Title: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: thelodger on March 02, 2006, 02:40:05 PM Shamelessly nicked from laddies forum, but too good for you lot to miss.
http://home.ripway.com/2005-3/274804/RIGGED.pdf Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: matt674 on March 02, 2006, 02:45:28 PM If there were anything to read then i may enjoy it
??? Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: thetank on March 02, 2006, 02:46:48 PM We'll have a wee look tomorrow.
It says they've exceeded their daily bandwith total (whatever that means) Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: thelodger on March 02, 2006, 02:47:28 PM arrg, I will find out if I can retreve it or if someone has saves it
Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: Sark79 on March 02, 2006, 03:46:20 PM I have it. Looks interesting, I will read it later. Right now I have 2 dogs who need a walk.
Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: Graham C on March 02, 2006, 04:49:10 PM if it's worth a read and anyone wants to email it to me ;)
Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: Sark79 on March 02, 2006, 05:19:12 PM I tried to send it Graham, I don't know how to do it. I normally copy and paste things, but this will not allow me to do it. If I figure it out, I will send it to you mate.
Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: Graham C on March 02, 2006, 05:53:00 PM TY Sark :)
Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: Sark79 on March 02, 2006, 10:11:19 PM Sorry Graham, I can't work it out. Too technical for my weak computer brain.
Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: Graham C on March 02, 2006, 11:35:39 PM ah well np, I'll try and see it tomorrow before the bandwidth goes
Cheers for trying is it worth the read? Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: Sark79 on March 02, 2006, 11:47:14 PM I have read most of this. I am not convinced. Maybey I am too trusting, but I can't see a site like pokerstars( or any of the big sites) cheating anyone on purpose. They would be finnished if they did. At times they may get a payment wrong, but from experience a quick email resolves this straight away. It is a quality site.
I have played at a few diiferent sites before settling on pokerstars. Even though I wasn't all that keen on any of them other than pokerstars, I really never felt and can't imagine they would cheat me. But if this guy thinks there is cheating going on and he has evidence. Then I would like to see it ( concrete evidence - slips, documents, emails, ect). I am sure a site like pokerstars wouldn't be involved in illegall activity though..... Do you think they will sponsor me if I keep saying nice things?.. :D Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: thetank on March 02, 2006, 11:56:29 PM Do you think they will sponsor me if I keep saying nice things?.. :D No, but you might get a baseball cap from the lovely, fresh smelling, Pokerstars (I'm angling for a jumper) Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: thelodger on March 03, 2006, 03:47:48 PM quick read it while you can
Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: thelodger on March 03, 2006, 03:54:17 PM we will be naughty and copy and paste the lot to here.
Grab a chair, get a cuppa and some digestives and enjoy!! :D :D RIGGED! The Real E-Story of How The People Who Make Billions Running Internet Poker Really Are Out To Get You and How You Can Fight Back and Win by Dave F. Beatty (davefbeatty@hotmail.com) copyright 2005, Dave F. Beatty, all rights reserved TABLE OF CONTENTS Introduction One ... Who Dun It? The Rigging Of Internet Poker Two ... Why They Do It Three ... How They Do It Four ... How To Beat The Rigging - Your Guide To Profiting From The Internet Poker Boom Five ... How To Handle Non-Believers INTRODUCTION Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- John 8:32 You have heard of internet poker. Even chimpanzees screwing in the rainforests of central Africa are aware of internet poker by now. If you are reading this, you almost certainly have already tried internet poker and may be well on your way to being a sad addict. You know the game and think you know how to play. You are wrong. The truth is that you really don't. Notwithstanding that you probably understand the rules of the game, are familiar with how a poker game is run and may even comprehend how the house gets paid , you really don't know the whole story. The internet has turned the poker game you know and play totally upside down. Internet poker is rigged. RIGGED. In order to defend yourself, you need to know the truth. You need to know who's doing it and how you it works. If you don't, you have nobody to blame but yourself when the system sucks up your entire bankroll and leaves you crying in your beer. Get smart. Get educated. Maybe even get rich in the process. This e-book focuses exclusively on hold'em, as it is by far the most popular form of internet poker. It assumes that you have a general understanding of poker, and that you have some general familiarity with the internet game and the largest poker sites. ONE Who Dun It? The Rigging of Internet Poker Men are so simple and yield so readily to the desires of the moment that he who will trick will always find another who will suffer to be tricked. -- Niccolo Machiavelli Of mankind we may say in general they are fickle, hypocritical, and greedy of gain. -- Niccolo Machiavelli There you are. Innocently playing a game of online no limit hold'em. You're dealt what you believe to be a monster hand. You have two aces (denoted here as AA)! What do you do? Why, raise, of course! That's what you're supposed to do, according to the book. Some poor sucker calls you! And another! Wow! This is your chance to triple the size of your stack! Here's the flop. AK2 of different suits. Sweet! Bet it out! Even better, both players come along for the ride. Turn is a 2. Awesome! Top full