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Title: Idea re Structures and Deals.. Post by: onespeedo on March 02, 2006, 03:04:43 AM There's been a lot of debate, especially in the last couple of days, regarding the merits of different structures, whether making deals is a good or bad thing, whether casinos should acknowledge deal making, whether casinos should dictate to players re structures and deals when it's the players money, should casinos start to give more back to the players who sustain them etc etc.
If casinos have reservations about reducing their one flagship prize in the main event of a festival, but they do realise that a lot of players want a flatter structure rather than a top heavy structure, why don't they kill more than two birds with one stone with the following idea. Grosvenor, for example, hold numerous festivals in a year. I'm not sure exactly how many, 2 in Walsall, Blackpool, the Vic, Luton, Brighton?? Plus Cardiff now, and some others I am sure - let's say 16 festivals in total. If they adopt the flatter prize structure to appease most players, but then stipulate that if no deals are brokered they will offer the winner of the main event an invitation to a freeroll tournament against all the other Grosvenor festival main event winners. Each entrant then gets a nominal amount for turning up - (£1500 perhaps to ensure the champion can return to defend their trophy) and the winner of that tournament gets an entry to the WSOP main event plus the usual expenses paid. While the promotional outlay is admittedly substantial, it would give more integrity to main events as deals would be unlikely, could potentially be worth millions of dollars to a tournament winner, would be great publicity for the casinos, and would generate a lot of good will between the casino and players as the casino would be seen to be giving something back to the players. It doesn't seem too much more expensive than a normal poker league prize anyway, and could be split between all the participating casinos. Also, festivals wouldn't take place at all if they didn't make money for the host casino. Tag the freeroll event on to a festival, let's say on the Sunday before a festival starts and it should fit in quite easily with casino and player schedules. Plenty of other small items to iron out but nothing too difficult. What do you think? Title: Re: Idea re Structures and Deals.. Post by: ifm on March 02, 2006, 03:22:40 AM Deals could still be done during a break, we want to know who does deals not drive them underground.
Deals affect ranking points if something were done to prevent them they would still happen on the sly. Title: Re: Idea re Structures and Deals.. Post by: I KNOW IT on March 02, 2006, 04:09:33 AM I like the idea of flatter payouts, but to be honest 90% of people who if they were in the situation to take around £40 k will always deal regardless what they say on forums.
Deals are not a bad thing if they are above board , but being handed a trophy and not playing for it is ludricous. You may as well go to a sports shop and buy one Title: Re: Idea re Structures and Deals.. Post by: Gamblor21 on March 02, 2006, 10:07:41 AM but being handed a trophy and not playing for it is ludricous. You may as well go to a sports shop and buy one You done that aswell like me craig... I am a Champion at most things now! Title: Re: Idea re Structures and Deals.. Post by: Colchester Kev on March 02, 2006, 10:13:54 AM I agree re the trophy issue ... all the promo blurb (and even on the home page here) says Ned flanders wins the walsall main event .. HE DIDNT !!! It was a 3 way tie.. Quite ridiculous. At least leave a decent amount in the middle and play on for the trophy ffs. To just give the trophy as part of the deal makes it worthless, how can he look at that trophy on his mantlepiece and feel proud ...he didnt win it, he was given it as part of a deal .... GARBAGE !!!
Title: Re: Idea re Structures and Deals.. Post by: Karabiner on March 02, 2006, 10:40:04 AM At least Tim Flanders got the £70k cheque in his hand and didn't have to depend on a stranger's integrity for his share.
And I can't help feeling sorry for the poor bugger who played from 6pm until 3.30am on Saturday, then from 3pm until 11pm on Sunday. Taking home 10th place money of £1500, a loss of £25 !!! Until that sort of thing gets sorted out, deals will abound. Title: Re: Idea re Structures and Deals.. Post by: ifm on March 02, 2006, 12:24:57 PM Actually that's a scary point Ralph, wouldn't the money have to be in cash in order to chop it up?
