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Title: Neteller
Post by: Sark79 on February 14, 2006, 10:57:48 AM
I am looking to open an online account. Does anyone have any helpful advice about the best way to do this?

Is Neteller the best of the online accounts or are there better options?

Also, do I get a credit/cash card like a regular bank?  What is the minimum deposit needed to do this?

Thanks


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: patman on February 14, 2006, 11:05:20 AM
neteller is what i use and its ok.

If you play on uk sites mostly open a pound account.
If you play on us sites or dollars then open a dollar account.

get your account certiifed and link a bank account to it. It reduces the amount of time it takes to do transactions. Transactions are instant on depositing to poker sites but can take up to 3 days when withdrawing.
It will withdraw back to the account you have linked to it.

I dont use paypal as i dont think its secure enough


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on February 14, 2006, 11:09:31 AM
Neteller is the best option for getting funds around different sites and avoiding frequent exchange rate fees.  It works in a similar way to Paypal, if you've ever used that.

Nowadays you have to link the Neteller account to a bank account to get 'verified' (you used to have to fax ID to them) but this then makes funds transfers from Neteller to the account very straightforward (not sure about the fees though - never used this option).

You can get a Neteller debit card, allowing you to withdraw direct from cash machines (after loading the card from your Neteller account).  Best used as an emergency only though as the fees are high.

Go ahead and sign up, its free and easy to do.  Best tip is to have a Neteller account in US$, rather than Sterling.  This then lets you cash out of, say, Stars in $ and deposit into, say, Party in $ without going through any exhange conversion.  The only time you get an exchange rate hit is when you finally get the cash out into your bank account in Sterling.

Sheriff


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: Sark79 on February 14, 2006, 11:13:46 AM
Thanks Patman,

My reason for opening one of these online accounts is, I want to close all the poker sites I never play at.

Over the last three or four months I have started poker accounts at various sites. As I only really play at pokerstars, they just sit there doing nothing. I will re-deposit into pokerstars with the money. I have been meaning to do this for ages, but have been too busy. I have a few days off Uni, so I will start one today.


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: Sark79 on February 14, 2006, 11:15:34 AM
Cheers Sheriff, I appreciate your help


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on February 14, 2006, 11:19:14 AM
Thanks Patman,

My reason for opening one of these online accounts is, I want to close all the poker sites I never play at.

Over the last three or four months I have started poker accounts at various sites. As I only really play at pokerstars, they just sit there doing nothing. I will re-deposit into pokerstars with the money. I have been meaning to do this for ages, but have been too busy. I have a few days off Uni, so I will start one today.

Another tip - get the money out of the other sites but don't close the accounts.  That way, you'll still be able to claim any re-deposit bonuses that come along down the line.

Sheriff

PS:  You'll probably end up with a few cents in each account anyway as most sites only transfer whole dollar amounts into Neteller.


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: Sark79 on February 14, 2006, 12:41:05 PM
I opened up a neteller account. I am just waiting for them to phone and activate it now.

thanks sherrif and Patman for your help.


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: Graham C on February 14, 2006, 12:56:31 PM
if you call them, they call you straight back usually


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: mikkyT on February 14, 2006, 12:56:54 PM
Neteller is the best option for getting funds around different sites and avoiding frequent exchange rate fees.  It works in a similar way to Paypal, if you've ever used that.

Nowadays you have to link the Neteller account to a bank account to get 'verified' (you used to have to fax ID to them) but this then makes funds transfers from Neteller to the account very straightforward (not sure about the fees though - never used this option).

You can get a Neteller debit card, allowing you to withdraw direct from cash machines (after loading the card from your Neteller account).  Best used as an emergency only though as the fees are high.

Go ahead and sign up, its free and easy to do.  Best tip is to have a Neteller account in US$, rather than Sterling.  This then lets you cash out of, say, Stars in $ and deposit into, say, Party in $ without going through any exhange conversion.  The only time you get an exchange rate hit is when you finally get the cash out into your bank account in Sterling.

Sheriff

Actually the fees for the neteller debit card are not high. It is a fee of $1 to withdraw to your bank account, and a fee of $2 to withdraw a sum to the debit card. Once that sum is on the debit card, there is no further charge (you can withdraw small sums from the initally deposited sum on the card without further cost)


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: Sark79 on February 14, 2006, 01:06:26 PM
Once I have my account activated. How do I go about transfering the money from my various online poker  accounts to my neteller account?

Do I have to phone the various poker sites concerned?

thanks


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on February 14, 2006, 01:10:37 PM
Once I have my account activated. How do I go about transfering the money from my various online poker  accounts to my neteller account?