house! You bet and some poor sucker raises! And the other joker comes along once again. It doesn't get any better than this. You smooth call, planning to break both remaining players on the river. The river is another King. Okay. Nut full house. Heaven help those villains if they have an ace, a king or a deuce. You bet, they raise, everybody gets all in. And you have the worst hand of the three as your opponents show KK and 22. You rebuy and scream in frustration. Should you be angry when this happens? Hell yes. The odds against one opponent having a better hand than you in this situation are large. The odds of two people having better hands are astronomical. The possibility of having two players stay in and both improve to quads is incredibly slim. And yet it happens all the time in internet poker. Why? Because it's rigged. Think about your own play. Haven't you seen more bizarre suckouts online than you have in a lifetime of home games and casino play? Where else have you seen people betting confidently with no pair and no draw only to go runner-runner to beat your solid flopped hand? Our analysis of dozens of hands clearly proves that this type of action happens online far more often than it should. That's right, proof that internet poker is rigged. The largest internet poker room, Party Poker, is believed to hold 55% of the online poker market and supposedly earned a profit of about $350,000,000 last year. Other poker sites, including Poker Stars, Prima Poker and Ultimate Bet rake in millions more. These companies are, by and large, privately held and reluctant to release much in the way of financial information. It is safe to say that no business that successful operates alone. Even a mom and pop backroom game is dependant on others to survive and thrive. In the case of the world of online gaming, there is an entire web of supporting entities: No online company could survive without relentless marketing and the muscle provided by the enforcement arm. The dirty secret, however, of the world wide poker web is its capitive IT arm. Without the legions of sworn IT agents, the system is vulnerable to hacks, cheats and crackers. These same IT whiz kids also happen to play offense. Someone has to write the code that maximizes the company's profits. So who is it exactly that's responsible for the rigging of internet poker? The reality is that it's all of these people. So far, they've been remarkably adept at maintaining an industrywide code of silence, an omerta of sorts. It's time to bring these people out into the light of day. TWO Why They Do It Entrepreneurs are simply those who understand that there is little difference between obstacle and opportunity and are able to turn both to their advantage. -- Niccolo Machiavelli One who deceives will always find those who allow themselves to be deceived. -- Niccolo Machiavelli Internet gambling is the purest form of capitalism left on earth. With many willing customers and few laws or regulations, running an online gambling site offers better profit potential than anything this side of cocaine trafficking, with a markedly lower risk of death. And yet pure profit potential is rarely enough. The rich never have enough money -- that's why they are constantly trying to rewrite the tax laws to their benefit. That's why you find CEOs who've made hundreds of millions indicted for skimming millions more from the company till. Machiavelli once noted that power corrrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Well, a similar thing is true with wealth. Wealth corrupts, and the ability to achieve astounding wealth results in astounding levels of corruption. People are greedy. It's one of the laws of nature, hardwired into our DNA through centuries of deprivation. In other words, “duh”. You'd do it if you had the opportunity too. THREE How They Do It And if, to be sure, sometimes you need to conceal a fact with words, do it in such a way that it does not become known, or, if it does become known, that you have a ready and quick defense -- Niccolo Machiavelli As any internet or casino poker player knows, the house makes money on a game by taking a “rake” -- a percentage of each pot. Most rakes are quite steep in percentage terms – typically ten (10%) percent, but are capped at a certain dollar amount based on the limits of the game being played. In order for an internet poker room to maximize profits, it needs to maximize two things: The number of raked hands, and the amount of rake taken per hand. In order to maximize raked hands, the poker rooms may employ prop players or shills to boost the number of games played. These players are paid or employed by the house and serve to juice the rake. Poker sites also frequently offer deposit bonuses – free money to players who deposit funds into the site. The catch is that the player has to play a certain number of hands. To maximize the rake per hand, a poker website needs to be sure that the pot reaches a certain size. The best ways to do that, theoretically, would be to manipulate the “shuffling algorithm” to deal players non-random cards. Ideally there would be enough “premium” hands to cause sufficient betting and raising to cap the rake. An alternative is to put out “action flops”, combinations of cards that encourage one or more players to stay in the hand and bet/raise/call. How hard do you really think it is to manipulate things in this manner? It doesn't require rocket science or a Cray Y-MP supercomputer. You could do it on the computing power contained in a cell phone. All the major sites say that their shuffling algorithms are audited by major accounting firms. You know what? So was Enron. Let's say you've survived the props, cleared your bonus and managed to stay on the good side of the deck manipulations. The last thing an internet poker site wants to do is to see you withdraw your money. To prevent you from doing that, most sites will hold your money for a period of hours, days or