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Title: Middle Set on a connected board
Post by: ACE2M on February 11, 2006, 09:42:06 AM
After the good discussion on the folly of laying down middle set on an unconected board, what about a connected board as this crops up often enough to be a problem worth considering.

Middle postion raiser of 4 x bb called by you on the button and the bb. A board of  9s Th Jd , you have hit a set of tens and are last to act from the button.
BB checks
Raiser bets 2/3 pot
You double his raise
BB moves all in (has you covered)
Raiser folds

Are you calling?


Middle postion raiser of 4 x bb called by you on the button and the bb. A board of   9d  Td Jd , you have hit a set of tens and are last to act from the button.
BB checks
Raiser bets 2/3 pot
You double his raise
BB moves all in (has you covered)
Raiser folds


Are you calling?


Title: Re: Middle Set on a connected board
Post by: Nem on February 11, 2006, 10:55:55 AM
What are the chip stacks? Is it a cash game or a tournament?


Title: Re: Middle Set on a connected board
Post by: ACE2M on February 11, 2006, 11:04:08 AM
Cash game, in order to get a realistic decision, to easy to call in a tourney.

Stacks are whatever is an amount which would matter to you.

say it's NLHE $2/$4
Original raise was to $20
called by you and the BB
Original raiser (has $500) has raised to $40
You ($450) have re raised to $80
BB has moved all in for $400.



Title: Re: Middle Set on a connected board
Post by: doubleup on February 11, 2006, 11:11:50 AM
I think this completely depends on stack sizes.  Your going to be ahead some of the time, but up against a big draw.  In deep brown stuff slightly more than well ahead, but still a lot less than up against the big draw.  You are going to be drawing the rest of the time.  So lets say 10- 1 fav 5% of the time, 10-1 dog 10% of the time, 2-1 dog 40% of the time and even money 45%.  I think this all adds up to wiining about 40%, so I'm calling this if my pot odds are 6/4 or better.


Title: Re: Middle Set on a connected board
Post by: doubleup on February 11, 2006, 11:17:01 AM
Cash game, in order to get a realistic decision, to easy to call in a tourney.

Stacks are whatever is an amount which would matter to you.

say it's NLHE $2/$4
Original raise was to $20
called by you and the BB
Original raiser (has $500) has raised to $40
You ($450) have re raised to $80
BB has moved all in for $400.



Based on my analysis I'm calling here. 

Something has occured to me - does the size of the overbet increase the likelyhood of the big draw?  If it does maybe this is always a call.


Title: Re: Middle Set on a connected board
Post by: Nem on February 11, 2006, 11:18:54 AM
I'm calling as well.


Title: Re: Middle Set on a connected board
Post by: Newmanseye on February 11, 2006, 09:46:17 PM
easy call in a cash game, tourney close to the bubble, i could consider laying it down to the right player.