Do I have to phone the various poker sites concerned?

thanks

No, just select Neteller as the option to cash out from the cashier's screen.  You'll be asked for a combination of your account number, email address & Secure ID, depending on the site.

Sheriff


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on February 14, 2006, 01:15:05 PM
Actually the fees for the neteller debit card are not high. It is a fee of $1 to withdraw to your bank account, and a fee of $2 to withdraw a sum to the debit card. Once that sum is on the debit card, there is no further charge (you can withdraw small sums from the initally deposited sum on the card without further cost)

Unfortunately, its not that simple.  Transferring onto the card involves a conversion to Canadian $ and back to US$, so you get less back than you started with.  Then there's another exchange rate hit at the cash machine, as you convert from US$ to Sterling.

If you don't then use the card again, Neteller will eat away at the residual card balance in monthly fees until it reaches zero.

Add it all up and you'll likely get about £1 for every $2 at current rates.

Sheriff


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: Sark79 on February 14, 2006, 05:48:27 PM
I tried to withdraw from my Ladbrokes account using neteller. Unfortunately you have to have a bank balance of $0 in your account at the site to switch bank details. I deposited using Visa and want to withdraw using Neteller. For security reasons, I can't withdraw from the site back into my visa card.

I explained this to the support people on ladbrokes. They said I have to withdraw using my local ladbrokes instead.

How the heck do I do this?...  I have an online poker account, how do I go into my local kilmarnock bookies and get my cash?

This is the reason I opened a neteller account to make things easier to withdraw.

Full-tilt, full-contact and party were all straight forward to deal with. Yet again Ladbrokes are giving me grief.


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: AndrewT on February 14, 2006, 05:51:56 PM
When I withdrew from Pokerstars recently they put it straight back onto the Visa card I deposited with - don't see why Ladbrokes can't do the same.


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: RED-DOG on February 14, 2006, 05:58:47 PM
Am I missing something here? People talk about Netller being an easy way to deposit/withdraw

I play on quite a few different sites, and I use my debit card to deposit and withdraw on all of them, what could be easier than that?


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: Sark79 on February 14, 2006, 06:06:25 PM
Yea, i thought it was suppose to be easy as well. I have a alliance leicester visa card. When i tried to withdraw using that. they said that I couldn't withdraw back to that card. So i opened an Neteller card like they suggested and now they won't let my withdraw to that. Pokerstars are so easy to deal with, I wish every other site was the same.


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: AndrewT on February 14, 2006, 06:10:12 PM
It stems from the days when the 'American' sites wouldn't accept Switch. This is changing now - both Party and Pokerstars allow Switch.

The US players love Neteller, as it allows them to move money around sites. I hate it as I'm used to putting money in and out without having to pay for the privilege.

British players are much better off using Switch (or Maestro or whatever it's called now).


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: Sheriff Fatman on February 14, 2006, 10:15:38 PM
Am I missing something here? People talk about Netller being an easy way to deposit/withdraw

I play on quite a few different sites, and I use my debit card to deposit and withdraw on all of them, what could be easier than that?

Easy enough with the UK sites but many sites won't let you do this.  They'll only cash out to debit cards to the extent that you deposited.  After that, its a cheque or Neteller!

Things have improved over the last couple of years but there's still a need for Neteller at the moment.  Besides, its still worth using for avoiding exchange rate hits when moving dollars from site to site.

Sheriff


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: Triple X on July 02, 2006, 09:59:49 PM
Hi - i recently opened a UB account and a month later ive decided i dont like tihe site.  I will keep my winnings in but want to transfer my initial stake to Poker Stars.

Presumably Neteller is the best option for doing this rather than withdrawing to my debit and then depositing from my debit to PS.

Do Neteller charge me a fee?  And how long does it take to show up in my neteller account?


Thanks


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: CelticGeezeer on July 02, 2006, 10:59:02 PM
With your ladbrokes account you get a card which can be used to deposit or withdraw cash from the betting shops.


Neteller charge you to deposit or withdraw cash  from your account, but its is free to deposit or withdraw to a poker site.

This makes it useful to transfer $ between sites.

Some sites IE Ladbrokes will only allow you to use one source of cash, if you pay in by credit card you have to withdraw back to the same card. This is to stop peeps stealing and draining other peoples accounts.

Some other sites will let you deposit with netteller and withdraw back to your card.


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: byronkincaid on July 02, 2006, 11:19:18 PM
Hi - i recently opened a UB account and a month later ive decided i dont like tihe site.  I will keep my winnings in but want to transfer my initial stake to Poker Stars.

Presumably Neteller is the best option for doing this rather than withdrawing to my debit and then depositing from my debit to PS.

