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decided to give poker a miss for saturday night after feeling really tired and slightly drunk, instead i followed the walsall main event (i wish id have played) until the end of the days play. I then decided to have a read through the blogs, i.e pommo, danny yi, thegring, milkykid.... and then got to my favourite www.tillerman.com   there i came across a remarkable story of an ept finalist Justin Bonomo (i have his site www.zeejustin.com on my toolbar) which seems as though he has been a very naughty boy using several accounts on party and entering the big mtt's with them all, he posted his thread on 2+2 and here's the link--------->http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=4859737   

the reply with the song in i just have to paste as it nearly made me wee myseBeen playing the new Arctic Monkeys album to myself recently - it's rather good...As I have little better to do and this album is one of my favourites right now I thought I'd get all topical and rework some of the lyrics to WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN.

Which is track 11 - and possibly the best song on there.

So I present WHEN THE CHIPS ARE DOWN(the Scumbag song) in "honour" of ZJ as this has been running through my head all day I thought would share.

I thought my contribution to this mammoth thread ought to be a little different as just about every angle seems to have been covered now...

If you've not listened to this album BTW "Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say I Am - Thats What I'm Not" then it's highly recommended that you do.

whos that guy there?
I wonder how it is that
he can survive five bad beats
He says he doesn't chip dump
but I doubt he keeps receipts
It's all not quite legitimate.

What a scummy man
just give him half a chance
I'll bet he'll rob you if he can
Can see it in his eyes
He's got a PartyPoker ban
amongst some other offences.

I've heard he plays tourneys all night
Sng's and MTTs, 6 entries - thats right
Now that he's been found out - he's still not seen the light

That Zee's a scumbag don't you know
A cheating scumbag don't you know...


Although you're trying hard to play fair
Opening more tables so you don't collude
You say that you're not really cheating
Sorry mate - but that is just quite rude

You must be up to summat
What are the chances? - sure it's more than likely
I've got this feeling in my stomach
I wonder what your next story might be

They say it changes when the chips are down
They say it changes when the chips are down
They say it changes when the chips are down
Round here.

Have you read his Bull [censored] statement
Trying to sound like it's Innocuous
As tho he don't know what he's doing
We think Zee has just [censored] up.

We're all delighted he's been found out
Posting here - and giving him what for
Because he can't keep stealing profit
Now that Partypokers shown him the door.

It won't stop just with Justin - no.

They say it changes when the chips are down
They say it changes when the chips are down
They say it changes when the chips are down
Round here.

What a scummy man
Just give him half a chance
I bet he'll rob you if he can
Can see it in his eyes that he's got a nasty plan
I hope you're not involved at all.

I hope you're not involved at all....

now that's funny ;cheerleader; but I have had a lot of red wine  ;D

 rotflmfao rotflmfao Nice one Action Man.

Now you should put it on 2+2 and see if they "get it"

Nice one.

Now we know MikyT has got to.

He's in a dark room in action man's basement, being fed bread and water, being forced to compose topical lyrics.

I'm not saying release him action man, but I like the wee guy. Can you chuck him a cushion and a couple of sugar cubes or something for this effort?

I've just posted Action Man's song on 2+2. It will most probably get deleted, but hey, they don't have a sense of humor over there.

No new entry on ZeeJustin's ego-maniacal blog yet?

When will these cheats be put on a global blacklist?

For internet poker perhaps.

There's a hoo-haw about trying to get these cats banned from WSOP events. I'm not too sure about this.

These are young guys, they made a mistake. They shouldn't be burned alive by us villagers, just having them thrown out of Verona is enough to satiate my blood lust.

I agree 100% that all their online funds should be nabbed though.

MTT's isn't it? Not STT's. Apart from having different names I suppose.

I understand they will easily be able to play online poker again.

They just won't be able to brag about any wins  :D

For these guys, that is probably punishment enough.

I should of perhaps stated for Internet poker.  I doubt even Bonononomomo can create multiple B&M accounts.

