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I have just been reading the new 'FLUSH' magazine.  In it there is an interview with Michael Greco. He says he is now in the top 50 in the European poker rankings.

Does anyone know how these rankings work?  Is it just Hold-Em or are all games considered to give an overall ranking?

As Greco is a celeb and does not have to pay for some of his entry fees. Does this mean he will be able to enter bigger tournaments where more ranking points are on offer? or are all tournaments ranked equal?

thanks.

The Poker in Europe website explains the rankings in detail.

Thanks, MrMoves. I will look at this.

I looked at this site.  Michael Greco is ranked 41st in Europe at Hold-Em. Not Bad for someone with only two years experience.

pretty good, but like you said, he doesnt have to pay for all his events himself, besides he has the cash to jump right in at the deep end so he probably never had to put up with fish jumping all in with 5 2 :D

He also happens to be a pretty handy player!

lol.  Fish jumping all-in with 5 2.   I think I have met some of these players recently.  :D

I wasn't knocking him, sorry if it came across that way.  I have seen him play and he is pretty good :)

I've played with M.G twice, once on a ranking final table.

He's a very good player, and has a lot of experience in bigger games.

It's always strange playing with celeb's you tend to think that there probably just having a bit of a laugh trying poker for a bit but most that i've played against (with the exception of Alex Higgings) are very good.

 ;D :) ;D ;D

Alex Higgings. That must have been an experience?

It was only few weeks ago. He's a bit of a shell of his former self but he enjoyed sticking his chips in with any two cards!

It was in the 1K euro in dublin last month, he then spent the rest of the tourney with his racing post and as much guiness as a 9 stone man can hold!

i think he had higher rankings on eastenders  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. i find it hard to take celebrity poker seriously or for that matter any poker 'stars' im not really one for celebrity and prefer the underground scene feeling. i bet there are folks on here that can beat the biggest 'star'. i know they would not intimidate me as long as i had plenty of chips

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These rankings are not all that meaningful.  I think most of the people on this site could make the top 50 if they had enough money to play the necessary tourneys. And being in the top 50 certainly doesn't necessarily mean you are making profit.

 Ac

Does it work like snooker rankings. The top 16 are automatically invited to events and the rest have to qualify.

Are poker rankings like that or is it just, first come first serve before the cut off?  Are certain players not allowed to play in some events because of a low ranking? .  I have no idea about this sort of thing. I am an online player only.

I'm just not sure of the true value of the rankings as they stand at the moment. As we know last years top ranked player was Mickey Wernick but in how many EPT main events did he make the final table. This is by no means a critism of Mickey as I think he is a great player, I just think it's a tad strange that Europes No1 can be a player who hasn't made the final in any of the EPT main events in that year.

IMO the current structure does tend to favour British pro's. As for Michael Greco's current ranking it is early days. I would be surprised if any of the players in the top 10 are there come the end of the year. As for MG remaining in 41st or in a higher position come the end of year I know what I would put my money on.

Anyway, I'm not a huge fan of rankings as the true reward in poker is whether or not you are a profitable player.   

The rankings are done on a weighted place x buy-in x number of runners basis. Only the best five or ten results count depending on whether it is the individual game or overall list. You can play as many tourneys as you like to try and acheive this though.  It also includes some re-buy events which I don't think adds to the significance of the list.

Anyone can play in any ranked tourney so long as you have the entry fee.

 Ac

Thanks mate

Just play some ranking events, get onto the final table for your name up in lights.

I WAS 10th in Omaha, but have now dropped down to 17th lol - oh well, least I WAS in the top ten for a while  ;goodvevil;

wow, 17th isn't bad :)

lol Graham, there have only been 2 or 3 events so far  :D :D ,i just managed to f/t in one of them.

Just watch me slide down those rankings now lol

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It should be based on a money list really as golf is.
To avoid the UK bias they should stipulate that you must play (and include results from) 5 events from accross europe and take the other 5 from your best finishes anywhere else.
Money does have a huge bearing on rankings though (as does sponsorship), people with sponsorship deals will be up at the top again this year and people like Michael Greco will be invited to many events this year too.
Maybe you should be made to qualify for the main events? in the way that Grosvenor do with their Grand Prix?
Is the Grand Prix a ranking event? if you made that one of the 10 events you can score points in compulsory it would be better i think.
Though at the end of the day we can all do it with the talent, when i started going to Walsall Micky Wernick was playing the £10/£20 buyin games (as well as some festivals) and he went on a run where he finalled or won something like 5 times in one week!!
He then took that money to festivals around Britain and went on a tremendous run of "form" that eventually brought him the European crown and ultimately sponsorship.
A great player.

The rankings have changed this year to include higher brackets for buyins and field size, this will make winning an EPT far more important that a £200 freezeout!

Still i think the rankings are a poor way to go about things, only the UK has a tournament circuit, so unless you play the UK festivals then you cant be European Champ.

I'm not suggesting that the current ranking system is the best it can be, i'm sure it can be improved, however it's currently the only system we have to measure one player against another acros europe, flushy's right in that it's swayed to british based players due to the amount of comps here.