Do Neteller charge me a fee?  And how long does it take to show up in my neteller account?


Thanks

I've just set up a UB account as well so I'd be interested to know how long the first withdrawl takes. there only seem to be 3 options, cheque, neteller or firepay. I would think that Neteller will be the fastest way to get your money onto Stars. What don't you like about UB? I think it's got great software and at my level anyway fairly weak players. I like it so far.


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: The_Patriot on July 02, 2006, 11:20:40 PM
Ladbrokes: if you want to withdraw via neteller and having deposited via your card, simply, go to a table sit with your bankroll, call up ladbrokes customer service and ask them to change your deposit/withdrawal to neteller. Simply done. Neteller is instant from ladbrokes.


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: The_Patriot on July 02, 2006, 11:24:22 PM
Celtic Geezer: Some sites IE Ladbrokes will only allow you to use one source of cash, if you pay in by credit card you have to withdraw back to the same card. This is to stop peeps stealing and draining other peoples accounts.

Nonsense talk.


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: The_Patriot on July 02, 2006, 11:27:29 PM
Pokerstars: Max deposit you can have via neteller on a weekly basis is $50,000, and $10,000 daily. If you deposit via neteller, and have previously returned all deposits back to your card(ie: you deposited via ur card previously and it was all returned), you can withdraw your winnings and initial deposit back to your card.


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: CelticGeezeer on July 02, 2006, 11:32:33 PM
Celtic Geezer: Some sites IE Ladbrokes will only allow you to use one source of cash, if you pay in by credit card you have to withdraw back to the same card. This is to stop peeps stealing and draining other peoples accounts.

Nonsense talk.


Not in my experience


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: The_Patriot on July 02, 2006, 11:38:00 PM
ok. If you think so.


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: crip17 on July 02, 2006, 11:43:15 PM
It u deposit with cc   you have to withdraw by cc.  If u deposit by neteller you have to withdraw by neteller.
You can only change your method of payment when your account is empty or withdrawan all funds.


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: CelticGeezeer on July 02, 2006, 11:48:23 PM
I know so I have a Ladbrokes account setup with my debit card. I wanted to withdraw some cash to neteller but didnt have the option available. I called ladbrokes and they told me if I changed to neteller they would not let me change back to my card afterwards.


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: The_Patriot on July 02, 2006, 11:49:03 PM
Not true Crip. You are a regular on lads and Im surprised you still believe this is true. Its not.  Maybe for the vast majority of players, but for all regulars, you can do what you wish.


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: The_Patriot on July 02, 2006, 11:50:57 PM
Celtic .. I am very very surprised. As I said in the previous post, most regulars I know, dont have any problems. If you wanted to overcome it, simply sit at the table with ur full bankroll and call up. Easily done. But what I say is correct for my account and for the close companions I have who play there.


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: CelticGeezeer on July 02, 2006, 11:56:28 PM
Can I use more than one payment card?
No - you can only register one payment card to your account.

Back to top

Can I change the payment card registered to my account?
If you wish to change the card you have registered with us you must withdraw any outstanding funds back to the original card. Once the balance is zero contact us at Customer Services and after checking a few Personal Details with you we will reset your account to allow you to register a new card.

The above is from the Ladbrokes site

http://www.ladbrokespoker.com/help/account/?subsection=


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: crip17 on July 02, 2006, 11:58:56 PM
They have always told me this on the phone.  As i said in the above every time i wanted to change method payments ive had to phone up to get this done.      But im not a regular there - i play at various site with the good structured tourneys.   


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: The_Patriot on July 02, 2006, 11:59:18 PM
ok I wont argue, I know what I can do on my account, and what a select few others can do. I say no more on the matter, didnt want to create a stir but merely say that the customer service is bollox and if you speak with the pokermanagers,anything can be done for u.. anything.


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: CelticGeezeer on July 03, 2006, 12:02:32 AM
No problem I was mearly advising people of my personal experience. I was a regular at the time but have since moved on.


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: The_Patriot on July 03, 2006, 12:05:13 AM
Thats cool. I was a regular also until 6 months ago but recently reinstated my account. The security has upped a little from when I last played but there is ways around withdrawing and depositing very easy. Good luck to you Celtic.I cant argue with a fellow Celt.


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: CelticGeezeer on July 03, 2006, 12:09:15 AM
Hail Hail


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: Bongo on July 03, 2006, 11:52:45 AM
How would one get to speak to the poker managers on there?

Customer support was less than helpful when I looked to withdraw some cash via netteller...


Title: Re: Neteller
Post by: The_Patriot on July 03, 2006, 11:56:59 AM
Ask...customer service terrible, in one word, Clueless: Simply ask to speak directly to a pokermanager