even weeks. They pick up some extra interest income, and you're left cashless. To add insult to injury, there is more than just anecdotal evidence that many systems impose an effective cashout penalty – if and when you redeposit, you receive inferior cards and your play is disadvantaged to essentialy punish the withdrawing party. Our detailed analysis of a number of hands shows a clear propensity toward statistically unsound card patterns, leading to a conclusion that there is indeed evidence of rigging. FOUR How To Beat The Rigging - Your Guide To Profiting From The Internet Poker Boom It is double pleasure to deceive the deceiver. -- Niccolo Machiavelli So now that we've covered the who, why and how, let's talk about how to flip the script. You want to beat the system? You can, if you know how. For starters, the best way to beat the rigged online poker system is not to play at all. If you don't play, they can't take your money. If you insist on playing, the surest way to win is to go against the tide. Be contrarian. Your opponents will not expect the unexpected. Or the unexpectable. Play smart, play huge pots, play to win. The Top Ten Hands in Poker and Basic Winning Theory A popular poker book by a well-known WSOP champion suggests that beginners play only those hands that he identifies as the "Top Ten" hands in Hold'em. That player's list consists of 8 paired hands -- AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 99, 88 and 77 -- and two unpaired hands, AK and AQ. What rubbish. The ten best hands in poker are the ten your opponents are least likely to put you on. You want a hand that will come as a total surprise, and which you can kneecap your opponents with when it hits. They're playing AA and think top set is good. If they're playing against typical players, it might well be. But on a board of A29J5 rainbow, that hand is total garbage against you IF you're the one holding one of the real top ten hands in hold'em: 4-3. If you're tricky, they might even cap it all the way down. You'll rake a monster pot, and inevitably put your opponent on massive tilt. The Real Top 10 Hands in Internet Hold'em are as follows, in order: 1. 7-2 2. 3-2 3. 4-3 4. 5-4 5. 6-5 6. J-7 7. 4-2 8. 5-3 9. 6-4 10. J-4 For an explanation of why these are truly the best hands in hold'em, let's get theoretical. The Theory of Live Cards In order to break your opponent, you need to have better cards. It is well established that a pair beats a high card and that two pair beats a pair. To maximize your chances of getting a pair or two, you want “live cards” -- cards your opponent is not likely to be holding. It is for this reason that lower cards, connected but not paired, are strong starting hands. If you hold 3-2 and the flop comes 7-3-2, you can break the will of your opponent holding AA by betting, raising and reraising with a great deal of confidence that you are way ahead in the hand. The math geniuses who publish books on traditional poker theory will tell you that this is the exact opposite of what their math tells them to do. You know what? It is. But math isn't always right, in part because internet poker isn't random. The bottom line is you want to lose small pots but win huge ones, and the optimal way to do that is to NOT play what everybody else is playing, the mathematically correct stuff. The necessary corollary to this theory is that you have to play a lot of hands. If the cards placed on the flop are more or less random – and you know with online poker being rigged, they aren't necessarily random – you want to see if it's likely that you're ahead or behind, and the only way to do that is to see the flop if it's not too expensive to do so. Implied Tilt Odds Playing the real top ten hands in poker has an additional benefit – they carry high implied odds of tilting your opponent, especially devotees of math-based systems such as those advanced by Two Plus Two Publishing and most poker pros. You want to drive your opponents crazy. You may succeed in getting them to overplay hands such as K-2 and A-9. They may bet into you when they just know you've flopped a wheel. Getting your opponents mad, angry and just plain pissed off is a key element of solid internet poker play. Playing for The Straight or The Flush An additional benefit of the system described above is that it offers improved odds of drawing to a more powerful hand – a straight or a flush – compared to the holders of pairs or AK. For this reason, you'll find that many hands – including 43 and even KQ are stronger than high pocket pairs such as AA. There is a small benefit to the cards being sooted, but the odds of hitting a flush are small enough that you should play connectors even without them being sooted. What Not to Play In general, you should be very cautious in playing cards with more than a sixcard gap between them and most pairs. It's acceptable to limp in with any pair, hoping to hit three of a kind or a strong draw, but be very careful with these trouble hands. Pre-Flop Raising A lot of the treatises on poker recommend raising before the flop with strong hands. This is nonsense. Raising before the flop rarely does anything other than advertise that you have a monster. Unless you are in an extremely passive game where you can make most if not all opponents fold with a preflop raise, you should never raise. Save your ammo for when you're confident you're ahead. Watching For Patterns The holy grail of internet poker tools is a pattern mapper – a utility that tracks and analyzes the pattern of cards dealt on your poker site of choice. This product is not yet commercially available to the best of my knowledge, so you're reduced to doing a loose track of what cards are hitting the flop on a regular basis. If low cards keep coming, this is a sign that you may want to play more aggressively. Think of it as the poker equivalent of counting cards in blackjack – when the odds of hitting your kind of cards improve, you want to