He made a mistake yes, but surely he realised it was wrong pretty quickly?  There is doing something once and holding your hands up and there is doing something over a prolonged period until stopped.  He labels Party Poker as "corrupt".  Pot and kettle, Justin.

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There's a hoo-haw about trying to get these cats banned from WSOP events. I'm not too sure about this.


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I don't think either of them (JJ and ZeeJ) are old enough to play WSOP events yet, both under 21....

Nice lyrics :-]

Who's brave enough to lay down those lyrics over the song and make a proper bootleg? ^_^

Good post action man.

I wonder what the potential loss of earnings will be for ZeeJustin over the next few years?

Hmm you sure? :P

www.tillerman.com is a Vegas restaurants website, not tillermans

 ;goodvevil;

Yea, I saw that as well. I was confused. But that is normal for me. I just thought I had misunderstood the joke.

www.tillerman.net (http://www.tillerman.net)

Does Tillerman play at CinCin's?

Yes, his name is Iain Girwood.

ZeeJustin has had all of his Pokerstars bankroll confiscated as well.


"Hi folks -

We did our own review of ZeeJustin and unfortunately, found that he'd been playing multiple accounts in several tournaments at PokerStars.

* We confiscated the money that he won illicitly.

* We closed his accounts and banned him from PokerStars.

* We are returning the money he won illicitly to players who were harmed by his actions in those same tournaments.

Obviously, we don't like doing this, but the evidence was incontrovertible. We will do whatever it takes to keep our games and tournaments clean.

Best regards,
Lee Jones

PokerStars Poker Room Manager"

Fantastic, I nearly fell off my chair with this one.

..and he's a nice chap so he is. He's played the Thursday game this last couple of weeks.

What one is he tank, I cant place him.

Young lad, glasses, plays in the big Omaha game.

I know who it is now.

I think I know who you are talking about - he was sitting between me and badar towards the end of the tourney last thursday. He seemed keen to get rid of all his chips quite quickly and make the move "upstairs".

I think the best thing for JJProdigy and ZeeJustin to do is admit that they cheated and apologise.

They were young and made a mistake, which can be forgiven in time and they can eventually re-build a reputation in the poker community when enough grains of sand have passed through the hour glass.

If they continue to try to justify their actions and complain about having their funds confiscated, pursue pointless legal action etc, then they are not going to do themselves any favours in the long run.

 ;iagree;

The longer they claim innocence, the deeper the hole gets.

I posted this in a different thread but got no replies. Can I have your views on it please?

I once entered a tourney on Betfair and William Hill at the same time. After a while I ended up being on the same table as myself. I had no idea that it was the same portal and that it was the same tourney being advertised on both sites. Now what do you expect people to do in this situation? Is it wrong to play under two IDs on two different sites but in the same comp? I haven't played in the same tourney using both accounts since because it kept timing out on me and it was hard work trying to keep both users working at the same time. I'm sure that there are ways around this by using two PCs or some other tricks. Would it be illegal to do this as you are actually signed up to two different companies?

Don't know what would be the legal side, but I suppose, inadvertently, you were cheating. I'd never call you a cheat for it, it's an easy mistake to make.

Looking at what's been done with the 2 being discussed (looking through histories etc) would you be best to contact Hills & Betfair & 'come clean' - citing these cases and wanting it made clear you had not done it deliberately?

I'd hope someone with connections to Betfair/Hills would reassure you on that, is there anyone on Blonde from those sites?

What you did there was technically against the rules. There should be some sort of flag on the Crypto, and other sites, software that lets you know if others on the same ip address have entered the same tournament. Others could easily make the same mistake.

You can be forgiven for not knowing that you were entering the same tournament on different skins. I don't think anyone would insist that your accounts be suspended for this infraction.

Just to let you know. I have not logged into the same comp using two accounts since. It’s not something I’m interested in doing because it goes against my principles and the reasons why I play poker. Also, it was such hard work because the tables kept timing out on me because I think the software must have realised that I was logged in to the same compo and it must have been trying to stop me play. I’m sure there are some ways around this though by using two PCs or something like that.

