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Title: Catastrophe
Post by: TightEnd on October 09, 2018, 10:27:46 AM
If you eat right, refrain from smoking, and wear a seatbelt consistently, you'll likely live long enough to see the Earth ravaged by climate catastrophe

fascinating article on the impact of 1.5c and 2c av temperature increases compared to the 1c we have seen so far

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/07/climate/ipcc-climate-report-2040.html


Title: Re: Catastrophe
Post by: kukushkin88 on October 09, 2018, 10:58:49 AM
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Title: Re: Catastrophe
Post by: kukushkin88 on October 09, 2018, 10:59:40 AM

yes the planet got destroyed but for a few beautiful moments we created profit for shareholders (http://yes the planet got destroyed but for a few beautiful moments we created profit for shareholders)


Title: Re: Catastrophe
Post by: kukushkin88 on October 09, 2018, 11:00:49 AM

Sorry, can’t get the link to work. It’s a very well observed cartoon. I’ll try again later.


Title: Re: Catastrophe
Post by: EvilPie on October 09, 2018, 11:01:58 AM
Saw a thing the other day about medical advances and how we're living longer. It said that the first person to reach the age of 200 has already been born.

That guy/gal could see quite a lot.


Title: Re: Catastrophe
Post by: RED-DOG on October 09, 2018, 12:10:40 PM
Saw a thing the other day about medical advances and how we're living longer. It said that the first person to reach the age of 200 has already been born.

That guy/gal could see quite a lot.



Pfft!

I'll believe it when I see it.


Title: Re: Catastrophe
Post by: Doobs on October 09, 2018, 01:21:34 PM
Saw a thing the other day about medical advances and how we're living longer. It said that the first person to reach the age of 200 has already been born.

That guy/gal could see quite a lot.


I am fairly sceptical of that.   Whilst life expectancy has increased over the years, the limit of  human life hasn't kept pace.   So there are significantly more people aged over 100, but there are only ever a handful of people alive who have made it past 115.  The oldest person ever died in 1997, and nobody else has got that close since, and the rate of improvement of life expectancy is slowing. 


Title: Re: Catastrophe
Post by: doubleup on October 09, 2018, 02:04:18 PM

Doobs, I think you are underestimating the possibilities of "cloning" technologies - individual body parts rather than entire bodies - and human cyber interaction overcoming brain deterioration.  These technologies will only ever be available to the rich, I would guess, but it's not too far fetched to believe that such a person has recently been born.


Title: Re: Catastrophe
Post by: Jon MW on October 09, 2018, 02:23:55 PM

Doobs, I think you are underestimating the possibilities of "cloning" technologies - individual body parts rather than entire bodies - and human cyber interaction overcoming brain deterioration.  These technologies will only ever be available to the rich, I would guess, but it's not too far fetched to believe that such a person has recently been born.

That will only help if it 'fixes' their DNA; it isn't out of the question but it's probably ambitious to think that people have already been born that will benefit from it.


Title: Re: Catastrophe
Post by: doubleup on October 09, 2018, 02:42:14 PM

Why would their dna require fixing?  My postulation is simply that technologies to replace diseased/failing body parts will be developed.


Title: Re: Catastrophe
Post by: Jon MW on October 09, 2018, 03:57:54 PM

Why would their dna require fixing?  My postulation is simply that technologies to replace diseased/failing body parts will be developed.

The human lifespan is ultimately constrained by your DNA, there's no point replacing organs if you've multiple cancers and alzheimers etc


Title: Re: Catastrophe
Post by: Pokerpops on October 09, 2018, 04:43:13 PM
If you eat right, refrain from smoking, and wear a seatbelt consistently, you'll likely live long enough to see the Earth ravaged by climate catastrophe

fascinating article on the impact of 1.5c and 2c av temperature increases compared to the 1c we have seen so far

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/07/climate/ipcc-climate-report-2040.html


If we do nothing to deal with the changing climate, nor make any changes in the way that we live (in case all this is our fault) and you eat right, refrain from smoking, and wear a seatbelt consistently, you'll live long enough to see the Earth ravaged by climate catastrophe if it happens.

The article doesn’t tell us that this is a certainty. Nor does the IPCC report.

Not a denier, but I remain sceptical about the output of the IPCC and am especially sceptical of the reporting of their predictions by the media.


Title: Re: Catastrophe
Post by: Jon MW on October 09, 2018, 07:27:43 PM

Why would their dna require fixing?  My postulation is simply that technologies to replace diseased/failing body parts will be developed.

The human lifespan is ultimately constrained by your DNA, there's no point replacing organs if you've multiple cancers and alzheimers etc

To elaborate - at the end of your DNA you have telomeres this is a bunch of 'junk' DNA that doesn't really do anything.

When your cells divide the DNA gets shorter - but it's only telomeres at the end so you're okay; except by the time you get old you've run out of them so the DNA shortening means you lose some of the genetic material that is actually important, resulting in many of the things associated with old age.

For the idea of extreme old age by organ transplants to work you would have to find a way to transplant every single organ in your body, at least once - but maybe more than once. And that would mean absolutely everything including skin, bones and brain which, even just on a logistical level, is fairly close to impossible.

Science wife also pointed out that even if you could find the money to research how to do this (realistically more than any individual and most governments hold) - you probably wouldn't have the strength to undergo the operations - because you'd be so old.


Title: Re: Catastrophe
Post by: RED-DOG on October 09, 2018, 09:40:14 PM
Your best bet is to download your mind to a hard drive.