be in there swinging. Advanced Play: THE HAMMER The most powerful hand in internet poker is 7-2 unsuited, known as “the Hammer”. Although it is mathematically the worst starting hand possible, as it is a low four-gapper, the implied tilt odds of winning a pot with the Hammer are through the roof. For that reason alone it is worth always seeing a flop. If you catch any piece – a pair, a draw, something, play the Hammer aggresively and be sure to show it if your opponents fold. Remember, to be a winning internet poker player, you need to take advantage of every edge possible. Tilt is your friend. Our careful statistical analysis has shown that cards favorable to improving the Hammer hit the flop/turn/river more often than they should, so there is also evidence that the inherent rigging of most sites favors this powerful hand. Additional Resources for the Advanced Player If you play regularly on most sites, you will frequently see observers pop in to offer tips in the chat box. Some of these people are selling something, other are just there to try and piss you off. Every once in a while someone has a product that's worth checking out. I don't endorse it, because I haven't read it, but a product called “Party Poker Cracked” has caught my interest. Keep an open mind and you might find all of the secrets of winning online play. FIVE Handling Non-Believers Inevitably, you will run into people who do not believe that internet poker is rigged. They're just wrong, typically because they are uninformed. People do all kinds of dumb things because of incomplete information. Think about it. The pool of ignoramuses is divided into two groups -- those who can be lead to the truth, and those whose mind cannot be changed by anything short of a bolt of lightning from the blue. The key thing to do, and this will help you in all aspects of life, is to determine which of these groups anyone who disagrees with you is in. Anyone in the latter group should just be ignored. You're probably not a deity with control over the elements, so don't knock yourself out trying to conjure up a thunderstorm. As for the former group, reason with them. Give them information. Help them change their mind. Feel free to pass them a copy of this e-book, at least as long as you're not sitting at the same poker table. You don't want them beating you with your strategy, do you? The TRUTH is out there. Don't let the haters tell you otherwise. Good luck, and hit those tables hard. The contents of this ebook represent the opinions, more or less, of the author. No endorsement of any product or company is express or implied. By reading the content of this ebook the user is releasing the author for any responsibility whatsoever, and the user assumes all risk from the use of this information. This ebook may or may not be serious. Peace out. Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: Bongo on March 03, 2006, 03:57:59 PM My favourite bit (so far) is the diagram of all the entities responsible for rigging online poker.
At one end we have: "The forces of Darkness, The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, People who slowplay AA" and at the other "France" :D Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: thetank on March 03, 2006, 04:01:18 PM I hope whoever wrote this was having a laff.
My favourite bit was the diagram too. Skull and bones freemasons, France, Gay poker blogs. They're all conspiring agaist us. But then I saw the real top ten list of internet poker hands. Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: thetank on March 03, 2006, 04:02:29 PM It must be a joke.
When they talk about their analysis of literally dozens of hands. rotflmfao rotflmfao Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: Nem on March 03, 2006, 04:03:23 PM Zzz... Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: thelodger on March 03, 2006, 04:12:09 PM What amazes me is people buy this crap off ebay, with the promise to make you a internet poker millionaire in less than 7 days :D 8)
Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: Longy on March 03, 2006, 04:50:20 PM This is a complete wind up and is quite funny. As tank says we have analysed literally dozen of hands :D.
Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: Sark79 on March 03, 2006, 05:19:03 PM What amazes me is people buy this crap off ebay, with the promise to make you a internet poker millionaire in less than 7 days :D 8) Really, people buy this? Why? Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: redsimon on March 03, 2006, 05:29:34 PM It must be fake, he's missed 74 off suit from the top ten hands :D
Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: thelodger on March 03, 2006, 06:14:10 PM Quote Really, people buy this? Why? Because the author promises that it contains information that will enable the buyer to win at Internet poker, you will be surprised how many gullible people they are out there. Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: Norwich Fan on March 03, 2006, 06:34:35 PM lol thats brilliantly written, the mind of several complete fish actual think some of this stuff is true, which is the scary thing..........
Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: fergus8 on March 04, 2006, 06:19:31 AM the hammer and its implied odds through opponents tilt.
thats genius, reminds me of the tv show brass eye, remember the one with the new drug called "cake" and they got a bunch of f- list celebs to campaign against it. Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: onenote on March 04, 2006, 08:21:52 AM WHAT A LOAD OF B%$x^** 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: crich_paul39 on March 04, 2006, 10:53:01 AM Thanks for the article but I think its total B**LL**KS myself. Title: Re: If your serious about on-line poker...Read this Post by: jbsc7769 on March 04, 2006, 06:05:45 PM never read so much nonsense in my life, lol
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