I’m not going to bother contacting the companies about this because I haven’t done it since and I wont be doing it in the future. I was just wondering what people thought about this because they are coming down hard on the guys that have used two accounts on the same site but then you can enter the same compo from different sites.

You're right. They should change it so that you can't.

I was wondering where this guy was. I hadn't read anything online about him.  There was a link on the Stacked website about him ( When is that game coming out?  If it ever does ). 

http://www.zeejustin.com/journal.php?journal_id=83

If I were Lee Jones, I'd say no too.

If for no other reason than publicly posting his request on a website is a little out of order.

Is he trying to shame Lee Jones into accepting his request? By sasying no, are we to assume that Pokerstars are costing the mentioned charities ,000?

I think not, there's nothing to stop him doing such a well meaning "quest" on another internet site from which he hasn't been banned from cheating.

While his intentions are good, I am concerned they are partly born of a certain impatience to clear his name. It'll take years, not months.

 sounds like justin is trying to get a "get out of jail free card" to me. If i were him id just use another site and go about my business quietly

I would go to another site as well ( He may have done this already for all we know ).  There are loads of sites out there where he could play. Betfair has decent mtt and cash games.  Ladbrokes as well.   JJProdigy should do this as well.  People aren't going to forget what has happened.  They should just move on in my opinion.   Personally, I think they should both be given second chances and forgiven.

He was back on 'stars playing within 48 hours. Crypto's sng's are the worst online, Ladboks are not that better either.

That was before the story broke though, wasn't it?     He couldn't do it now.  It is abit of a shame for him, to be banned from the best site on the internet.   

No he was playing within 48 hours on stars after he was banned.

He just bought a new computer/Laptop, new I.P address and used another account.

ZJ or JJ?

Both.

Can you tell us how you know that? I don't disbelieve you just interested in where you got the info.

I don't know about JJ but ZJ was.

They both were earning 5k-10k+ a week online @ stars and Party. Do you honestly believe that once they got banned, they are just going to say "ah well, we got caught, we are not going to play on stars/party again!" Of course not. They just bought new computers, new I.P's, gave their friends a % for playing under their name/accounts and got cracking.

That is alot of money.  But I think that out of all the top online players  H@££INGGOL must be the highest earner.  On the $2000 max tables on Stars he is always up a few thousand ( even after the re-buy glitch has been fixed ). He plays alot of tables and seems to be ahead on all of them.  I read on P5's that he had a $150,000 week recently.  Most of the online rankings don't show his success.  They focus on other players such as JohhnyBax and ActionJeff.  Still, I wouldn't be bothered about rankings if I was making that kind of money weekly.

Tillerman thinks the best internet cash multi-tablers are able to average $1,000 an hour.

He says in his latest blog entry that he considers the $600/hr that he is running at this year to be decidedly average.

Making $150,000 in a good week I wouldn't think to be uncommon an occurence for these guys.

I spoke with him after my 4 month mission. My total profit for the 120 days was less than he would make in one just above average day!

That is scary money, my mind can't deal with those kind of numbers  :D. 

Do you think that the majority of high limit cash game players are Supernova players?   I was reading about it on pokerstars earlier and was trying to work out the points for high limit cash games.

Crazy numbers.

Did anyone see a player called fast_freddie take Jonny Loden (bad_ip) for 600k on prima the other day? that was pretty sick.

Lodden can afford it, with a bit to spare!

Interesting blog entry by him. Nice flat by the looks of it.  Who says gambling doesn't pay.  :D

whats tillermans blog address?  I keep forgetting it and never bookmark it!

If you're a fan of blogs http://www.bloglines.com is a useful tool.

You can see when people have updated so you don't need to keep checking back.

http://www.tillerman.net/ is the one you asked for.

Cheers Tank.  I'm not particually a fan of them but I like to have a scan at some from time to time to see what's happening to other people in the poker world.

The bloglines doesn't work with http://www.silobass.co.uk though :(

Although it does with most.

lol not much on that ropey old site does work :D  I'm in the process of moving mine.

Nice pad he's just moved into.

It certainly is.

I mentioned in the comments that he could now take up the hobby of cat swinging without too many serious problems.