do everything for you.
Cant believe you replied!

Glad I was not the only one who thought that.


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: Cavey007 on September 18, 2018, 08:59:53 AM
Also, thin brag, GIQ etc.

Think i saw your name in top 20 of the 'Tiers' NFL $4. Good work!

Yeah you did! 1 point off 2k, 10pts off 25! That's what I'm trying to withdraw now

Does have a button about the UK having a tax treaty, but I had no idea about that so left it off. I'll give that a go and see if it changes anything. Was trying all this fairly late last night after a very rushed evening and recording on a podcast so will have a proper search around today. Thanks for the help

So yeah, just ticked the tax treaty button and got it all withdrawn rather than taxed. See what happens


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: ChipRich on September 18, 2018, 12:07:48 PM
Also, thin brag, GIQ etc.

Think i saw your name in top 20 of the 'Tiers' NFL $4. Good work!

Yeah you did! 1 point off 2k, 10pts off 25! That's what I'm trying to withdraw now

Does have a button about the UK having a tax treaty, but I had no idea about that so left it off. I'll give that a go and see if it changes anything. Was trying all this fairly late last night after a very rushed evening and recording on a podcast so will have a proper search around today. Thanks for the help

So yeah, just ticked the tax treaty button and got it all withdrawn rather than taxed. See what happens

Deece, should be good to go once it lets you withdraw all and no mention of 30%. πŸ‘


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: RED-DOG on September 18, 2018, 12:27:22 PM
my plans is to goto wsop for my 25th in 2020 on the off chance i am sober enough to enter and cash in an event can i fill in a form before i go which means i wont get taxed?


25th what?


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: Ironside on September 19, 2018, 02:34:26 AM
my plans is to goto wsop for my 25th in 2020 on the off chance i am sober enough to enter and cash in an event can i fill in a form before i go which means i wont get taxed?


25th what?

birthday of course
my plans is to goto wsop for my 25th in 2020 on the off chance i am sober enough to enter and cash in an event can i fill in a form before i go which means i wont get taxed?
If you cash in a WSOP event, they do everything for you.
Cant believe you replied!

Glad I was not the only one who thought that.

i've cashed before cant remember that far back but its on record somewhere


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: Marky147 on September 19, 2018, 02:35:49 AM
my plans is to goto wsop for my 25th in 2020 on the off chance i am sober enough to enter and cash in an event can i fill in a form before i go which means i wont get taxed?
If you cash in a WSOP event, they do everything for you.
Cant believe you replied!

Glad I was not the only one who thought that.

Could have been wedding anniversary for all I know :D


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: Ironside on September 19, 2018, 03:09:39 AM
my plans is to goto wsop for my 25th in 2020 on the off chance i am sober enough to enter and cash in an event can i fill in a form before i go which means i wont get taxed?
If you cash in a WSOP event, they do everything for you.
Cant believe you replied!

Glad I was not the only one who thought that.

Could have been wedding anniversary for all I know :D

now come on marky i know we havent met but thats so far fetched

1) i aint stupid enough to get tied down
2) no woman is stupid enough to tie me down
3) i am too young to be married 25 years


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: RED-DOG on September 19, 2018, 06:55:44 AM
my plans is to goto wsop for my 25th in 2020 on the off chance i am sober enough to enter and cash in an event can i fill in a form before i go which means i wont get taxed?
If you cash in a WSOP event, they do everything for you.
Cant believe you replied!

Glad I was not the only one who thought that.

Could have been wedding anniversary for all I know :D

now come on marky i know we havent met but thats so far fetched

1) i aint stupid enough to get tied down
2) no woman is stupid enough to tie me down
3) i am too young to be married 25 years


Yes, and your too old to be havjng a 25th fkin birthday. I was in casinos with you ~15 years ago.


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: Ironside on September 19, 2018, 04:42:09 PM
my plans is to goto wsop for my 25th in 2020 on the off chance i am sober enough to enter and cash in an event can i fill in a form before i go which means i wont get taxed?
If you cash in a WSOP event, they do everything for you.
Cant believe you replied!

Glad I was not the only one who thought that.

Could have been wedding anniversary for all I know :D

now come on marky i know we havent met but thats so far fetched

1) i aint stupid enough to get tied down
2) no woman is stupid enough to tie me down
3) i am too young to be married 25 years


Yes, and your too old to be havjng a 25th fkin birthday. I was in casinos with you ~15 years ago.

my memory is going


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: Marky147 on September 19, 2018, 05:03:27 PM
my plans is to goto wsop for my 25th in 2020 on the off chance i am sober enough to enter and cash in an event can i fill in a form before i go which means i wont get taxed?
If you cash in a WSOP event, they do everything for you.
Cant believe you replied!

Glad I was not the only one who thought that.

Could have been wedding anniversary for all I know :D

now come on marky i know we havent met but thats so far fetched

1) i aint stupid enough to get tied down
2) no woman is stupid enough to tie me down
3) i am too young to be married 25 years

Now I know :D


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: Cavey007 on September 20, 2018, 08:53:22 PM
Money is in my bank, ticked the tax treaty box and it let me fully withdraw the funds, $900


Title: Re: Withdrawing from American sites - specifically draftkings
Post by: ChipRich on September 20, 2018, 09:33:07 PM
Money is in my bank, ticked the tax treaty box and it let me fully withdraw the funds, $900

πŸ‘πŸ‘