My point was that players who finished at the top end of the leader board did so due to skill, not because they are sponsored or rich.

This years rankings will more closely reflect a money list due to the increased point ratio for number of players and buy in.

Back to Mr Greco i believe he finished in 41st last year (or there abouts) not his current position this year.

 ;tk; :)

So at what point did I say the rankings bare no reflection on who are the best tournment players in European and whats with the childish "you should play them heads up" crap. I said Mickey was a great player, my point was that the rankings structure was bias towards those who can play in many more comps and therefore have a greater range of results to select from. Someone playing 30 ranking events is bound to have more opportunity to collect higher ranking points against someone who just plays 10 events and with the majority of smaller ranking events in the UK this is obviously an advantage for the British pro. Those who choose or can play more events such as sponsored players obviously have an advantage.

My actual stance was did the rankings, as they were structured, really highlight the BEST player of the year considering that Mickey had not finalled in ANY of the major EPT main events. I don't recall saying any of those who did finish in a high position last year were lucky. I also said I would be surprised if any of the top 10 "at the moment" after so few results of the year would remain in the top 10 at the end of the year.

b4Matt, your questioning against my agruement is always welcome but please don't use a ridiculous arguement of "you should play these guys heads up" or "try your luck at a ranking event" as these are just childish responses and are of no value whatsoever. What would it prove if I did these things you suggest. I have infact played against some of these people live and actually  outlasted some of them. So does that mean I'm better than those I outlasted, if so I'm better than YoYo and foxy but sadly not as good as Michael Greco. Now lets be adult, this is clearly not the case, or is it accordingly to your logic that I should play these guys sometime.

The variance is such in big poker tournaments that you could only get a true ranking of the best tournament poker players if the rankings were calculated on a rolling 20-30 year basis.

Ace of Wands,

Why (and how) does your website try to put a cookie on my PC when I open this thread ??

On second toughts, I don't care why.  Just stop it.

Whose computer?

My computer?

I am confused

What kind of signature is that? How does it know my ISP server, IE etc.

his sig takes the info from your computer and uses it to show your computer your information

no one else sees any of the information it never leaves your pc

its a trick that some wannabe hackers use to make newbie wannabe hackers think that there computer has been hacked

Any body else find this disturbing? I understand that no one else can see it, but how can an external tell my computer to show me my settings?

having spoken to someone with more knowledge than myself its been decided that although harmless it was best removed

Cheers, but I am not offended by the signature but being a non techy I just didn't/don't understand how this could work. Left still wondering how this is possible. I take on board that it isn't anything to worry about (if you aren't worried ironside then thats good enough for me). I am just trying to get more knowledge of how computers basically work as i never got the opportunity to study IT at school unfortunately. It intrigues me greatly and would like to have some answers to potential questions the kids will ask me re their homework.

if i knew half the things the kids knew i would be working for some multi million dollar corp with a 7 figure salary but as i know about 2% the kids know i offer my services free to anyone that wants them

I didn't see the offending image so can't comment on specifics.

Your browser passes certain details to the webserver whenever it requests something from it - from this the server can work out various things like what browser and OS you are using etc..

The information contained in the graphic was

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Your operating system and browser details are sent by your machine to the server when you request a page - so they're publicly available as well.

dik9, I never learned anything from studying IT at school - everything I know has been picked up by playing about on my own with computers. The most difficult thing to get over is simply the fear that you will break something and not be able to fix it - however, my most useful sessions for learning about computers was when things stopped working because of something I'd done and I had to figure out how to fix it :)

thats the only way i learnt anything

Thanks for reply guys, I sort of understand it now, but how can someone make a signature up that contains that info without being an administrator etc. E.G. where can i find this info? I don't want to find out information like this but obviously the info is somewhere, and how does it attach to sig? Do you write a program for it?

When i break something it is usually cheaper to send off as inevitably I break it further :D

the text in the image is added seconds before its sent automatically

just like in the picture snoppy put up in the valentine thread didnt really have i love snoppy in the orginal

The image will be on their server, so your browser will request it from there and so it then has the information. A small program running on the server will process all this and then send the image to your machine.

That sounds more worrying Bongo lol Maybe I should stop asking now, I scaring myself :D

P.s. sorry for hijaking thread.

In plain english for a computer idiot. What has actually happened?  cookies?..  are they not a type of biscuit?...lol

We have removed it now, so it's no longer a problem. If it was in the first place, & I have no idea if it was or it was not. But it was making Members feel uncomfortable, so we've got rid of it.

So when do we get rid of you?

What exactly is "it"?... what is going on?... dohhh I am lost.  I am gonna go back to the Tweenies. I understand that more...lol

Sigh.....

How's the blister?

It was only meant as a joke. Sorry if I have caused alarm and panic.  The image just displays the information that any internet server you to contact receives. There is no cookie involved or any intrusion to your computer. A custom image is created remotely that simply mirrors the information you are sending out. Only you can see it.

It is the Blonde site that puts a cookie on you computer which is how you log on without having to put your password in every time.

 Ac

All these sort of signatures are, is a piece of scripting code that displays your settings, nothing more, nothing less, nothing harmful. This information is sent every time you request anything on the internet.