I wouldn't like to walk out of a casino with £40k + in cash especially as everyone in there knows i have it!! Title: Re: Idea re Structures and Deals.. Post by: AlrightJack on March 03, 2006, 12:18:03 AM There's been a lot of debate, especially in the last couple of days, regarding the merits of different structures, whether making deals is a good or bad thing, whether casinos should acknowledge deal making, whether casinos should dictate to players re structures and deals when it's the players money, should casinos start to give more back to the players who sustain them etc etc. If casinos have reservations about reducing their one flagship prize in the main event of a festival, but they do realise that a lot of players want a flatter structure rather than a top heavy structure, why don't they kill more than two birds with one stone with the following idea. Grosvenor, for example, hold numerous festivals in a year. I'm not sure exactly how many, 2 in Walsall, Blackpool, the Vic, Luton, Brighton?? Plus Cardiff now, and some others I am sure - let's say 16 festivals in total. If they adopt the flatter prize structure to appease most players, but then stipulate that if no deals are brokered they will offer the winner of the main event an invitation to a freeroll tournament against all the other Grosvenor festival main event winners. Each entrant then gets a nominal amount for turning up - (£1500 perhaps to ensure the champion can return to defend their trophy) and the winner of that tournament gets an entry to the WSOP main event plus the usual expenses paid. While the promotional outlay is admittedly substantial, it would give more integrity to main events as deals would be unlikely, could potentially be worth millions of dollars to a tournament winner, would be great publicity for the casinos, and would generate a lot of good will between the casino and players as the casino would be seen to be giving something back to the players. It doesn't seem too much more expensive than a normal poker league prize anyway, and could be split between all the participating casinos. Also, festivals wouldn't take place at all if they didn't make money for the host casino. Tag the freeroll event on to a festival, let's say on the Sunday before a festival starts and it should fit in quite easily with casino and player schedules. Plenty of other small items to iron out but nothing too difficult. What do you think? Funnily enough, something similar to this has been proposed and is being considered at the moment... Title: Re: Idea re Structures and Deals.. Post by: way_too_tight on March 03, 2006, 12:59:43 AM I agree re the trophy issue ... all the promo blurb (and even on the home page here) says Ned flanders wins the walsall main event .. HE DIDNT !!! It was a 3 way tie.. Quite ridiculous. At least leave a decent amount in the middle and play on for the trophy ffs. To just give the trophy as part of the deal makes it worthless, how can he look at that trophy on his mantlepiece and feel proud ...he didnt win it, he was given it as part of a deal .... GARBAGE !!! Maybe he doesn't care about the trophy and just wants to lock-up the money ? The people running the comp and the press probably want someone to get it - for promotional purposes. The player may not give a monkeys, since he's just won a decent years salary in considerably less than a year. Title: Re: Idea re Structures and Deals.. Post by: Colchester Kev on March 03, 2006, 01:03:07 AM No, they did a 3 way even split, so he wasnt locking up any extra money.
Title: Re: Idea re Structures and Deals.. Post by: onespeedo on March 03, 2006, 01:28:37 AM There's been a lot of debate, especially in the last couple of days, regarding the merits of different structures, whether making deals is a good or bad thing, whether casinos should acknowledge deal making, whether casinos should dictate to players re structures and deals when it's the players money, should casinos start to give more back to the players who sustain them etc etc. If casinos have reservations about reducing their one flagship prize in the main event of a festival, but they do realise that a lot of players want a flatter structure rather than a top heavy structure, why don't they kill more than two birds with one stone with the following idea. Grosvenor, for example, hold numerous festivals in a year. I'm not sure exactly how many, 2 in Walsall, Blackpool, the Vic, Luton, Brighton?? Plus Cardiff now, and some others I am sure - let's say 16 festivals in total. If they adopt the flatter prize structure to appease most players, but then stipulate that if no deals are brokered they will offer the winner of the main event an invitation to a freeroll tournament against all the other Grosvenor festival main event winners. Each entrant then gets a nominal amount for turning up - (£1500 perhaps to ensure the champion can return to defend their trophy) and the winner of that tournament gets an entry to the WSOP main event plus the usual expenses paid. While the promotional outlay is admittedly substantial, it would give more integrity to main events as deals would be unlikely, could potentially be worth millions of dollars to a tournament winner, would be great publicity for the casinos, and would generate a lot of good will between the casino and players as the casino would be seen to be giving something back to the players. It doesn't seem too much more expensive than a normal poker league prize anyway, and could be split between all the participating casinos. Also, festivals wouldn't take place at all if they didn't make money for the host casino. Tag the freeroll event on to a festival, let's say on the Sunday before a festival starts and it should fit in quite easily with casino and player schedules. Plenty of other small items to iron out but nothing too difficult. What do you think? Funnily enough, something similar to this has been proposed and is being considered at the moment... Really? Bloody hell. I never have any original ideas... Is it Grosvenor that's considering it? Title: Re: Idea re Structures and Deals.. Post by: I KNOW IT on March 03, 2006, 03:01:10 AM I agree re the trophy issue ... all the promo blurb (and even on the home page here) says Ned flanders wins the walsall main event .. HE DIDNT !!! It was a 3 way tie.. Quite ridiculous. At least leave a decent amount in the middle and play on for the trophy ffs. To just give the trophy as part of the deal makes it worthless, how can he look at that trophy on his mantlepiece and feel proud ...he didnt win it, he was given it as part of a deal .... GARBAGE !!! Maybe he doesn't care about the trophy and just wants to lock-up the money ? The people running the comp and the press probably want someone to get it - for promotional purposes. The player may not give a monkeys, since he's just won a decent years salary in considerably less than a year. Don was chip leader at that point but preferred the £££ than a fake winners trophy. Dont say I blame him. |